Dublin GAA Discussion Thread MOD WARNING POST #2944

Frankie Lee

In fairness to Lemlin when the Qualifier draws were televised it used to be a total farce. The balls were lined up in order in a bowl and spun around without changing order. This was all overseen by someone from Bank of Ireland to make sure things were above board. The amateur nature of these draws fertilized the notion of dodgy goings on. These days moving the draw to radio hasn't helped coupled with the fact that draws in recent years have tended to include plenty of local derbys and grudge matches.

TouchingVirus

Why in the name of jaysus are we talking about match fixing, qualifier draws being televised live, the 2004 run in the qualifiers and all of this stuff that doesn't really have anything in particular to do with Dublin GAA here in 2014? This thread turned into a tragedy about 2 or 3 pages ago with tit-for-tat disagreements on an U21 match; is there any hope we might get back to business or should I just unsubscribe now?

LeoB

Lemlin wrote: »

Note the word "former" in the headline. That happened in 2010 and Gaynor hadn't played for Cavan for years.

If you want something more recent:

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/bonner-facing-gaa-life-ban-if-guilty-of-drug-taking-26329498.html

Tbh, this is going down a tit for tat road that I'm not interested in. For Dublin supporters to be labelling others is a bit rich is all I was getting at.

Enjoy the final. I wish I could say good luck but I'm bitter and won't even attempt to hide it.

We will enjoy the final.

Bitter is putting it mildly. Very unsporting of you. You have clawed at everything you can in your bitterness but it aint going to change anything. Cavan players made far more errors than any official or any Dublin player. Cavan had chances during the game but didn't have a clue how to execute them because they were too focused on defensive roles instead of giving it a lash. Take a close look at Cavan tactics and the errors their players made during the game.

Did you check the video yet, at 9 minutes?

Did you ever think of a career in politics. You would be right at home in the Dail (bar)

Time for Dubs to move on or we will be dragged back in time

charlie14

I watch the Dublin v Cavan game on Saturday, and as a Donegal man whose team were defeated by Cavan in the Ulster final I have no dog in this fight, but in my humble opinion for what it`s worth, Cavan were blatantly robbed.
Mc Hugh who scored the equaliser should not have been on the pitch. A stone cold black card, especially in light of the one recieved by the Cavan corner forward, and the so called foul (dubious in the first places), given that the ref gave advantage and the player got his shot away and hit the post, should never have been called back. Or have I missed the new rule that says given the advantage and you don`t score, then you still get the free!
Other than a certain Mr. Duffy, the worst ten minutes of refereeing I`ve seen in a long long time, plus, with an objection from Cavan lodged, that game should never have been played in Portlaoise.

Hammer Archer

Lemlin, I think it's best for everyone if you bow out of the Dublin thread for now. I understand you're angry about the game, but a lot of your posts here (especially in the last 24 hours) have gone far beyond debating last weekend's game and are only derailing the thread.

Kavrocks

charlie14 wrote: »

given that the ref gave advantage and the player got his shot away and hit the post, should never have been called back. Or have I missed the new rule that says given the advantage and you don`t score, then you still get the free!

If a player shoots whilst the referee is playing advantage and he doesn't score the referee is entitled to bring play back and award a free kick as he did in this case.

smileyj1987

charlie14 wrote: »

plus, with an objection from Cavan lodged, that game should never have been played in Portlaoise.

Haven't they played the U21 finals in port laoise for a while now ? I know last years semis where there .

Frankie Lee

smileyj1987 wrote: »

Haven't they played the U21 finals in port laoise for a while now ? I know last years semis where there .

Last years semi finals were in Tullamore which was fair enough except for Cork. This year Tullamore would have been reasonable enough for Cavan, Roscommon and Dublin but Cork would have been shafted again. Portlaoise was still reasonable enough for all counties concerned.

charlie14

Kavrocks wrote: »

If a player shoots whilst the referee is playing advantage and he doesn't score the referee is entitled to bring play back and award a free kick as he did in this case.

Surely that cannot be right. What happens if it`s 45 metres or more out when he shoots?

bobbysands81

Lemlin wrote: »

Why is it not up for debate? I've posed a question. The qualifiers started in 2001 so you've near 15 years worth of data to work through. Find an easier draw for any team through four rounds than Dublin's in 2004.

A draw which followed a year where it was widely accepted the GAA lost huge revenue through Dublin's early exit in 2003.

As I said, a quick search shows I previously made this point in 2009, long before any U21 game.

These "allegations" (I'd call it a theory tbh) have been made by many, including journalists who wrote on it at the time.

