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The Pro Austerity Crowd

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  • #542
    woahwoahwoah
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 75 ✭✭woahwoahwoah


    RecordStraight wrote: »
    How is the tax system supposed to decide which jobs are overpaid and which are not?

    Or is any well-paid job overpaid?

    Some people's income levels got out of hand and they are overpaid. They need to be scaled back or taxed higher.


  • #543
    tritium
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,793 ✭✭✭tritium


    ryan101 wrote: »
    Same question to you, given the 250 wealthiest in Ireland are now wealthier than ever before and that austerity is supposedly for everyone, what austerity have they endured ?

    What I earn has very little to so with if austerity has hit me. I could pay 75% tax but if there are better investment opportunities now than before I can still make more money if I'm smart or lucky enough.

    As others have shown austerity measures have hit the super wealthy too. Why does that fact they're wealthier obsess you. If you get a better paid job you're better than last year, it doesn't mean you're not contributing


  • #544
    RecordStraight
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,292 ✭✭✭RecordStraight


    woahwoahwoah wrote: »
    Some people's income levels got out of hand and they are overpaid. They need to be scaled back or taxed higher.
    You ignored my question.

    How is the tax system supposed to recognise who is overpaid?


  • #545
    woahwoahwoah
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 75 ✭✭woahwoahwoah


    Ray Palmer wrote: »
    ?? Are you insane ?? You are talking nonsense.

    Strange another new use? Pattern anybody?

    Do you mind dealing with the topics at hand instead of making accusations?


  • #546
    woahwoahwoah
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 75 ✭✭woahwoahwoah


    bumper234 wrote: »
    What is considered "overpayed"?

    Look at the income increases over the period of the boom, many went too far and should be cut back.


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  • #547
    RecordStraight
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,292 ✭✭✭RecordStraight


    woahwoahwoah wrote: »
    Look at the income increases over the period of the boom, many went too far and should be cut back.
    Examples? Cut back by whom?

    And how should the tax system differentiate between people who you claim are overpaid?


  • #548
    bumper234
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,250 ✭✭✭✭bumper234


    woahwoahwoah wrote: »
    Look at the income increases over the period of the boom, many went too far and should be cut back.

    Who gets paid too much?

    How much is too much?

    If someone is working under contract for x amount per year then how do you go.about "scaling it back"?

    How much more tax should these people be paying?


  • #549
    woahwoahwoah
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 75 ✭✭woahwoahwoah


    RecordStraight wrote: »
    You ignored my question.

    How is the tax system supposed to recognise who is overpaid?

    The tax system doesn't have to, pay reductions or tax increases are needed across the board.


  • #550
    RecordStraight
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,292 ✭✭✭RecordStraight


    woahwoahwoah wrote: »
    The tax system doesn't have to, pay reductions or tax increases are needed across the board.
    So who is required to reduce the pay of the overpaid people?

    Is everyone, even those who are not overpaid, supposed to suffer these tax hikes just because they have good jobs that they worked hard to get?

    We need specifics if you are to rise above the usual lefty moaning brigade who have no answers for anything.


  • #551
    woahwoahwoah
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 75 ✭✭woahwoahwoah


    RecordStraight wrote: »
    Examples? Cut back by whom?

    And how should the tax system differentiate between people who you claim are overpaid?

    It's across the board, public and private sector. People are working in overpaid jobs and should be taxed higher as they wont accept pay decreases. The reason for this is because they can afford to pay.


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  • #552
    woahwoahwoah
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 75 ✭✭woahwoahwoah


    bumper234 wrote: »
    Who gets paid too much?

    How much is too much?

    If someone is working under contract for x amount per year then how do you go.about "scaling it back"?

    How much more tax should these people be paying?

    There's people who earn under 80,000 and are paid too much but the focus should be on those above this figure.

    Tax them.

    A fair system would be made in regard to the level of tax paid by these overpaid workers.


  • #553
    Bubbaclaus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,460 ✭✭✭Bubbaclaus


    woahwoahwoah wrote: »
    It's across the board, public and private sector. People are working in overpaid jobs and should be taxed higher as they wont accept pay decreases. The reason for this is because they can afford to pay.

    Do you consider all highly paid jobs to be overpaid or only some of them?


  • #554
    bumper234
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,250 ✭✭✭✭bumper234


    woahwoahwoah wrote: »
    The tax system doesn't have to, pay reductions or tax increases are needed across the board.

    These have already happened.


  • #555
    RecordStraight
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,292 ✭✭✭RecordStraight


    woahwoahwoah wrote: »
    It's across the board, public and private sector. People are working in overpaid jobs and should be taxed higher as they wont accept pay decreases. The reason for this is because they can afford to pay.
    So people who are NOT overpaid should have tax increases?

    Why should private companies cut the salaries of their employees, when the money is coming out private companies' pockets??


  • #556
    bumper234
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,250 ✭✭✭✭bumper234


    woahwoahwoah wrote: »
    There's people who earn under 80,000 and are paid too much but the focus should be on those above this figure.

    Tax them.

