Dublin GAA Discussion Thread MOD WARNING POST #2944

ProudDUB · 20-04-2014 12:47PM

If someone acts like a moron, they act like a moron. Physically threatening a ref, is the act of a moron. Point the finger all you want at the fans of other counties, if it it makes you feel better. Get as huffy as you want about the Cavan supporters in Portlaoise being labeled. It doesn't distract anyone from the fact that if they weren't actually acting like complete morons, no one would have to label them anything.

If any Dublin supporter did anything like that, I'd want them banned from the game for life. Cavan fans not calling for the same and going on the offensive instead, just makes them look like morons too imo.

Lemlin · 20-04-2014 12:53PM

ProudDUB wrote: »

If someone acts like a moron, they act like a moron. Physically threatening a ref, is the act of a moron. Point the finger all you want at the fans of other counties, if it it makes you feel better. Get as huffy as you want about the Cavan supporters in Portlaoise being labeled. It doesn't distract anyone from the fact that if they weren't actually acting like complete morons, no one would have to label them anything.

If any Dublin supporter did anything like that, I'd want them banned from the game for life. Cavan fans not calling for the same and going on the offensive instead, just makes them look like morons too imo.

You lads are great at deflecting away from the game. I don't disagree with any of what you said. Say whatever you like about the fans. I didn't go on any offensive re the fans after the game.

Now, can we discuss the actual game and the dreadful display by the referee.

Discuss the 60+ minutes before the lunacy at the end. Discuss the inconsistent appliance by the referee of the black card and advantage rules. Discuss how he didn't play enough extra time at the end. Those are the actual issues from the match that took place.

Hammer Archer · 20-04-2014 02:15PM

Lemlin and Slattsy, both of ye cut out the stupid, childish posts. You're both at it.

fta93 · 20-04-2014 03:21PM

Lemlin wrote: »

It's clear to see alright. Can't even stay consistent in his views. One minute it was a soft free, the next it's 100% a free.

One minute Dillon's black card was harsh, the next he is disagreeing with me saying it was harsh.

I'm not getting into an argument, but maybe if the two of ye are going to keep accusing me of being biased and inconsistent, at least quote me or reply to my posts about why I am, rather than sniping behind my back.

I never once said Dillon's black wasn't harsh. Find me proof if you say so. I have stated 3 times that it was wrong/harsh. Stop making things up.

Lemlin · 20-04-2014 06:33PM

fta93 wrote: »

I'm not getting into an argument, but maybe if the two of ye are going to keep accusing me of being biased and inconsistent, at least quote me or reply to my posts about why I am, rather than sniping behind my back.

I never once said Dillon's black wasn't harsh. Find me proof if you say so. I have stated 3 times that it was wrong/harsh. Stop making things up.

Your reply when I said the Dillon black card was incorrect:

They're all your opinions. From my view, two are possibly wrong - the Dillon one and the time-keeping one (in anyway, time keeping is completely at the referee's discretion).
Arguable decisions don't merit bottle-throwing, spitting, and verbal abuse.

You say above that me saying the Dillon card was incorrect is "possibly wrong" after initially saying it was "harsh".

By the way folks, I've yet to hear anyone commenting on Costelloe going down on a Cavan man with his two knees two minutes into the second half. Referee moved it up but failed to produce black card.

McHugh is also expecting to get a black card in the Moynagh incident. He is getting ready to walk off the pitch when the ref inexplicably, even to him, produces the yellow.

You can't blame the Dublin players. Just the official.

Kavrocks · 20-04-2014 09:07PM

Refereeing is not easy. Everybody looks at games through rose tinted glasses and everybody has a completely different perspective on how games should be refereed. The majority of people do not know the rules, its not their job to but the extent to which some people vehemently voice their opinion on refereeing is a joke. I agree poor refereeing should be highlighted but constructively and without slander, threats or anything else that should not be seen in sport. Referee's are humans too and just like any player they can have their good days and their bad days. Allowances are made for players who have bad days but not referee's. There is a huge imbalance when it comes to referee's.

If you feel so strongly about a poor refereeing decision or referee then do something about it. Contact the GAA with valid suggestions to improve the standard of refereeing or at least make the job a tiny bit easier for them. Become a referee yourself and see what it takes and what its like. There are very few inter-county referee's and its really not surprising with the abuse they get.

Something I hear quite often is 'Who would want to be referee?'