There were just too many convenient draws about Dublin opposition in those years.

But you're offering absolutely no evidence to back up your assertion.

There might not have been an easier draw for a team in the last 15 years... but that proves absolutely nothing other than it's been the easiest draw any team has gotten in 15 years.

The chip on the shoulder never ceases to amaze me I'm just surprised that you're not using this as a reason as to why Dublin should be split into two teams.

bren2001

charlie14 wrote: »

Surely that cannot be right. What happens if it`s 45 metres or more out when he shoots?

If there is no advantage to the team that is fouled, the referee can call it back for the original foul. Doesn't matter if you are 45 metres out or 21.

Past30Now

Dublin vs Derry - League Final - This weekend?

It hasn't been cancelled as a mark of respect for David Moyes's managerial career with United. It is still on.

Anyhow, assuming all players available (Excluding Kevin O'Brien and Ciaran Kilkenny, ignoring small injuries and suspensions) who would be picked for a first fifteen.

My line up would be Cluxton, Cooper, O'Carroll, McMahon, McCaffrey, Nolan, McCarthy, MDMA, O'Sullivan, Flynn, Connolly, Brogan A, Costello, O'Gara and Brogan B.

Of those fifteen, I think 12 could be reasonably certain of a start, with Nolan, Costello and O'Gara competing with Brennan, Darren Daly,Paddy Andrews, Paul Mannion, Kevin Mc and Jason Whelan for the last three spots. I thought Costello looked significantly more dangerous than Paul Mannion at the weekend.

Moneymaker

Past30Now wrote: »

Dublin vs Derry - League Final - This weekend?

It hasn't been cancelled as a mark of respect for David Moyes's managerial career with United. It is still on.

Past30Now

My point is that we are playing in a massive match at the weekend, and the last four pages in this thread have been mostly dedicated to ignoring/highlighting the bad behaviour of a number of individuals and their appalling abuse of a referee.

ProudDUB

Past30Now wrote: »

Dublin vs Derry - League Final - This weekend?

It hasn't been cancelled as a mark of respect for David Moyes's managerial career with United. It is still on.

Anyhow, assuming all players available (Excluding Kevin O'Brien and Ciaran Kilkenny, ignoring small injuries and suspensions) who would be picked for a first fifteen.

My line up would be Cluxton, Cooper, O'Carroll, McMahon, McCaffrey, Nolan, McCarthy, MDMA, O'Sullivan, Flynn, Connolly, Brogan A, Costello, O'Gara and Brogan B.

Of those fifteen, I think 12 could be reasonably certain of a start, with Nolan, Costello and O'Gara competing with Brennan, Darren Daly,Paddy Andrews, Paul Mannion, Kevin Mc and Jason Whelan for the last three spots. I thought Costello looked significantly more dangerous than Paul Mannion at the weekend.

Shyte. I just spat my coffee all over meself reading that. :D:D

Think that BB, Alan B, Flynn, DC are nailed on starters up front. I know that CC is the great white hope of Dublin football, but I don't think that it is a given that a starting jersey is automatically his. It may be soon, but it isn't just yet, at least not to the degree that he gets it over Kevin Mc, EO'G or Paddy Andrews, or even Dean Rock when he gets back from injury.

Based purely on league form, you'd have to give the other 2 spots to Kevin Mc and EO'G. However, Gavin may want to keep them in reserve to keep our bench as strong as it was last year. He has often said that he wants to finish games with his strongest 15 and not start the game with his strongest 15, so you never know.

copacetic

Costello has shown well this year and doing fine for 21s. We shouldn't need to have a look at him again. Mannion needs the game more and we should be thinking much more about that than fielding the strongest side. Otherwise I'd leave the 21s out at the start and maybe give them the final experience a little later in the game if required.

I'd like to see Brennan given a run, McCarthy or Flynn start in midfield and Connolly played in the A.Brogan role, with Alan given a run inside to look at those options for later in the year also, or in case of injury. Alan has been in great form, but we are starting to look reliant on him again. I'd even go as far as to see how we get on without MDMA starting.

Godge

Past30Now wrote: »

Dublin vs Derry - League Final - This weekend?

It hasn't been cancelled as a mark of respect for David Moyes's managerial career with United. It is still on.

Anyhow, assuming all players available (Excluding Kevin O'Brien and Ciaran Kilkenny, ignoring small injuries and suspensions) who would be picked for a first fifteen.

