Liverpool Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread Summer 2014 - Mod Warning post #6893

Vinz Mesrine · 22-05-2014 10:55AM

mike65 wrote: »

Liverpool have never shown any stated, implied or leaked interest in Kroos the only connection has been by hacks using his wage dispute as the angle, so he is an irrelevance on this thread until he signs for another Prem club.

Tis just a discussion Mike. We are going to get rode for Lallana while United steal Kroos at a bargain price.

mike65 · 22-05-2014 10:56AM

Knex. wrote: »

Jaysus Mike. Use that logic and nobody would ever be able to talk about anyone.

Exactly!

Except no, we should consider only those who are actually connected with Liverpool, if people want to talk about players linked with other clubs then the Utd thread welcomes all (I hear).

Its like the child moaning to his brother that Johnny next door is getting a Skateboard for Christmas while not knowing yet that he is getting a 20 speed racer!

Lets see if we are getting a nice shiny bike.

klose · 22-05-2014 10:56AM

Knex. wrote: »

Kroos for 20m is outstanding value, I gotta say.

He's not really solving United's problem's massively though. They have too many CAM's and not enough wingers, central/defensive midfielders.

You can't say no to Kroos at that value though, so I can see why they'd be in for him. Similar to Arsenal getting Ozil last season even though needs were elsewhere.

I refuse to believe he will go for that cheap tbh, no reputable outlets are reporting it as of yet but if they do get him for that fair fcuking play, coup of the century stuff. He dosent really play as an attacking midfielder lately from what ive seen either, if they signed him and a quality dm with mata in front of them they would have probably the best midfield in the league

Kroos would be the ideal replacement for gerrard really, couldn't think of a better player that fits the bill, would love for is to be in for him.

glued · 22-05-2014 10:56AM

Knex. wrote: »

Kroos for 20m is outstanding value, I gotta say.

He's not really solving United's problem's massively though. They have too many CAM's and not enough wingers, central/defensive midfielders.

You can't say no to Kroos at that value though, so I can see why they'd be in for him. Similar to Arsenal getting Ozil last season even though needs were elsewhere.

Kroos is a central midfielder and that's where he's played for Bayern this year. He played as an attacking midfielder at the start of his career but he seems more settled as a central midfielder.

I don't think Bayern will let him walk. It would be stupid of them not too. There are reports in Germany suggesting that they will let him walk for 25 Million Euros but you have to imagine that if he's available you're going to at least have Barcelona to deal with who are looking to sign a central midfielder considering the form of Fabregas this season along with the decline of Xavi.

Considering we have no Champions League football and no immediate title credentials I'd say the chances of him ending up at Old Trafford are very slim. The only thing that may attract him is that apparently we're willing to offer him the most money and maybe he wants to play under van Gaal again. Other than that I don't really see him coming here tbh.

Vinz Mesrine · 22-05-2014 10:58AM

mike65 wrote: »

Exactly! Except no, we should consider only those who are actually connected with Liverpool, if people want to talk about players linked with other clubs then the Utd thread welcomes all (I hear).

Its like the child moaning to his brother that Johnny next door is getting a Skateboard for Christmas while not knowing yet that he is getting a 20 speed racer!

Lets see if we are getting a nice shiny bike.

It won't be nicer or shinier than Johnnys though. It'll be an overpriced one because of where it was built who over time will never compare to Johnnys.

Knex* · 22-05-2014 10:58AM

Vinz Mesrine wrote: »

Tis just a discussion Mike. We are going to get rode for Lallana while United steal Kroos at a bargain price.

Certainly would make you raise an eyebrow at the price, in fairness.

I know we have CL football, and for the first time in years United do not. But are we a more attractive prospect to players this summer? Can we match them financially? Who would you trust, long term, to have you challenging for trophies as a player?

I can't say I'm entirely convinced Liverpool win in any of those questions. Certainly it'll be interesting to see how things have shaped up come next September.

Knex* · 22-05-2014 11:02AM

glued wrote: »

Kroos is a central midfielder and that's where he's played for Bayern this year. He played as an attacking midfielder at the start of his career but he seems more settled as a central midfielder.

I don't think Bayern will let him walk. It would be stupid of them not too. There are reports in Germany suggesting that they will let him walk for 25 Million Euros but you have to imagine that if he's available you're going to at least have Barcelona to deal with who are looking to sign a central midfielder considering the form of Fabregas this season along with the decline of Xavi.

Considering we have no Champions League football and no immediate title credentials I'd say the chances of him ending up at Old Trafford are very slim. The only thing that may attract him is that apparently we're willing to offer him the most money and maybe he wants to play under van Gaal again. Other than that I don't really see him coming here tbh.

