The Pro Austerity Crowd

RecordStraight · 20-05-2014 04:55PM

woahwoahwoah wrote: »

It's a lot of money and those who earn higher than 80k can afford tax increases much easier than those on 30k or social welfare.

So people who earn 80k for working their balls off through school, college and every day at work should hand over MORE than half their pay.

Meanwhile, parasites who have never worked a day in their lives should get more?

Sounds good. Where do I sign up?

bumper234 · 20-05-2014 04:57PM

woahwoahwoah wrote: »

It's a lot of money and those who earn higher than 80k can afford tax increases much easier than those on 30k or social welfare.

And how many good doctors, solicitors, surgeons, pilots, air traffic controllers do you think will stay in the country when you slice their pay because it's "too much"

woahwoahwoah · 20-05-2014 04:57PM

RecordStraight wrote: »

"A fair system" - I'm sorry, but that is just total bullsh!it.

Empty rhetoric, as usual from those who want to drag others down instead of pulling themselves up.

By the way, outside of some sort of dictatorship, the government has no say in what a company chooses to pay its staff.

What you want is to stand on people's necks to keep them down while allowing high earners escape with minor scratches.

Tax.

woahwoahwoah · 20-05-2014 04:59PM

Bubbaclaus wrote: »

What difference does the salaries in private companies make to anyone other than the companies themselves?

First of all I wasn't just talking about private companies and if you live and earn in this country you pay into the system.

woahwoahwoah · 20-05-2014 05:00PM

Bubbaclaus wrote: »

Actually, a fair system would consider everyone equal and tax them likewise.

What you are looking for is the opposite.

Yes, everyone equal and in it together. Not to cast off some because they are scroungers or are not hard working enough to earn huge salaries.

woahwoahwoah · 20-05-2014 05:01PM

bumper234 wrote: »

Ok so if the gov increases tax by 5% would you also agree that the dole and pensions should be cut by the same %?

5% on who? Why would you decrease the dole by 5%?

Bubbaclaus · 20-05-2014 05:01PM

You'd feel sorry for the people that worked hard their whole lives to be where they are today. Worked hard at school and then worked their way up a company to a high up position with a great salary, only for people that have coasted through life not really trying crying out to "TAX THEM MORE, THEY DON'T DESERVE IT THE OVERPAID BASTARDS!!!!"

Bubbaclaus · 20-05-2014 05:02PM

woahwoahwoah wrote: »

Yes, everyone equal and in it together. Not to cast off some because they are scroungers or are not hard working enough to earn huge salaries.

Well at least you admit they are scroungers and not hard working.

blackwhite · 20-05-2014 05:03PM

ryan101 wrote: »

We're not talking about the self employed in small companies.
Rich people don't work Ray, share options and earnings from shares just for starters.

Share options are subject to income tax, PRSI and USC.

Dividends from shares are considered part of income and are subject to income tax, PRSI and USC.

Gains made on the value of shares are subject to capital gains tax (33%) when the shares are sold.

If somebody owns a company, any income that they take out of the business by way of salary, dividends or shares will be subject to personal taxes in one form or another.
The most tax efficient way to try and take profits is through pension contributions - but there will be taxes on that when the pension is eventually drawn.

Bubbaclaus · 20-05-2014 05:04PM

woahwoahwoah wrote: »

5% on who? Why would you decrease the dole by 5%?

Dole is too high, it isn't providing enough incentive to go find work. It should be brought back to more acceptable levels in line with the rest of the developed world.

mickydoomsux · 20-05-2014 05:04PM

woahwoahwoah wrote: »

Pay increases got out of control, they should be cut back or taxed higher.

So you want pay cuts and tax raises? I thought you were anti austerity.

RecordStraight · 20-05-2014 05:05PM

woahwoahwoah wrote: »

What you want is to stand on people's necks to keep them down while allowing high earners escape with minor scratches.

Tax.

No, I dream of a society where everyone works as hard and is as smart as everyone else, and deserves the same pay.

But I realise that that is a just a f*cking dream.

RecordStraight · 20-05-2014 05:05PM

woahwoahwoah wrote: »

5% on who? Why would you decrease the dole by 5%?

Because they are not not working hard enough.

Bubbaclaus · 20-05-2014 05:06PM

blackwhite wrote: »

Share options are subject to income tax, PRSI and USC.

Dividends from shares are considered part of income and are subject to income tax, PAYE and USC.

Gains made on the value of shares are subject to capital gains tax (33%) when the shares are sold.

If somebody owns a company, any income that they take out of the business by way of salary, dividends or shares will be subject to personal taxes in one form or another.
The most tax efficient way to try and take profits is through pension contributions - but there will be taxes on that when the pension is eventually drawn.

Don't expect ryan to reply to this. He ignores people who invalidate his 'arguments'.

woahwoahwoah · 20-05-2014 05:06PM

RecordStraight wrote: »

So people who earn 80k for working their balls off through school, college and every day at work should hand over MORE than half their pay.

Meanwhile, parasites who have never worked a day in their lives should get more?

Sounds good. Where do I sign up?

They don't pay half their pay on tax, it's much less than that.

Where did I say anyone should get more and what's this about parasites? I've told you there's less than 10,000 people who went through the boom unemployed and continue to be unemployed. Not everyone on the dole is a parasite. In fact a lot have worked just as hard if not harder than those on 80k+.

