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Greenways [greenway map of Ireland in post 1]

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,720 ✭✭✭serfboard


    From the Tralee to Fenit thread I've copied this (with thanks to Quackster): http://www.dttas.ie/press-releases/2...ter-alan-kelly


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,779 ✭✭✭Carawaystick


    serfboard wrote: »
    From the Tralee to Fenit thread I've copied this (with thanks to Quackster): http://www.dttas.ie/press-releases/2...ter-alan-kelly

    From the press release(last para), it mentions Royal canal improvements in Westmeath from Coolnahay to Co.Longford border. Does that mean there is a good surface already from Mullingar to Coolnahay?

    Also I think the elephant in the room is building a completely new way from the Shannon to Galway.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,779 ✭✭✭Carawaystick


    I was down at Clonmacnoise over the bank holiday weekend, and it's not as good as I remember as a yungfella, but lil Miss Carawaysticks thought running around and calling to rapunzel was great craic ( 2 round towers)

    but as I traveled west from Moate along boreens I noticed cycle-way signs and at the monastery I saw this cycle-way


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,779 ✭✭✭Carawaystick


    I'd say there's room for a boreen route south from Athlone to Clonmacnoise
    and along the road to Shannonbridge.

    With a bit of co-operation from BnaM, the shannon crossing
    south of the Suck could be used, along with boreens up to B'Slow

    But from there to Galway, someone will have to buy access. 3m or so following ditches. At least to Loughrea, where there's WS2 to Oranmore.

    Although if a route to Loughrea was made, then it wouldn't be a stretch to use the old railway line to Attymon.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,447 ✭✭✭BrianD3


    I am interested in greenways as I plan to retire before I'm 50 (in about 15 years) and spending a lot of time exploring the country by bike away from traffic sounds great. I might also be in a position to use greenways for commuting before then.

    Was just looking at some maps of the old railways and then following the disused lines on google maps, OSI and land registry maps. Clearly there are loads of lines but surely there would be a lot of work, expense and hassle involved in getting greenways in place on long disused lines (i.e those that became disused with tracks lifted in the 1960s or earlier as opposed to lines like Navan-Kingscourt or Mullingar-Athlone that became disused much later)

    Relying on "permissive access" from private landowners sounds like a receipe for a dispute to me and I believe this has already happened on the Mayo greenway.

    Anyone got any thoughts?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,107 ✭✭✭hi5


    As you say getting the land back off the land owners would be the big problem and they have also been built over near towns.
    But much of the bridges and underpasses still exist, although some have been knocked as they were height restrictive.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 69,542 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    There's routes where CIE still own the land that don't still have track on them also, not everything was sold off.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,447 ✭✭✭BrianD3


    MYOB wrote: »
    There's routes where CIE still own the land that don't still have track on them also, not everything was sold off.
    I've been looking at some routes on
    https://www.mypropertytitle.ie/praMap.aspx

    And notice that some routes are mostly unregistered land while others are mostly registered.

    Does the registration status of an old railway line give a clue as to ownership i.e ownership by CIE, local authorities, private individuals, adverse possession etc. Or does the registration status not imply anything.


  • Registered Users Posts: 761 ✭✭✭Jayuu


    Carrick-on-Suir to Clonmel will be great. I've walked part of this route many times and it's got some lovely scenery along the way. My only concern about this is that the river is very suspceptible to flooding when there's any volume of rain. I wonder are they building some walls along the side of the bank?


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  • Registered Users Posts: 65 ✭✭bizguy


    MYOB wrote: »
    There's routes where CIE still own the land that don't still have track on them also, not everything was sold off.

    I wish they'd hire a fella in a JCB to clear every route that they own and reaffirm ownership. Gatehouse owners and farmers that have stolen the land are holding the country to ransom...Ireland has so much cycling potential.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,720 ✭✭✭serfboard


    The preferred route for the Athlone to Galway section of the national coast to coast greenway has been announced.

    The Athlone to Galway stretch will run through Shannonbridge, Loughrea, Craughwell, Clarinbridge and Oranmore and along the coast into Galway city.

    Minister Leo Varadkar made the announcement at the formal opening of the latest section of the greenway at Castleknock in Dublin today.

    Speaking at the event he says he is taking an incremental approach to building the greenway, building one section at a time as funding is allocated.

    A 40 kilometer section between Mullingar and Athlone will be completed next year following the allocation of 4 million euro in funding by Junior Transport Minister Alan Kelly.