Dublin are into an U21 Football All-Ireland Final, a Division 1 League Final, secured their place in Division 1A of the Hurling for next year and countless other many great things. There are so many positives for Dublin GAA right now we should enjoy them while we can.

Syferus · 21-04-2014 12:34AM

Thought I'd put these here because putting them on the Cavan thread might be a little too much like salting the wound:

The top of Jack's head was too fast for my camera's image sensor to catch:

Apparently Argue alone wasn't enough of a challenge for the Dublin midfield:

bobbysands81 · 21-04-2014 08:39AM

Saint Sonner wrote: »

Hi I am looking some advice.

I will be moving to dublin within next couple of weeks and I am looking to get an appropriate Football club in the stillorgan area. I know kilmacud are there however I want to be sure I go to someone that is right for my level.

I played senior club football then intermediate club football for my club in Tyrone for the last 10 years. I was never close to county standard but I would have been okay on the club scene. I would like to continue playing football down here.

Anyone any helpful advice.

Thanks

Have you given consideration to Naomh Olaf GAA club? They're in the vicinity of Stillorgan.

http://www.naomholaf.ie

bobbysands81 · 21-04-2014 08:55AM

muincav wrote: »

How can you say "Dublin fans" have behaved better than the people "masquerading" as Cavan fans today? Im old enough to know and have seen different,,,,thats why there was HUGE FENCES at the Hill16 my friend...I do know the Cavan ref you mean too and I totally agree....and agree with being dealt harshly in some games especially against Kerry and Meath, but today was a total disgrace by the ref...it was so obvious and blatant....kinda reminds me of when you watch a game and the ref gives some strange calls and everyone says "aw the ref is playing for a DRAW" to bring in more for the GAA....What you have to remember is, FOUR squads of young players went out today to play a match after having trained, and gave up a social life for who knows how long with their hopes hearts and dreams set on an All Ireland Final, but knowing only two could prevail.Even after All that to go out on BAD calls is even more heartbreaking for those players and CAN be enough to ruin their faith in the GAA....I know one of the Cavan players who gave up a promising soccer career to concentrate on the Under 21 campaign and he was blatantly fouled (more so than any) in the last 10 mins and was astonished that he didnt get the free, but what he did get from that moment is that the officials WERE NOT going to let Cavan win.....

Throughout the country there's an inherent bias, dislike, disregard, hatred (call it what you want) for the Dubs for whatever reason, that's how the Irish people generally feel about the Dubs.

In general, It's only logical that referees will also have these feelings towards Dublin.

Lemlin · 21-04-2014 09:19AM

bobbysands81 wrote: »

Throughout the country there's an inherent bias, dislike, disregard, hatred (call it what you want) for the Dubs for whatever reason, that's how the Irish people generally feel about the Dubs.

In general, It's only logical that referees will also have these feelings towards Dublin.

Or it's logical that in 2003 Dublin went out of the Championship early and the GAA lost huge revenue.

The following year Dublin ended up in the qualifiers again and got probably the easiest run ever seen to keep them in the championship.

It stands to reason that the GAA want Dublin to do well due to the increased revenue.

ArielAtom · 21-04-2014 09:22AM

Lemlin wrote: »

Or it's logical that in 2003 Dublin went out if the Championship early and the GAA lost huge revenue.

The following year Dublin ended up in the qualifiers again and got probably the easiest run ever seen to keep them in the championship.

It stands to reason that the GAA want Dublin to do well due to the increased revenue.

So now the GAA are fixing the opposition for Dublin to progress. Grow up.

Lemlin · 21-04-2014 09:25AM

ArielAtom wrote: »

So now the GAA are fixing the opposition for Dublin to progress. Grow up.

I made the same point years ago. Have you ever seen a team get a run in the qualifiers like London, Leitrim and Longford?

Then to get Roscommon, the then easiest of the teams left, in the last 12.

There was widespread belief that the Qualifier draw used to be fixed when it wasn't completed live in the early days. In 2003 Jason Sherlock announced Dublin would be playing Armagh at a Childline concert before the draw was released.

The GAA conveniently got a money spinning replay of the 2002 semi final that year. Dublin went out and in 2004 when they ended up back in the qualifiers they got the easiest run ever seen.

This followed widespread reports of how the GAA had lost huge revenue due to Dublin's unexpected early exit in 2003.

You go through the 15 years of draws to show me where a county has got a draw like that.

ArielAtom · 21-04-2014 09:27AM

Lemlin wrote: »

I made the same point years ago. Have you ever seen a team get a run in the qualifiers like London, Leitrim and Longford?