My line up would be Cluxton, Cooper, O'Carroll, McMahon, McCaffrey, Nolan, McCarthy, MDMA, O'Sullivan, Flynn, Connolly, Brogan A, Costello, O'Gara and Brogan B.

Of those fifteen, I think 12 could be reasonably certain of a start, with Nolan, Costello and O'Gara competing with Brennan, Darren Daly,Paddy Andrews, Paul Mannion, Kevin Mc and Jason Whelan for the last three spots. I thought Costello looked significantly more dangerous than Paul Mannion at the weekend.

I read today that Farrell and Gavin have agreed that the U-21s won't be included on Sunday which means McCaffrey, Costello and Mannion are out of consideration.

If Ger Brennan is back, he can fit in at 6 with McCarthy and Nolan and one of Andrews, Kevin Mac and Whelan for the last spot.

ProudDUB

I don't think we'll see Ger Brennan back for this game. He was carrying a pretty serious knock into the Vincents club champo game. He is using the time between his last Vincents game and, our first Leinster champo game to rehab the injury. Methinks that Gavin is fine with that. He knows what Ger Brennan brings to the table. He is also coming off a very busy off season with his club. There is no need to play him on Sunday, just to give him game time.

TouchingVirus

I miss having Ger at halfback - when he shows up and is on form he shuts down even the best of them. That being said I'd rather have him for the championship if he is indeed carrying knocks and looking for time off to heal up.

I would rest Cluxton and give Sean Currie another day out. We know what Stephen has in the tank, he's as reliable as good weather during the Leaving Cert for the most part. Currie's relatively unproven at intercounty and would really benefit from another swing at it. The backline has to be Cooper, O'Carroll and Philly; Michael Fitz has had a serious drop in form and needs to come up to their level. The half-back is little less settled - McCaffrey hasn't started recently if I'm not mistaken so I'd give him a go. McCarthy could go with another run too since he's not as potent as I've seen him. The centre half back is up for grabs - I'd mostly plug for Nolan, moving Cian O'Sullivan into midfield, resting MDMA and giving Davy Byrne his second run. Leave O'Mahony off the bench (dare I say panel!) following his previous shocker. Alan Brogan wide at 12, Dermot Connelly at 11 and Flynn at 10. Full forwards would be Bernard, O'Gara and Paddy Andrews

Stoner

Past30nows team looks good to me. Maybe Brennan in for Nolan, I think Nolan has looked good this year certainly better in the half back line than Cooper, that would be my strongest back line, I agree with 1 to 4. I think Brennan needs a game now, would like to see Bastic too but it might be too early for him.
Compared to last year Rock has had no impact. He might find it hard to get back into the team as Alan Brogan and Costello are in the mix now too.

Coopers position at the moment is very much in the corner IMHO, plus I think Mahon might be a possible number 3 if needed, not great there but certainly played better this year in there than Cooper or Brady did last year.

Not getting the goals like last year but I liked the way the team pushed for points when turning over cork recently.

I don't know if we'll see much of Whelan in the championship but I think he's contributed more this year than last and is showing a steady improvement.

All on all I'm very happy with what was thrown up by the league win or loose we've had the max amount of games. I would just have liked to see a bit more of Brennan, Bastic and most importantly Rock as I think he needs game time but the other two boys could possibly just slot in, but Rocks accuracy might be needed in tighter games against Ulster teams later on if Dublin get that far.

Gael85

Stoner wrote: »

Past30nows team looks good to me. Maybe Brennan in for Nolan, I think Nolan has looked good this year certainly better in the half back line than Cooper, that would be my strongest back line, I agree with 1 to 4. I think Brennan needs a game now, would like to see Bastic too but it might be too early for him.
Compared to last year Rock has had no impact. He might find it hard to get back into the team as Alan Brogan and Costello are in the mix now too.

Coopers position at the moment is very much in the corner IMHO, plus I think Mahon might be a possible number 3 if needed, not great there but certainly played better this year in there than Cooper or Brady did last year.

Not getting the goals like last year but I liked the way the team pushed for points when turning over cork recently.

I don't know if we'll see much of Whelan in the championship but I think he's contributed more this year than last and is showing a steady improvement.

All on all I'm very happy with what was thrown up by the league win or loose we've had the max amount of games. I would just have liked to see a bit more of Brennan, Bastic and most importantly Rock as I think he needs game time but the other two boys could possibly just slot in, but Rocks accuracy might be needed in tighter games against Ulster teams later on if Dublin get that far.

Rock,Bastic&Brennan wont be back until Championship.u21 players will be rested next Sunday.

