new ICBF Proofs

bogman_bass · 10-04-2014 11:11am #1

proofs are out but not available on bull search
Beef
http://www.icbf.com/?page_id=200

Dairy
http://www.icbf.com/?page_id=202

scroll down a bit for April 2014 proofs

Farrell · 10-04-2014 12:35pm

Does Progressive Genetics not own any of the Bull's on their Beef Catelogue?

Does anyone know anything about this bull?, as in where can you get him? or was he any good?

Code Breed Birth year Name Owner Index reliability within breed across breed Index reliability within breed across breed
AAI CH 2005 ASHLEIGH ADMIRAL EUROGENE/LIC AI BULLS €169 81 5 5 €102 70 5 2.5

Timmaay · 10-04-2014 12:43pm

About 50rows down in the Dairysheet, there is a bull called s1465, with a production subindex of 266!!!! And Protein of +44kgs! Surely a mistake of some sort??

The few I use like PBM, KSK and JKF all down 20points or so hmmm. Can't complain hugely though.

bogman_bass · 10-04-2014 2:19pm

I saw that.

His Protein % has jumped from 0.02 to .55. has to be a typo

bogman_bass · 10-04-2014 2:20pm

Farrell wrote: »

Does Progressive Genetics not own any of the Bull's on their Beef Catelogue?

Does anyone know anything about this bull?, as in where can you get him? or was he any good?

Code Breed Birth year Name Owner Index reliability within breed across breed Index reliability within breed across breed
AAI CH 2005 ASHLEIGH ADMIRAL EUROGENE/LIC AI BULLS €169 81 5 5 €102 70 5 2.5

what makes you say that?

He's a eurogene bull but I dont think he's available any more.

bogman_bass · 10-04-2014 2:21pm

Proofs are up on bull search now

onyerbikepat · 10-04-2014 4:40pm

I see that.
I see that the limousin bull CASTLEVIEW GRINGO ET (GWO) is 6.1% (85% Rel) for calving for 250 calvings. That's not bad considering he is by Vantastic.
I might be using him this year.:cool: He's a fine looking bull.

towzer2010 · 10-04-2014 5:05pm

onyerbikepat wrote: »

I see that.
I see that the limousin bull CASTLEVIEW GRINGO ET (GWO) is 6.1% (85% Rel) for calving for 250 calvings. That's not bad considering he is by Vantastic.
I might be using him this year.:cool: He's a fine looking bull.

You wont be sorry. I have a few class calves off him and am using him again this year plus they are the quietest Lims I've ever had.

tismesoitis · 10-04-2014 5:59pm

don't be expecting to get milky females out of vantastic breeding!! milk is definatly not his strong point!!

Greengrass1 · 10-04-2014 6:22pm

Anyone see YAD? very good fert and milk

Farrell · 10-04-2014 10:34pm

bogman_bass wrote: »

what makes you say that?

He's a eurogene bull but I dont think he's available any more.

He seams to look the part, only a 2005 so thought he should be still around.
Eurogene rep never heard of him.
I'd prefer to use instead of alu

towzer2010 · 11-04-2014 7:44am

Anyone have any calves from the lim bull from dovea kjb?

Impressive looking bull with good figures.

bogman_bass · 11-04-2014 9:32am

Farrell wrote: »

He seams to look the part, only a 2005 so thought he should be still around.
Eurogene rep never heard of him.
I'd prefer to use instead of alu

no why did you say:
"Does Progressive Genetics not own any of the Bull's on their Beef Catelogue?"

tanko · 11-04-2014 10:07am

towzer2010 wrote: »

Anyone have any calves from the lim bull from dovea kjb?

Impressive looking bull with good figures.

Haven't seen any calves off him, he looks the business on paper and looks good in the catalogue too. His calving difficulty figure has stayed low also along with good muscle and milk figures.

towzer2010 · 11-04-2014 11:39am

tanko wrote: »

Haven't seen any calves off him, he looks the business on paper and looks good in the catalogue too. His calving difficulty figure has stayed low also along with good muscle and milk figures.