Why do you have such a nasty attitude towards less well off people in this country?

RecordStraight · 20-05-2014 05:08PM

woahwoahwoah wrote: »

They don't pay half their pay on tax, it's much less than that.

Where did I say anyone should get more and what's this about parasites? I've told you there's less than 10,000 people who went through the boom unemployed and continue to be unemployed. Not everyone on the dole is a parasite. In fact a lot have worked just as hard if not harder than those on 80k+.

Why do you have such a nasty attitude towards less well off people in this country?

Why do you have such a nasty attitude to people who are talented and work hard?

Why do you want to drag them down?

You know what a brain drain is, right?

Bubbaclaus · 20-05-2014 05:09PM

woahwoahwoah wrote: »

They don't pay half their pay on tax, it's much less than that.

Any earnings over €32,800* are taxed at 52% (41% IT, 7% USC & 4% PRSI)

*for a single person

woahwoahwoah · 20-05-2014 05:10PM

Bubbaclaus wrote: »

You'd feel sorry for the people that worked hard their whole lives to be where they are today. Worked hard at school and then worked their way up a company to a high up position with a great salary, only for people that have coasted through life not really trying crying out to "TAX THEM MORE, THEY DON'T DESERVE IT THE OVERPAID BASTARDS!!!!"

Here's the attitude the FG supporters have. If you don't earn big salaries it's because you just coasted through life, no one else works hard except them. As I said in the beginning, they're happy to see those less well off suffer as long as they keep their big houses, buy their big cars and get to go on holidays. They really are a scourge on our society.

RecordStraight · 20-05-2014 05:10PM

Bubbaclaus wrote: »

Any earnings over €32,800* are taxed at 52% (41% IT, 7% USC & 4% PRSI)

*for a single person

Clearly that is not enough. 90% would be more like it - sure they only blow it on caviar and tuxedos anyway.

mickydoomsux · 20-05-2014 05:10PM

woahwoahwoah wrote: »

In fact a lot have worked just as hard if not harder than those on 80k+.

How do you know this?

Where are you getting this "fact"?

bumper234 · 20-05-2014 05:10PM

woahwoahwoah wrote: »

5% on who? Why would you decrease the dole by 5%?

You want things to be equal right? If one group has to take a hit then so does the other, that's what equality and fairness is about.

woahwoahwoah · 20-05-2014 05:10PM

Bubbaclaus wrote: »

Well at least you admit they are scroungers and not hard working.

That's your view I was stating.

RecordStraight · 20-05-2014 05:11PM

woahwoahwoah wrote: »

Here's the attitude the FG supporters have. If you don't earn big salaries it's because you just coasted through life, no one else works hard except them. As I said in the beginning, they're happy to see those less well off suffer as long as they keep their big houses, buy their big cars and get to go on holidays. They really are a scourge on our society.

Yeah, the hard working and talented are a real scourge.

What we need is more lazy people and more people without talent, who take more out of the system than they put in.

woahwoahwoah · 20-05-2014 05:12PM

Bubbaclaus wrote: »

Dole is too high, it isn't providing enough incentive to go find work. It should be brought back to more acceptable levels in line with the rest of the developed world.

So you think pay should be brought back to more acceptable levels then also?

Bubbaclaus · 20-05-2014 05:12PM

woahwoahwoah wrote: »

Here's the attitude the FG supporters have. If you don't earn big salaries it's because you just coasted through life, no one else works hard except them. As I said in the beginning, they're happy to see those less well off suffer as long as they keep their big houses, buy their big cars and get to go on holidays. They really are a scourge on our society.

I'm not a FG supporter. I've never voted for them. I vote for the person I feel is best in my area, their affiliation doesn't concern me. In fact, thinking back, in the last 3 elections I've voted for members of 3 different parties.

mickydoomsux · 20-05-2014 05:13PM

woahwoahwoah wrote: »

Here's the attitude the FG supporters have. If you don't earn big salaries it's because you just coasted through life, no one else works hard except them. As I said in the beginning, they're happy to see those less well off suffer as long as they keep their big houses, buy their big cars and get to go on holidays. They really are a scourge on our society.

Are you literally a child?

It's either that or you're trolling.

tayto lover · 20-05-2014 05:13PM

bumper234 wrote: »

And how many good doctors, solicitors, surgeons, pilots, air traffic controllers do you think will stay in the country when you slice their pay because it's "too much"

Are those people more important than the nurses, teachers, gardai, firemen, army etc who have had their pay slashed?

RecordStraight · 20-05-2014 05:13PM

woahwoahwoah wrote: »

So you think pay should be brought back to more acceptable levels then also?

Acceptable to who? The envious?

woahwoahwoah · 20-05-2014 05:13PM

mickydoomsux wrote: »

So you want pay cuts and tax raises? I thought you were anti austerity.

One or the other. I'm pro austerity for those who can afford it, while you are pro austerity for those who can't.

RecordStraight · 20-05-2014 05:14PM

tayto lover wrote: »

Are those people more important than the nurses, teachers, gardai, firemen, army etc who have had their pay slashed?

I wouldn't say more important, but the market decides what they get paid. If you can get more as a private nurse or whatever, more power to you.

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