Then to get Roscommon, the then easiest of the teams left, in the last 12.

So what you are saying is that you have been talking Sh1t for years. Enoughr said. Jog on.

Lemlin · 21-04-2014 09:33AM

ArielAtom wrote: »

So what you are saying is that you have been talking Sh1t for years. Enoughr said. Jog on.

Debate my point then. Pick out where a team has received an easier draw. I've posted my points above.

London, Leitrim, Longford and Roscommon.

ArielAtom · 21-04-2014 09:41AM

Lemlin wrote: »

Debate my point then. Pick out where a team has received an easier draw. I've posted my points above.

London, Leitrim, Longford and Roscommon.

It's not up for debate. If you feel that is happening it has to be brought to congress, very serious allegations, that or the ramblings of a man who has a gripe with losing an u21 match and has gone so far off subject he is now accusing the GAA of match fixing!!!!

Lemlin · 21-04-2014 09:47AM

ArielAtom wrote: »

It's not up for debate. If you feel that is happening it has to be brought to congress, very serious allegations, that or the ramblings of a man who has a gripe with losing an u21 match and has gone so far off subject he is now accusing the GAA of match fixing!!!!

Why is it not up for debate? I've posed a question. The qualifiers started in 2001 so you've near 15 years worth of data to work through. Find an easier draw for any team through four rounds than Dublin's in 2004.

A draw which followed a year where it was widely accepted the GAA lost huge revenue through Dublin's early exit in 2003.

As I said, a quick search shows I previously made this point in 2009, long before any U21 game.

These "allegations" (I'd call it a theory tbh) have been made by many, including journalists who wrote on it at the time.

There were just too many convenient draws about Dublin opposition in those years.

bohsboy · 21-04-2014 10:46AM

Id also like to hear your opinion on the missing Air Malaysian flight?

Would you ever get a grip. Typical anti-Dub chip on the shoulder.

Stoner · 21-04-2014 11:22AM

In light of the behaviour the we saw on Saturday night a supporter of the defeated team wants to discuss the behaviour of Dublin fans in the past.

Another debate to to kick off is the draws received by the winning team over a decade ago.

Lemlin, I'm sure you were not involved in what happened after the game on Saturday night (April 2014). Unfortunately every County has an element of support that have the potential to embarrass genuine supporters like yourself.

Unfortunately you'll get your chance to have a go back at most counties, and I've no doubt that you'll take that opportunity.
At this time the spotlight is on the Cavan supporters , players and management that were recorded after the game on Saturday night. I completely understand your frustration with some of the posts and the mass reaction on other social media.
However if this was Dublin supporters and in your case too I'm going to add in Kildare supporters that were involved in the aftermath of the game with respect to the treatment of the ref on Saturday night please consider how you would have responded here on boards about it. The behaviour not the game.

Personally I look at such behaviour as a problem for the GAA not Cavan in isolation to address. I think that is the way most people see it. I certainly don't see the behaviour we witnessed on Saturday night as beneath most other Counties.

All that said this is getting off topic for this thread. I'm staying off the Cavan thread as I'm sure they don't want to hear from me on this issue. This is a GAA issue.

Lemlin · 21-04-2014 11:42AM

Stoner wrote: »

Another debate to to kick off is the draws received by the winning team over a decade ago.

That debate was kicked off by a supporter suggesting Dublin get a hard time from inter county referees. I countered with a theory I read on many occasions during the time. I lived in Dublin from 2001 until 2007 and had involvement with Brigids GAA club in Blanch so I'm familiar with alot of Dublin GAA at the time. I attended alot if games. Lets face it Cavan weren't giving me too many trips to Croker.

Tbh I'm not interested in discussing after the game. As I've said, Dublin supporters are more than happy to use it to deflect away from the game itself and the dreadful refereeing. What happened was wrong and it's up to the powers that be to deal with it.

I'd be intrrested in hearing your opinion on Costelloe using two knees at 32 minutes to go down on a Cavan man on the ground? I've yet to hear anyone here comment on that. He then scored the winning point.

Or comment on the fact that McHugh is clearly preparing to walk off the pitch, expecting a black card and cannot believe it when he is blessed with a yellow. He scored the equalising point.

Or how the advantage rule was practiced for Dublin at the end of the game, whether it was a foul or not, but not for Cavan st the end if the first half.

Then there's the additional time. 2 minutes on the button played despite the time wasted by the injury.

Yes, Cavan only scored 1 point in 25 minutes and did contribute to their own downfall but its very hard when 50/50 decisions continually go against you.

