The Pro Austerity Crowd

RecordStraight · 20-05-2014 05:46PM

woahwoahwoah wrote: »

So teachers or nurses are less talented or work less hard than you? That statement really is revealing about the kind of person we're dealing with.

Why do you think I am 'rich'? I'm a teacher. Of economics.

I've already emigrated, by the way.

bumper234 · 20-05-2014 05:47PM

ryan101 wrote: »

When you're in a hole keep digging.
You've already been caught you out telling lies, so I don't expect any credible posting from you. You're personal attacks and abuse say far more about you than anyone else.

How is that a personal.attack.or abuse? You are saying things won't get better for most and they will end up.earning less than 30k pa. If that's the case then we can presume things will stay ****ty for you too and you will end up.staying on the dole. If you don't like people making these presumptions then.maybe you shouldn't make them.

tayto lover · 20-05-2014 05:49PM

Arrogance is the thing that connects all of this crowd.
Preserve the status quo at all costs.

bumper234 · 20-05-2014 05:51PM

tayto lover wrote: »

Arrogance is the thing that connects all of this crowd.
Preserve the status quo at all costs.

And your motto.seems to be

"What do we want"?

"More free stuff"!

"When do we want it"?

"NOW"!!!!!!!

mickydoomsux · 20-05-2014 05:52PM

woahwoahwoah wrote: »

It's your opinion, maybe you should take a look at yourself if you don't like it.

You're telling me what my opinion is now.

Also, how are you earning 40k if you're unemployed?

RecordStraight · 20-05-2014 05:52PM

tayto lover wrote: »

Arrogance is the thing that connects all of this crowd.
Preserve the status quo at all costs.

And ignorance is what connects yours, down to the spelling mistakes and poor comprehension.

tayto lover · 20-05-2014 05:55PM

RecordStraight wrote: »

And ignorance is what connects yours, down to the spelling mistakes and poor comprehension.

Congrats, you've just proved my point :pac:

RecordStraight · 20-05-2014 05:56PM

tayto lover wrote: »

Congrats, you've just proved my point :pac:

And you have proved mine.

mickydoomsux · 20-05-2014 05:56PM

tayto lover wrote: »

Congrats, you've just proved my point :pac:

It's "proven".

tayto lover · 20-05-2014 05:58PM

mickydoomsux wrote: »

It's "proven".

There will be a lot "proven" on Friday, just wait :pac:

beardy_mcgrath · 20-05-2014 06:01PM

tayto lover wrote: »

Property taxes, HHC, Water tax, medical cards withdrawn, fuel rises, prescription charges etc etc. Of course they are effected.

medical cards are available for anyone over seventy who earns less than 450 euro per week ( 900 for a couple over 70 ) and even then they still have a GP card , pensioners are on the gravy train in this country compared to the vast majority of their counterparts in europe

bumper234 · 20-05-2014 06:02PM

tayto lover wrote: »

There will be a lot "proven" on Friday, just wait :pac:

Friday is only local elections, yes there will be protest votes and LAB/FG will lose seats due to this bit the real proof will be in another couple of years when the general election is called.

beardy_mcgrath · 20-05-2014 06:16PM

tayto lover wrote: »

We are losing the skilled teachers, nurses etc because this Govt is treating them very badly. How come you have no problem with them leaving but you have with the rich leaving?

no ! , we are losing new entrants to the above professions because their counterparts with twenty years under their belt pulled up the ladder after them by way of haddington road etc , whats more unions signed off on this inter generational stitch up

tritium · 20-05-2014 07:14PM

woahwoahwoah wrote: »

There's people who earn under 80,000 and are paid too much but the focus should be on those above this figure.

Tax them.

A fair system would be made in regard to the level of tax paid by these overpaid workers.

I suppose I should be grateful that at least someone put a number on it - shows the benchmark we're dealing with! Maybe now they'll answer the other questions that tayto lover ran away from too. What percentage of the total tax take should these super rich contribute? What percentage of their salary should they pay in tax?

tayto lover · 20-05-2014 07:24PM

tritium wrote: »

I suppose I should be grateful that at least someone put a number on it - shows the benchmark we're dealing with! Maybe now they'll answer the other questions that tayto lover ran away from too. What percentage of the total tax take should these super rich contribute? What percentage of their salary should they pay in tax?

I'd make them pay quite a bit tantrum. They can afford more because they earn/have more. Simple. The same reason why some of your people say pensioners are over-protected and should be taxed more. If someone was earning 150K per year i'd take more than 60% off him. I remember paying almost that myself.

RecordStraight · 20-05-2014 07:34PM

tayto lover wrote: »

I'd make them pay quite a bit tantrum. They can afford more because they earn/have more. Simple. The same reason why some of your people say pensioners are over-protected and should be taxed more. If someone was earning 150K per year i'd take more than 60% off him. I remember paying almost that myself.

And you think they'd stick around here for the weather and taxes, or take their skills and training abroad?

Or is punishing the successful more important than increasing tax revenue?

tayto lover wrote: »

I'd make them pay quite a bit tantrum.

This is typical of the constructive-argument-free side of the debate that you represent.

Iwasfrozen · 20-05-2014 07:35PM

tayto lover wrote: »

I'd make them pay quite a bit tantrum. They can afford more because they earn/have more. Simple. The same reason why some of your people say pensioners are over-protected and should be taxed more. If someone was earning 150K per year i'd take more than 60% off him. I remember paying almost that myself.