    Two further sections in Kildare and Meath totalling 40 kilometers are at shovel-ready stage and work will being as soon as more funding becomes available.
    link


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,686 ✭✭✭✭Zubeneschamali


    Shannonbridge? :confused:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,905 ✭✭✭Aard


    There's a short new greenwayin Rathfarnham linking St Enda's to Loreto Park. Just less than a kilometre long. It seems to be quite popular and is well suited for kids riding their bikes safely. There's also talk of it being connected to the River Slang greenway.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,779 ✭✭✭Carawaystick


    Shannonbridge? :confused:

    It must go from Athlone to Clonmacnoise and cross the Shannon there,
    There's lots of boreen and BnaM land to get to Shannonbridge
    There's probably some likelihood of conneccting Athlone to the grand canal


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,995 ✭✭✭Schadenfreudia


    Aard wrote: »
    There's a short new greenwayin Rathfarnham linking St Enda's to Loreto Park. Just less than a kilometre long. It seems to be quite popular and is well suited for kids riding their bikes safely. There's also talk of it being connected to the River Slang greenway.

    Map??


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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,533 Mod ✭✭✭✭Amirani


    Map??

    It's located here:

    314437.jpg

    Google Maps doesn't have the updated satellite image.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,878 ✭✭✭whyulittle


    It must go from Athlone to Clonmacnoise and cross the Shannon there,
    There's lots of boreen and BnaM land to get to Shannonbridge
    There's probably some likelihood of conneccting Athlone to the grand canal

    The preferred route is to cross the Shannon at Athlone, with a new dedicated bridge in between the Town Bridge and the White Bridge.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,779 ✭✭✭Carawaystick


    whyulittle wrote: »
    The preferred route is to cross the Shannon at Athlone, with a new dedicated bridge in between the Town Bridge and the White Bridge.

    Then to quote Zubeneschamali
    "Shannonbridge?:confused:"


  • Registered Users Posts: 7 naasgreenway


    We are setting up a greenway for Naas called Naas Neighbourhood Greenway and we are going to connect all schools and clubs to all estates with an traffic free cycle/pedestrian route.
    More info at naasneighbourhoodgreenway on Facebook
    We have received funding to start and will commence it in April 15 along the canal towpath that passes try Naas.
    Cyclist.ie were a great help to us and these are the basic steps to getting a small or big project going
    1. photo graph your plan from the ground and with google maps
    2. put it into a document saying what you want.Keep it simple but tarmac is a must at 4m wide ,2m for cyclist and 2m for walkers.
    3.get onto your local municipal councillors , they will love this as its a ribbon cutting project
    4 Brand it and give it a name.
    5 get it done councillors will get money somewhere
    .


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,779 ✭✭✭Carawaystick


    Kerry Co Co going to CPO land for a greenway along the old rail line from Glenbeigh to Caherciveen

    http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/kerry-council-fails-to-agree-deal-with-landowners-on-tourist-trail-311637.html
    de paper wrote:
    The 27km greenway for cyclists and walkers will cross scenic terrain while some sections will run parallel to the Ring of Kerry route. It will also skirt hillsides, commanding spectacular views of Dingle Bay and the Iveragh Peninsula.

    CPO documentation and environmental impact statements are due to be submitted to An Bord Pleanála by June, to be followed by public consultation and an oral planning hearing in the autumn. An ABP decision is expected in December.

    10/120 landowners holding out.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,720 ✭✭✭serfboard


    Kerry Co Co going to CPO land for a greenway along the old rail line from Glenbeigh to Caherciveen
    http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/kerry-council-fails-to-agree-deal-with-landowners-on-tourist-trail-311637.html
    10/120 landowners holding out.
    Cllr Michael Cahill, however, voiced disappointment a deal could not be reached with all the landowners and said there was a “strong desire” among some for a small, annual, payment in return for maintaining the greenway.
    “There’s a huge amount of requests for this: It would generate phenomenal goodwill and help get people on side,” he added.
    Mr Sheehy replied there was no provision in the CPO process for an annual payment.
    This is hilarious - these guys are going to want rent for land they'll no longer own :eek: ... My God - the mind boggles.

    OK, to be fair - for the payment, they're going to "maintain" the greenway. My arse they will. But I would have concerns that people with that mentality might "unmaintain" the greenway if they don't get a payment ...