Slattsy · 21-04-2014 11:43AM

The lolz

Lemlin · 21-04-2014 11:46AM

bohsboy wrote: »

Id also like to hear your opinion on the missing Air Malaysian flight?

Would you ever get a grip. Typical anti-Dub chip on the shoulder.

Tommy Tiernan reckons it's in the wide open space between Laois and Offaly called Carlow.

As I said, I've posted reasoning behind the theory. Post some reasoning to discount it.

I've often seen journalists suggest that World Cup draws were often rigged in the past. They are alot larger than GAA qualifier draws.

There are 15 years or so worth of draws there. Find where a team got an easier draw than London, Leitrim, Longford and Roscommon and comment then.

As I said above, there were an awful lot of coincidences about the draws and Dublin back then.

Have a read here:

http://www.thefreelibrary.com/GAA:+OUR+TOUGHEST+TEST+BY+FARR;+BANK+OF+IRELAND+FOOTBALL+QUALIFYING...-a0119826002

It's been suggested the GAA are giving Dublin an armed escort to the All-Ireland quarter-finals but Farrell does not believe for one minute that their blessed route is down to anything more than good luck.

That journalist certainly saw enough in the rumours to ask Dessie Farrell about it at the time.

ArielAtom · 21-04-2014 11:52AM

Lemlin wrote: »

Tommy Tiernan reckons it's in the wide open space between Laois and Offaly called Carlow.

As I said, I've posted reasoning behind the theory. Post some reasoning to discount it.

I've often seen journalists suggest that World Cup draws were often rigged in the past. They are alot larger than GAA qualifier draws.

There are 15 years or so worth of draws there. Find where a team got an easier draw than London, Leitrim, Longford and Roscommon and comment then.

As I said above, there were an awful lot of coincidences about the draws and Dublin back then.

Lemlin,

As I have stated, very serious allegations from you. I will not discuss/debate them. Put a motion to congress through your club for a full investigation into your allegations of draw fixing.

Lemlin · 21-04-2014 11:58AM

ArielAtom wrote: »

Lemlin,

As I have stated, very serious allegations from you. I will not discuss/debate them. Put a motion to congress through your club for a full investigation into your allegations of draw fixing.

They aren't allegations. It's called a theory. Plenty of people have theories about different items.

As I've posted above, a journalist saw fit to ask Dessie Farrell about the theory at the time. He didn't laugh at the idea either. He answered the question.

So if someone would actually care to answer the query I've posted. In 14 or 15 years of draws, find me where a team has played 4 teams as weak as London, Leitrim, Longford and Roscommon. 3 Connacht teams in four games.

Slattsy · 21-04-2014 12:00PM

Lemlin · 21-04-2014 12:08PM

Another convenient draw from 2012:

http://www.thescore.ie/liam-oneill-it-was-outrageous-to-suggest-that-a-draw-would-be-rigged-508739-Jul2012/

GAA stars like Meath’s Seamus Kenny, Wexford’s Ciaran Lyng and Tipperary’s Padraic Maher all subsequently used the social media site to intimate that the draw was fixed. However O’Neil has hit back at those theories, which he labelled as slanderous against him.

To try and state I have invented this theory myself lads is blatantly incorrect. The articles above prove that.

Stoner · 21-04-2014 12:11PM

Lemlin wrote: »

I'd be intrrested in hearing your opinion on Costelloe using two knees at 32 minutes to

At 32 minutes I thought Costello should have received a black card for what looked like a trip.

At 9 minutes I thought a cavan player deserved a black card for flooring a Dublin player late after he played the ball stopping him form running on to receive it again.

Out of the four black card offences I thought I saw during the game, two were for Cavan. Only one was punished

Of the four the McHugh one I thought was the least clear cut as he initially went for that ball and the Cavan player aided process by clearly pulling the Dublin player into him and going down with him. It could have been a black card on another day but out of the four it was the least clear cut IMHO.

The Cavan Black card was 100% correct imo the player was past him completely and he was dragged down from behind.

The annoying thing from a Cavan perspective was that the Dublin player was running towards his own goal and the who thing was almost needless.

If you want to discuss what happened at 31 minutes in the game, rewind to 9 minutes it is a very similar offence to the one Richie Feeney received a black card for in the Club Final.

I will say that watching the free at the end that it was soft, but that was in the replay initially it looked worse that it was but it was a rough way to go out.