    A fair system would be made in regard to the level of tax paid by these overpaid workers.

    So you think a salary of 80k is too.much?


  • #557
    RecordStraight
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,292 ✭✭✭RecordStraight


    woahwoahwoah wrote: »
    There's people who earn under 80,000 and are paid too much but the focus should be on those above this figure.

    Tax them.

    A fair system would be made in regard to the level of tax paid by these overpaid workers.
    'A fair system'?

    That's as specific as a politician who promises 'reform'.


  • #558
    woahwoahwoah
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 75 ✭✭woahwoahwoah


    RecordStraight wrote: »
    So who is required to reduce the pay of the overpaid people?

    Is everyone, even those who are not overpaid, supposed to suffer these tax hikes just because they have good jobs that they worked hard to get?

    We need specifics if you are to rise above the usual lefty moaning brigade who have no answers for anything.

    Government.

    A fair system would be introduced.

    I don't need specifics to please the right wing moaning brigade. I never claimed to have all the answers. What I do know is that attacking those on low income or those on social welfare when others can afford it more is wrong.
    By the way do none of those who are on social welfare or low incomes work hard? Is it just those with high earnings who have this work ethic?


  • #559
    woahwoahwoah
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 75 ✭✭woahwoahwoah


    Bubbaclaus wrote: »
    Do you consider all highly paid jobs to be overpaid or only some of them?

    A lot of them.


  • #560
    mickydoomsux
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,287 ✭✭✭mickydoomsux


    I love that anti austerity fans are as vague and uninformed as the parties that share their views.


  • #561
    woahwoahwoah
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 75 ✭✭woahwoahwoah


    bumper234 wrote: »
    These have already happened.

    Yes and should continue to happen instead of attacking those on social welfare and low incomes.


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  • #562
    mickydoomsux
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,287 ✭✭✭mickydoomsux


    woahwoahwoah wrote: »
    A lot of them.

    A ridiculous generalisation by someone who has no idea what they are talking about.


  • #563
    woahwoahwoah
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 75 ✭✭woahwoahwoah


    RecordStraight wrote: »
    So people who are NOT overpaid should have tax increases?

    Why should private companies cut the salaries of their employees, when the money is coming out private companies' pockets??

    We're dealing with 80,000 and above.

    They don't need to.


  • #564
    RecordStraight
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,292 ✭✭✭RecordStraight


    woahwoahwoah wrote: »
    Government.

    A fair system would be introduced.

    I don't need specifics to please the right wing moaning brigade. I never claimed to have all the answers. What I do know is that attacking those on low income or those on social welfare when others can afford it more is wrong.
    By the way do none of those who are on social welfare or low incomes work hard? Is it just those with high earnings who have this work ethic?
    "A fair system" - I'm sorry, but that is just total bullsh!it.

    Empty rhetoric, as usual from those who want to drag others down instead of pulling themselves up.

    By the way, outside of some sort of dictatorship, the government has no say in what a company chooses to pay its staff.


  • #565
    woahwoahwoah
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 75 ✭✭woahwoahwoah


    bumper234 wrote: »
    So you think a salary of 80k is too.much?

    It's a lot of money and those who earn higher than 80k can afford tax increases much easier than those on 30k or social welfare.


  • #566
    woahwoahwoah
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 75 ✭✭woahwoahwoah


    RecordStraight wrote: »
    'A fair system'?

    That's as specific as a politician who promises 'reform'.

    As I said, I don't have all the answers but I know what's fair.


  • #567
    Bubbaclaus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,460 ✭✭✭Bubbaclaus


    woahwoahwoah wrote: »
    A lot of them.

    What difference does the salaries in private companies make to anyone other than the companies themselves?


  • #568
    woahwoahwoah
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 75 ✭✭woahwoahwoah


    mickydoomsux wrote: »
    I love that anti austerity fans are as vague and uninformed as the parties that share their views.

    The pro austerity fans aren't vague ofcourse. Attack those on social welfare and low income and leave us rich lads alone is their view.


  • #569
    Bubbaclaus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,460 ✭✭✭Bubbaclaus


    woahwoahwoah wrote: »
    As I said, I don't have all the answers but I know what's fair.

    Actually, a fair system would consider everyone equal and tax them likewise.

    What you are looking for is the opposite.


  • #570
    bumper234
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,250 ✭✭✭✭bumper234


    woahwoahwoah wrote: »
    Government.

    A fair system would be introduced.

    I don't need specifics to please the right wing moaning brigade. I never claimed to have all the answers. What I do know is that attacking those on low income or those on social welfare when others can afford it more is wrong.
    By the way do none of those who are on social welfare or low incomes work hard? Is it just those with high earnings who have this work ethic?

    Ok so if the gov increases tax by 5% would you also agree that the dole and pensions should be cut by the same %?


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  • #571
    woahwoahwoah
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 75 ✭✭woahwoahwoah


    mickydoomsux wrote: »
    A ridiculous generalisation by someone who has no idea what they are talking about.

    Pay increases got out of control, they should be cut back or taxed higher.


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