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,995 ✭✭✭Schadenfreudia


    serfboard wrote: »
    But I would have concerns that people with that mentality might "unmaintain" the greenway if they don't get a payment ...

    They shoot Hen Harriers, don't they? :cool:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,791 ✭✭✭JJJJNR


    Anyone know if this greenway in Wicklow is going ahead, haven’t read anything recently about it.

    http://www.wicklownews.net/2014/04/major-rural-cycle-greenway-planned-for-wicklow/


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,720 ✭✭✭serfboard


    From the Limerick Leader:
    IRELAND’S first and original greenway, the Great Southern Trail, is being ignored by the Minister responsible and by his staff, the chairman of the trail group, Liam O’Mahony has claimed.

    The Great Southern Trail Ltd ... has been trying to meet Minister Donohue since last January. In the run-up to the Minister’s sod-turning visit to Barna and to the agm of West Limerick Tourism on Februray 16, the GST again contacted the Minister’s office but no meeting ensued.

    And then last month, the group asked to be included in a proposed two-visit by the Minister to Kerry.

    Yet, Mr O’Mahony said, despite a number of emails asking about an appointment, they were given none. In fact, he added, having been promised that somebody would be in touch, all communication stopped.

    “This is a kick in the teeth for us,” Mr O’Mahony said. “He seems to have no interest in meeting us which is quite strange considering we have been working on this for 25 years.”

    ... a spokesman for the Department of Transport, Tourism and Sport ... said "On Minister Donohoe’s visit to Kerry, Cork and Clare earlier in March, the Kerry itinerary was organised by Minister of State Jimmy Deenihan."

    ... Mr O’Mahony is ... unhappy at the lack of progress made in completing the Kerry section of the trail and wants Minister Donohue to intervene to get the project moving. The Kerry section had been “put on the long finger” he said, and this was in sharp contrast with the actions of Waterford City and County Council which is planning to have a 30-mile Deise Greenway up and running in the next 15 months.
    Jimmy Deenihan running scared of land-grabbing farmers. Disgraceful, but not surprising, behaviour by one of our elected representatives.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 76 ✭✭padrepio


    Any hope of the proposed Dodder greenway getting the go ahead? Would be a superb amenity if it did.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,995 ✭✭✭Schadenfreudia


    padrepio wrote: »
    Any hope of the proposed Dodder greenway getting the go ahead? Would be a superb amenity if it did.

    Any links to a map of this proposal?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,038 ✭✭✭Pete_Cavan


    serfboard wrote: »
    From the Limerick Leader:
    Jimmy Deenihan running scared of land-grabbing farmers. Disgraceful, but not surprising, behaviour by one of our elected representatives.
    Is there still people down there obstructing the route? The State really need to take this all the way in terms of court proceedings in order to establish a legal precedence on the matter. From other reading on this site which I assume to be true, the land has to be formally abandoned by way of Act of Parliament before adverse possession can occur because statute law trumps common law, this needs to be tested. If the courts find in favour of the state then the thieving feckers can be turfed out, if the court upholds the adverse possession then another approach is needed. Either way, the true standing of the ownership of such unused railway lines needs to be established in order to avoid the kind of posturing and resulting inaction we are seeing on the GST. It would be money well spent if you ask me.
    padrepio wrote: »
    Any hope of the proposed Dodder greenway getting the go ahead? Would be a superb amenity if it did.
    SDCC recently sought Project Management and Environmental Consultancy Services so hopefully the project will be going ahead soon; http://www.mytenders.ie/search/show/search_view.aspx?ID=AUG417892
    Any links to a map of this proposal?
    The SDCC website refers to the project in numerous places but doesnt seem to have drawings anywhere. The best I could find is this; http://irishcycle.com/2014/09/28/mapped-planned-river-dodder-greenway/


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,969 ✭✭✭hardCopy


    Pete_Cavan wrote: »
    Is there still people down there obstructing the route? The State really need to take this all the way in terms of court proceedings in order to establish a legal precedence on the matter. From other reading on this site which I assume to be true, the land has to be formally abandoned by way of Act of Parliament before adverse possession can occur because statute law trumps common law, this needs to be tested. If the courts find in favour of the state then the thieving feckers can be turfed out, if the court upholds the adverse possession then another approach is needed. Either way, the true standing of the ownership of such unused railway lines needs to be established in order to avoid the kind of posturing and resulting inaction we are seeing on the GST. It would be money well spent if you ask me.