Kroos has been predominantly playing CAM aside from half of his second season back with Bayern when Heynckes took over. Haven't watched as much of them this season as I did in the past, but in the games I did see, he was still fairly advanced, with Schweinsteiger, Lahm or Martinez behind him.

You still need a Carrick (although realistically he's gonna need replacing soon), behind him even if United do sign him. He's better as a CAM though, or a more advanced central midfielder anyway, in my eyes.

Can't argue with your other points, though.

glued · 22-05-2014 11:09AM

Knex. wrote: »

Certainly would make you raise an eyebrow at the price, in fairness.

I know we have CL football, and for the first time in years United do not. But are we a more attractive prospect to players this summer? Can we match them financially? Who would you trust, long term, to have you challenging for trophies as a player?

I can't say I'm entirely convinced Liverpool win in any of those questions. Certainly it'll be interesting to see how things have shaped up come next September.

I'm not sure if Liverpool would be in the same stature as Chelsea or Man City as attracting players. You haven't shown the financial muscle in the last couple of years to compete for players at the top end of the scale.

I think what will attract players to Liverpool is the style of football that you play. Rodgers has gotten the best out of Sturridge and Coutinho looks to be slowly filling in some of his early promise under Rodgers too. If I was a winger, striker or central midfielder I'd want to play with Suarez. The amount of space he creates for Liverpool by just being on the field is incredible. Defensively I'd still have huge questions but anybody looking in can tell that Rodgers is building a project there and he seems to be a few years a head of schedule. With the right additions you could certainly be up there again but it will come down to will Liverpool go after the bigger names or stick to their current formula that has been a success buying players who haven't filled their potential (Sturridge, Coutinho, even Sakho to a degree).

slingerz · 22-05-2014 11:13AM

Kroos wants over €230K a week! Feels he should be paid on par with Goetze!

whatawaster · 22-05-2014 11:19AM

slingerz wrote: »

Kroos wants over €230K a week! Feels he should be paid on par with Goetze!

And he's right

whatawaster · 22-05-2014 11:30AM

Looks like Vorm for £5m could be on the cards.

Would be as good a backup keeper as we could hope for

Agueroooo · 22-05-2014 11:31AM

whatawaster wrote: »

Looks like Vorm for £5m could be on the cards.

Would be as good a backup keeper as we could hope for

I really like Vorm and perfect for backup, and if he gets a sniff will keep Mignolet on his toes.

K-9 · 22-05-2014 11:35AM

djPSB wrote: »

There's a reason for that.

Maybe.

slingerz wrote: »

Kroos wants over €230K a week! Feels he should be paid on par with Goetze!

And this folks is why we haven't a hope of getting him. Suarez isn't even on that IIRC. We just aren't going to be able to compete with United for players like Kroos and it's pointless expecting us to be.

Having said that, I'd expect us to get a "marquee" type signing with CL football, Lallana doesn't fit that, Pedro would, but again finances will still be a restricting factor for us. All clubs are under the new FA wage restrictions so that should help us, other clubs can't go and sign 5/6 players on a Million a week without selling.

K-9 · 22-05-2014 11:36AM

whatawaster wrote: »

Looks like Vorm for £5m could be on the cards.

Would be as good a backup keeper as we could hope for

Would be excellent business.

Chucky the tree · 22-05-2014 11:37AM

£5m for a back-up keeper? ffs.

glued · 22-05-2014 11:39AM

klose wrote: »

I refuse to believe he will go for that cheap tbh, no reputable outlets are reporting it as of yet but if they do get him for that fair fcuking play, coup of the century stuff. He dosent really play as an attacking midfielder lately from what ive seen either, if they signed him and a quality dm with mata in front of them they would have probably the best midfield in the league

Kroos would be the ideal replacement for gerrard really, couldn't think of a better player that fits the bill, would love for is to be in for him.

I think William Carvalho would be a huge fit into Rodgers' system. It looks as if he's going to Monaco but he would be a fantastic buy for any team but he would be super in that Liverpool set up.

Also Kroos is being talked about for €25M because he's into the last year of his deal on June 1st. Bayern aren't offering him better terms and there was rumours that he didn't fit in at Bayern and he was reported to be leaking Pep's team selections to the media in Germany. It seems as if there is certainly a possibility that he'll move but I'd say he'll want massive wages and Barcelona are surely going to sign a central midfielder this Summer.

whatawaster · 22-05-2014 11:40AM

Chucky the tree wrote: »

£5m for a back-up keeper? ffs.

You won't be saying that if Mignolet does his cruciate in September.

Devilman40k · 22-05-2014 11:41AM

Chucky the tree wrote: »

£5m for a back-up keeper? ffs.