However if you want to to talk about blackcards avoided do it for both sides. Also if you are "not interested" in talking about what happened after the game why are you interested in Dublin supporters over the years and Dublin run in the championship 11 years ago.

Unfortunately Lemlin there is no "I'm not interested" in talking about that card to play here.

If you like to sling stuff around you have to be prepared to take some too.

ArielAtom · 21-04-2014 12:31PM

Lemlin wrote: »

They aren't allegations. It's called a theory. Plenty of people have theories about different items.

As I've posted above, a journalist saw fit to ask Dessie Farrell about the theory at the time. He didn't laugh at the idea either. He answered the question.

So if someone would actually care to answer the query I've posted. In 14 or 15 years of draws, find me where a team has played 4 teams as weak as London, Leitrim, Longford and Roscommon. 3 Connacht teams in four games.

To me a theory pit in writing is an allegation and a very serious one. I hope you have evidence to back up your "theory". Name the people who arranged the draw and fixed it for Dublin to get an easy ride. If you have no proof I think it's time you shut up.

Lemlin · 21-04-2014 12:36PM

Stoner wrote: »

At 32 minutes I thought Costello should have received a black card for what looked like a trip.

At 9 minutes I thought a cavan player deserved a black card for flooring a Dublin player late after he played the ball stopping him form running on to receive it again.

Out of the four black card offences I thought I saw during the game, two were for Cavan. Only one was punished

Of the four the McHugh one I thought was the least clear cut as he initially went for that ball and the Cavan player aided process by clearly pulling the Dublin player into him and going down with him. It could have been a black card on another day but out of the four it was the least clear cut IMHO.

The Cavan Black card was 100% correct imo the player was past him completely and he was dragged down from behind.

The annoying thing from a Cavan perspective was that the Dublin player was running towards his own goal and the who thing was almost needless.

If you want to discuss what happened at 31 minutes in the game, rewind to 9 minutes it is a very similar offence to the one Richie Feeney received a black card for in the Club Final.

I will say that watching the free at the end that it was soft, but that was in the replay initially it looked worse that it was but it was a rough way to go out.

However if you want to to talk about blackcards avoided do it for both sides. Also if you are "not interested" in talking about what happened after the game why are you interested in Dublin supporters over the years and Dublin run in the championship 11 years ago.

Unfortunately Lemlin there is no "I'm not interested" in talking about that card to play here.

If you like to sling stuff around you have to be prepared to take some too.

I have the recording here and will have a look at 9 minutes into the game.

Moynagh had been fouled and was going to ground before he grabbed McHugh's jersey. You can clearly see in the the recording, McHugh is expecting to go.

Of the four black card offences, only one was awarded to Cavan. So that means Dublin still "got away it" twice to Cavan's once even in your views.

I'm not interested in talking about the conduct of Dublin supporters over the years. I brought the point up in response to mud slinging at Cavan supporters. Every county has its idiots as you say yourself. The fact is its all too easy for lads here to concentrate on after the game and not during the game. Cavan players were also called "thugs" so I brought up the point of Diarmuid Connolly. I don't see how that is unfair.

I've said there's no excuse for it. I don't know what else I can say. The powers that be should provide sanctions against those involved. What more is there for me to say on the subject? That's why I wanted to concentrate on the game itself.

Lemlin · 21-04-2014 12:43PM

ArielAtom wrote: »

To me a theory pit in writing is an allegation and a very serious one. I hope you have evidence to back up your "theory". Name the people who arranged the draw and fixed it for Dublin to get an easy ride. If you have no proof I think it's time you shut up.

What legislation is that under then? I thought there was a thing called free speech.

I've yet to hear of that journalist from 2004 or the numerous others who wrote about the theory having legal action taken against them.

Or the three GAA players named above who Tweeted about the theory in 2012. Liam O'Neill even commented on them directly. Has any action been taken against them?

Those are actual lads who are intercounty players suggesting it. They play the game and probably hear alot more of what is going on than me or you. So if they can entertain the idea, why do you find it so alien?

I've posted the proof behind the theory. I've yet to see your proof to disprove it. As I said, and will say yet again, 15 years worth of draws, find me one for a team like that 2004 draw Dublin had.

That 2004 draw that came the year after the GAA had huge revenue loss from Dublin exiting the championship early in the qualifiers.

As the journalist put it, "It's been suggested the GAA are giving Dublin an armed escort to the All-Ireland quarter-finals".

Moneymaker · 21-04-2014 01:06PM

The last two pages of this thread have been embarrassing to read.

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