    SDCC recently sought Project Management and Environmental Consultancy Services so hopefully the project will be going ahead soon; http://www.mytenders.ie/search/show/search_view.aspx?ID=AUG417892

    The SDCC website refers to the project in numerous places but doesnt seem to have drawings anywhere. The best I could find is this; http://irishcycle.com/2014/09/28/mapped-planned-river-dodder-greenway/

    Would it be totally off the wall to just send in the diggers and let the squatters apply for an injunction if they think they have a case?


  • Registered Users Posts: 89 ✭✭Waterboy2014


    You should check out greenway that is currently under construction in County Waterford. Around 40km connecting Waterford City and Dungarvan. Sections due to be open this Summer with overall path open in Summer 2016. Looks really impressive. Check out deisegreenway.com or on Facebook for pictures.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,038 ✭✭✭Pete_Cavan


    hardCopy wrote: »
    Would it be totally off the wall to just send in the diggers and let the squatters apply for an injunction if they think they have a case?
    Exactly, CIE should still have title over the unused railways, if they permit the development of a greenway on the alignment, whatever other approvals are obtained and funding is in place then construction should progress. If adjoining land owners wish to claim squatters rights/adverse possession then let them at it. The state should fight it all the way through the courts until we have a definitive outcome. At least that way greenway promoters would know exactly where they stand and if they have to deal with these bogmen. Where CoCos have given planning permission for development on the line it is probably a more difficult case to win.
    You should check out greenway that is currently under construction in County Waterford. Around 40km connecting Waterford City and Dungarvan. Sections due to be open this Summer with overall path open in Summer 2016. Looks really impressive. Check out deisegreenway.com or on Facebook for pictures.
    The Deise Greenway looks to be progressing very well with funding having been given for two sections (in typical Irish fashion these two sections are at opposite ends of the trail leaving a huge gap between them). They will be doing very well to get the whole thing open in Summer 2016. Hopefully we will see it completed soon and it can be held up as another example of the benefits greenways can bring. It would be great to see it extended both to the east to Rosslare and west eventually to Cork.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,779 ✭✭✭Carawaystick


    If you could get the Rosslare to Waterford line greenway'd it'd be a huge tourism draw for ferry traffic, to be able to tour straight ( well almost) off the boat.

    Add in New Ross line too.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,995 ✭✭✭Schadenfreudia


    Add in New Ross line too.

    It's a pity they let the railway line at Waterford fall in the river!


  • Registered Users Posts: 80 ✭✭deisegreenway


    If you could get the Rosslare to Waterford line greenway'd it'd be a huge tourism draw for ferry traffic, to be able to tour straight ( well almost) off the boat.

    Add in New Ross line too.

    Waterford to New Ross goes to planning in the next few months, it's hoped to have it finished in mid 2016.

    The Waterford Dungarvan route was funded by two separate pots of money...the eastern section by a stimulus fund, the western section by the National Cycling Network. The good thing is that it puts enormous pressure on finishing the middle section and the council look determined to finish it.

    A small show of ownership by CIE (even once a year) would have kicked most of these adverse possession claims to touch. One landmark case resulting in financial ruin of a squatter will put an end to this behaviour.

    The travesty of it all is that in the meantime, it's possible/likely that a large chunk of the 2014-2016 NCN funding will be unused and the 30 odd other shovel-ready projects around the country will have lost out, along with the thousands of people who want to walk and cycle them.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,779 ✭✭✭Carawaystick


    It's a pity they let the railway line at Waterford fall in the river!
    The Dungarvan line above the draw bridge?
    Was that not on purpose when the drawbridge was built/rail line closed?


  • Registered Users Posts: 80 ✭✭deisegreenway


    It's a pity they let the railway line at Waterford fall in the river!

    Not sure where this is. If you mean the gap in the iron bridge that sits between the two road bridges in Waterford City, this piece was deliberately removed to allow ships go upriver. The missing piece is on the riverbank nearby as can be seen here.

    Even if this bridge was intact and deemed greenway-safe (which would cost a fair bit), it'd only bring you directly from the Dungarvan-Waterford greenway onto an active railway.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,995 ✭✭✭Schadenfreudia


    Not sure where this is. If you mean the gap in the iron bridge that sits between the two road bridges in Waterford City, this piece was deliberately removed to allow ships go upriver. The missing piece is on the riverbank nearby as can be seen here.