ProudDUB

Agree that we missed Brennan this Spring. He rarely makes the headlines for doing the flashy stuff. But when he is not there, that is when you realize how much we rely on him to steady the ship at the back. He is also a vital link man when Cluxton decides to go short on the kick outs. Would rather he rest up more, if need be. We'll really need him come August/September.

I disagree about resting Cluxton. We have a shot at a fairly major piece of silverware & our first champo game is next up on the agenda. The time has arrived to start playing with our strongest hand & get everyone all playing together as a unit.

I don't think that Sunday is the time to be experimenting with new players, or playing others, for no other reason to give them game time. The time for that was during the O'Byrne Cup and the earlier rounds of the league. I rarely criticize Jim Gavin's decisions. But I do think that he did make a mistake in playing Cluxton so often in the first few league games & not giving Currie valuable game time then. But that is a mistake that he can't undo now. He can rethink all that come next Spring. I don't think he should be trying to do it this late in the year.

Dean Rock missed most of the league last year, coz he was off with his club. But when he did join up with the inter county panel, he made an impact right straight away. He didn't seem to need any time to gel with the other players or get up to speed. Fingers crossed that happens again this year, when he is recovered from his injury.

corny

Always a big admirer of Brennans defensive abilities but for my money his kick passing is unmatched in the Dublin team. I wouldn't say we rely on him to attack or anything but he adds a lot at CB.

If fit and healthy, himself and Dean Rock will firmly establish themselves in the 15 by late summer imo.

I can see the forwards being Flynn, Rock, Connolly, Brogan, Brogan, Andrews/O Gara.

Gael85

Dubs make three changes for NFL final against Derry 25/04/2014
Bernard Brogan will start his first match for Dublin since last September's All-Ireland SFC final when the Dubs face Derry in this Sunday's NFL Division 1 final at Croke Park (4.0).
The St Oliver Plunkett's/Eoghan Ruadh man was sprung from the bench in Dublin's semi-final victory over Cork to telling effect, scoring five points (three frees).
There are two other changes to the starting 15 from the one which began against the Rebels last time out with Cian O'Sullivan returning to action at midfield, in place of Declan O'Mahony while Eoghan O'Gara will line out at full-forward with Kevin McManamon making way in the attack.

DUBLIN (SF v Derry)
Stephen Cluxton (Parnell's)
Philly McMahon (Ballymun Kickhams)
Rory O'Carroll (Kilmacud Crokes)
Jonny Cooper (Na Fianna)
James McCarthy (Ballymun Kickhams)
Nicky Devereux (Ballinteer St John's)
Kevin Nolan (Kilmacud Crokes)
Michael Darragh Macauley (Ballyboden St Enda's)
Cian O'Sullivan (Kilmacud Crokes)
Paul Flynn (Fingallians)
Paddy Andrews (St Brigid's)
Diarmuid Connolly (St Vincent's)
Alan Brogan (St Oliver Plunkett's/Eoghan Ruadh)
Eoghan O'Gara (Templeogue Synge St)
Bernard Brogan (St Oliver Plunkett's/Eoghan Ruadh)

ThunbergsAreGo

Cannot see that team starting

Think we have seen two changes before each league game so far

bohsboy

I agree with the earlier poster. Start with the strongest team possible. I wouldn't be resting anyone.

Its a significant trophy and should be respected as such.

Slattsy

Im not sure about Devereux really lads, but i've not seen enough of him to make final judgement.
Do you think he'll cut the mustard and make it this year?

Flukey

bohsboy wrote: »

Start with the strongest team possible. I wouldn't be resting anyone.

Its a significant trophy and should be respected as such.

We have lots of possible strongest teams, so we can afford to rest a few people. It would be hard for us to agree on a definitive 15, so there would be various combinations. Always good to have a few on the bench to spring, just in case of Derry are doing better than we expect or in case of injuries. Every trophy is significant. We, and every county, should take the Mickey Harte approach and try to win everything we can. Minnows should be trying to win the All-Ireland. Otherwise the question arises "Which game do you intend to lose?" Naturally they want to win their next game and will try to do so, and then the next and so on. Derry will want to win today too. We should prevail though. Up the Dubs.

TouchingVirus

Denis Bastick named at 26 on the bench, delighted about that and hope to see him today!

STB

I see there is no thread for the League Final today. Anhoo. The scale of fouling by the Derry team is shocking.

O Gara was looking to keep his shorts in one of the sequences of play in the last 5 minutes.

I also hope this Ulster defensive crap is not sneaking back into the game.