A back up keeper who can push Mignolet.

Chucky the tree · 22-05-2014 11:43AM

whatawaster wrote: »

You won't be saying that if Mignolet does his cruciate in September.

But I will be saying it if he stays fit for the whole season. Considering we've consistently shown reluctance to stump up an extra couple of million to get transfers done it just sums pretty stupid to hand over £5m for a back-up keeper.

skywalker · 22-05-2014 11:44AM

K-9 wrote: »

Maybe.

And this folks is why we haven't a hope of getting him. Suarez isn't even on that IIRC. We just aren't going to be able to compete with United for players like Kroos and it's pointless expecting us to be.

Having said that, I'd expect us to get a "marquee" type signing with CL football, Lallana doesn't fit that, Pedro would, but again finances will still be a restricting factor for us. All clubs are under the new FA wage restrictions so that should help us, other clubs can't go and sign 5/6 players on a Million a week without selling.

Suarez is on £200K GPB as of this summer.

€230K would equate to about £185K. Not that Im disagreeing with you about us not having any interest in giving those wages to a new signing. I think stightly below this in the £100K- £120K is the top were going to be paying out in wages this summer. & id say that is only for "the right player".

Were still going to be somewhat cautious this summer, & maybe next too. Until were established back at the top table. I would agree we will get 1 marqueee signing this summer which will fit into the bracket above.

Dont be at yourself · 22-05-2014 11:44AM

Who's to say Vorm will be backup?

Morzadec · 22-05-2014 11:44AM

Chucky the tree wrote: »

£5m for a back-up keeper? ffs.

Meh, no great problem with that. A lot of games next year, and competition as well as cover is important.

Goalkeeper's can get mentally drained do and go through bad patches.

Vorm is a slightly different style goalkeeper, he's still relatively young for a goalkeeper (30).

In today's market I think that's a shrewd and neccessary piece of business

Chucky the tree · 22-05-2014 11:44AM

Why not just keep Reina if we want to push Mignolet?

Chucky the tree · 22-05-2014 11:45AM

Dont be at yourself wrote: »

Who's to say Vorm will be backup?

Because he's not as good as Mingolet.

whatawaster · 22-05-2014 11:47AM

Chucky the tree wrote: »

But I will be saying it if he stays fit for the whole season. Considering we've consistently shown reluctance to stump up an extra couple of million to get transfers done it just sums pretty stupid to hand over £5m for a back-up keeper.

So what should we do?

1) Do we stick with Brad Jones?

2) Go with a has-been like Shay Given (as we nearly did last summer) on a free?

3) Go for a young keeper like McCarthy at Reading?

4) Go for an experienced goalkeeper on not-too-high wages who will come here as a No. 2, could be relied upon to fill in for an extended period where necessary and might even push Mignolet for his place

Only options 1 and 2 will be inexpensive

Options 3 and 4 will be costlier, but it's like an insurance policy. Hopefully the keeper will only have to play cup games, but you'd never know how much we might need him.

Dont be at yourself · 22-05-2014 11:47AM

Chucky the tree wrote: »

Because he's not as good as Mingolet.

Wouldn't say it's that clear cut tbh. Mignolet has had his ups and downs last season, and Vorm was arguably the best keeper in the league under Rodgers.

Morzadec · 22-05-2014 11:48AM

Strongbow10 wrote: »

Lallana's nationality is leading to alot of fans here underestimating his ability

Not alot between both to be honest.

Feel like a broken record at this stage, but it has absolutely nothing to do with nationality and everything to do with experience/track record/age.

If we were linked to a 26 year-old German for 20m who had only 1 good season under his belt and a handful of international caps, I would think we were overspendnig and there would be better value for money.

If an English player with about 3-4 top seasons under his belt at the highest level, CL experience, 40 international caps, some of the most impressive passing statistics in Europe at only 24 years of age was available for 20m, I would be saying we should be moving heaven and earth to be in with a shout of signing him.

Devilman40k · 22-05-2014 11:48AM

Chucky the tree wrote: »

Why not just keep Reina if we want to push Mignolet?

Wages, why keep a player earning 80k a week on the bench week in week out
Reina wants first team football.
He's already written his goodbye.

whatawaster · 22-05-2014 11:49AM

Chucky the tree wrote: »

Why not just keep Reina if we want to push Mignolet?

Keeping Reina would cost us too:
- his higher wages
- the transfer fee we will forego by not selling him.

Cheaper to sign Vorm, I'd venture

Morzadec · 22-05-2014 11:49AM

Chucky the tree wrote: »

Why not just keep Reina if we want to push Mignolet?

Humongous wages.

Not representative of any kind of value

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