That would be your threshold? 150k per year?

tayto lover · 20-05-2014 07:38PM

RecordStraight wrote: »

And you think they'd stick around here for the weather and taxes, or take their skills and training abroad?

Or is punishing the successful more important than increasing tax revenue?

This is typical of the constructive-argument-free side of the debate that you represent.

Very few left years ago when taxes were very high.

tayto lover · 20-05-2014 07:44PM

RecordStraight wrote: »

And you think they'd stick around here for the weather and taxes, or take their skills and training abroad?

Or is punishing the successful more important than increasing tax revenue?

We could tell them its only a temporary measure like the USC.
It will change back when the economy improves.
Isn't that how its done?

AlexisM · 20-05-2014 07:45PM

tayto lover wrote: »

Very few left years ago when taxes were very high.

There was a lot less mobility back in those days - if you emigrated, that was pretty much it for life so it was a bigger decision. Now, people can go abroad for a few years and come back when times are better and they won't be screwed over for having the temerity to be a high earner. Also, online working/telecommuting didn't exist - now there are many mobile people who can just up sticks and re-locate.

tayto lover · 20-05-2014 07:47PM

AlexisM wrote: »

There was a lot less mobility back in those days - if you emigrated, that was pretty much it for life so it was a bigger decision. Now, people can go abroad for a few years and come back when times are better and they won't be screwed over for having the temerity to be a high earner. Also, online working/telecommuting didn't exist - now there are many mobile people who can just up sticks and re-locate.

Yes and we could find someone else to take their job and also claim a reduction in the unemployment figures ..... Oh oh someone beat me to it.

Ray Palmer · 20-05-2014 07:47PM

tayto lover wrote: »

Very few left years ago when taxes were very high.

I can tell you very clearly I would leave and remove my assets along with my future inheritance. Currently investigating the best way to do this. My skills highly sought after and easily transferable in the world market. Been invite to move to a number of countries a few times.

There is a tipping point for everybody the higher the taxes the more people will move. The current tax system already limits the amount of work I will do.

tritium · 20-05-2014 07:48PM

tayto lover wrote: »

Very few left years ago when taxes were very high.

From my own perspective, the last employer who wouldn't pay market rates for the (very niche) role I do was looking for my replacement within a few weeks of the discussion. I could earn a decent premium already in the UK and only my family has kept me here up to now- hammer me on tax and that dynamic reverses very quickly. Most of the people I know who do a job like mine think the same based on discussions we've had. I'm not in the super rich category yet but given the thousands of hours and euros I've spent ( to get the skills to take me to the level I'm at I'll be damned if someone tries to tell my significantly net contribution to the system just isn't enough

RecordStraight · 20-05-2014 07:49PM

tayto lover wrote: »

Very few left years ago when taxes were very high.

You are kidding me?

tayto lover · 20-05-2014 07:49PM

Ray Palmer wrote: »

I can tell you very clearly I would leave and remove my assets along with my future inheritance. Currently investigating the best way to do this. My skills highly sought after and easily transferable in the world market. Been invite to move to a number of countries a few times.

There is a tipping point for everybody the higher the taxes the more people will move. The current tax system already limits the amount of work I will do.

I have often thought about it myself in honesty but I decided to stay and contribute. Things might improve BUT there is far too much austerity.

AlexisM · 20-05-2014 07:52PM

tayto lover wrote: »

Yes and we could find someone else to take their job and also claim a reduction in the unemployment figures ..... Oh oh someone beat me to it.

Not all jobs will be replaced. For mobile workers, the job just moves elsewhere taking PAYE, PRSI, USC and employers' PRSI with it.

RecordStraight · 20-05-2014 07:53PM

tayto lover wrote: »

I have often thought about it myself in honesty but I decided to stay and contribute. Things might improve BUT there is far too much austerity.

So...increase taxes further...?

tritium · 20-05-2014 07:54PM

tayto lover wrote: »

I'd make them pay quite a bit tantrum. They can afford more because they earn/have more. Simple. The same reason why some of your people say pensioners are over-protected and should be taxed more. If someone was earning 150K per year i'd take more than 60% off him. I remember paying almost that myself.

This they earn more so they have more argument is frankly a crock of sh1t. Have you factored in the cost of creche fees because they're working? The mortgage on a probably negative equity property? (And yes it's probably a bigger than average mortgage) the cost if running a car so they can get the kids to creche? The cost of any loans taken out for education? I think you'll find there aren't too many successful professionals with vast spending power.

tayto lover · 20-05-2014 07:56PM

RecordStraight wrote: »

So...increase taxes further...?

To me it doesn't matter if its a tax, a levy or a new charge. It's a reduction in my wage packet. They can call it whatever they like.

tayto lover · 20-05-2014 07:58PM

tritium wrote: »

This they earn more so they have more argument is frankly a crock of sh1t. Have you factored in the cost of creche fees because they're working? The mortgage on a probably negative equity property? (And yes it's probably a bigger than average mortgage) the cost if running a car so they can get the kids to creche? The cost of any loans taken out for education? I think you'll find there aren't too many successful professionals with vast spending power.

There are many hard workers on a lot less with those same problems.

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