    That is the one I'm talking about. But there are no alternative bridges for a greenway, are there?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,779 ✭✭✭Carawaystick


    No, theres only one bridge in Waterford city bikes can use, the drawbridge. There's only 2 bridges anyway, one is the "motorway" *

    Ships travel up to Fiddown, the next bridge over the Suir. So any bridge would have to open for navigation.

    I presume the greenway from Dungarvan is going to end near here

    Its narrow here to force any cycle infrastructure through


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,995 ✭✭✭Schadenfreudia


    Looking at those photos it seems a board-walk type solution might be doable, albeit costly?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,283 ✭✭✭Deedsie


    Anne Cassin did a short segment on the Dublin Greenways this evening on Nationwide. Sutton to Sandycove and the Dodder greenway were mentioned.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,107 ✭✭✭hi5


    Nationwide (first part) on the Fenit/Tralee line in Co, Kerry for use as a greenway.

    http://www.rte.ie/player/ie/show/10412497/


  • Registered Users Posts: 80 ✭✭deisegreenway



    I presume the greenway from Dungarvan is going to end near here

    Correct

    Its narrow here to force any cycle infrastructure through

    Right again! Good news is that all this road has had planning approved for a realignment, widening and footpaths. Just where the greenway fits into this we're not sure but we're led to believe there is a solid plan to get the greenway in as far as Rice Bridge. Even if it had to be a shared footpath for this section, it would still provide the much-needed connection to the city centre.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,995 ✭✭✭Schadenfreudia


    hi5 wrote: »

    Thanks for the link, but the length of ads on the RTE player before you see the video must be a world record!

    Completely puts me off looking at RTE stuff :mad:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,779 ✭✭✭Carawaystick


    Right again! Good news is that all this road has had planning approved for a realignment, widening and footpaths. Just where the greenway fits into this we're not sure but we're led to believe there is a solid plan to get the greenway in as far as Rice Bridge. Even if it had to be a shared footpath for this section, it would still provide the much-needed connection to the city centre.

    That's very good news. The local authorities there seem to be well on board with this plan.
    I suppose its easier as the rail line closed more recently, I remember getting stopped by a train at the 2 level crossings on the n25.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,779 ✭✭✭Carawaystick


    So the greenway from Mullingar to Athlone is to open this July

    Westmeath thread here
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057416455

    westmeath independent link


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,720 ✭✭✭serfboard


    So the greenway from Mullingar to Athlone is to open this July

    Westmeath thread here
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057416455

    westmeath independent link
    A familiar, if depressing piece at the end of that article:
    The Garrycastle to Galway section of the project is already proving controversial as it is likely to require the compulsory purchase, by the local authority, of lands through which the cycleway will pass.

    Several farmers who are likely to be affected have voiced their opposition to this and some local representatives claimed that developers of the cycleway are “attempting to bulldoze” it through.
    Apart from the hilarious turn of phrase, why is it that farmers never describe road building in this way?

    It's not as if they couldn't do with the exercise a Greenway would facilitate, what with over 80% of them being overweight and with them being seven times more likely to die of heart disease than the rest of us.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,779 ✭✭✭Carawaystick


    Maybe them being farmers might mean they already have land to walk, free from traffic?

    The Article has a headline about 7 times more likely to die of heart disease, but no statistics to explain this. Maybe its because response times will be much longer for people living and working in rural areas.



    It's superb progress on the route, I assumed this would be on the never-never.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,402 ✭✭✭plodder


    I see a planning notice in today's Irish times about works on royal canal path in city centre from the start at ifsc to Phibsboro presumably which must go through the Irish rail lands in between. That will be a significant addition particularly for commuters.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,905 ✭✭✭Aard


    If it's anything like the Grand Canal route, it will be a huge success. Any word on how far west the route will go? Further than Phibsboro?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,402 ✭✭✭plodder


    Aard wrote: »
    If it's anything like the Grand Canal route, it will be a huge success. Any word on how far west the route will go? Further than Phibsboro?
    It already goes quite far from phibsboro but not all Greenway standard. Eventually I think will go to Mullingar at least if not all way to Shannon


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,686 ✭✭✭✭Zubeneschamali


    plodder wrote: »
    It already goes quite far from phibsboro but not all Greenway standard. Eventually I think will go to Mullingar at least if not all way to Shannon

    If it gets to Mullingar, then the railway-line Greenway to Athlone will be the next stage.


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