Ya he seems to have the whole package. I must see if my AI man has straws. I'll try him if he has.

tanko · 11-04-2014 12:16pm

Lennon frosty (FTY) has impressive figures too, apart from docility. Anyone have any calves off him?

on the river · 11-04-2014 12:56pm

heres some from P.G Facebook

onyerbikepat · 11-04-2014 1:05pm

I don't get this. Lennon Frosty is by the well known Wilodge Cerberus (WGE).
Now on the ICBf site. WGE is 18% within breed for docility (92% Rel).
http://webapp.icbf.com/bull-search/view/700635323

But according to Basco Data in the UK, he is +2.7 EBV. Not sure of teh exact percentile, but he is about or just above average (50% within breed). At 95% Rel aswell.
http://www.semenstore.co.uk/limousin/products/wilodge-cerberus.html?section

How do you explain that one?

tanko · 11-04-2014 1:23pm

The docility figure for FTY has a reliability of 31% so it's only really a guess. I was at a meeting recently where a well known rep from an Ai company said that unless any figure for a bull had a reliability over 90% the figure couldn't really be relied on for sure.
Reliability is everything with icbf figures.

Farrell · 11-04-2014 3:10pm

bogman_bass wrote: »

no why did you say:
"Does Progressive Genetics not own any of the Bull's on their Beef Catelogue?"

If you look down the list of Owners, they do not appear on it.
Most of the other AI companies (Bova, Dova, Sligo, Eurogene) are there

vanderbadger · 17-04-2014 3:37pm

towzer2010 wrote: »

Ya he seems to have the whole package. I must see if my AI man has straws. I'll try him if he has.

going trying him on a nice breeding cow now this evening and hope for a heifer..

bogman_bass · 29-08-2014 11:43am

New proofs are up

tanko · 29-08-2014 2:24pm

bogman_bass wrote: »

New proofs are up

GWO and FTY look very good on paper. Have you seen any calves off them yet?

bogman_bass · 29-08-2014 2:33pm

Only photos. GWO seems to be throwing very good stock and not too hard calved.

Haven't heard too much about FTY other than he's easy enough calved

tanko · 29-08-2014 2:56pm

I just had a quick look, is there anything that surprised you on the beef side?

friesian13 · 29-08-2014 8:05pm

when are the ebi profiles goin to be updated?

stanflt · 29-08-2014 8:08pm

friesian13 wrote: »

when are the ebi profiles goin to be updated?

Updated already

friesian13 · 29-08-2014 8:15pm

sorry i meant the ebi report for my own herd.

bogman_bass · 29-08-2014 8:16pm

tanko wrote: »

I just had a quick look, is there anything that surprised you on the beef side?

Didn't get to study that closely myself. KYA very good figures for such an easy calving bull

TVR's calving gone up even higher!

just do it · 29-08-2014 9:15pm

bogman_bass wrote: »

Didn't get to study that closely myself. KYA very good figures for such an easy calving bull

TVR's calving gone up even higher!

Went and had alook at those. How can KYA be 5 star terminal within breed and only be 1 star for carcase weight gain and confirmation within breed? Doesn't make sense

bogman_bass · 29-08-2014 10:02pm

Calving ease has such a big barring on the stars now

onyerbikepat · 29-08-2014 10:07pm

bogman_bass wrote: »

...TVR's calving gone up even higher!

This is what annoys me about the Limousin Society. Nearly every show has been won by a Vantastic son or daughter. What is the point of promoting such a hard calving bull? :mad:

tanko · 29-08-2014 10:09pm

bogman_bass wrote: »

Calving ease has such a big barring on the stars now

Yeah, too much of a bearing I think. Calving ease is important but it can influence the terminal and especially the maternal figures.

What do you think of Fiston bogman?

tanko · 29-08-2014 10:14pm

onyerbikepat wrote: »

This is what annoys me about the Limousin Society. Nearly every show has been won by a Vantastic son or daughter. What is the point of promoting such a hard calving bull? :mad:

Dead right. I didn't hear anyone around the ring at tullamore talking about whether the heifers would have any milk or not.

In fairness GWO doesn't seem to be hard calving and looks like a very good terminal bull.

whelan2 · 29-08-2014 10:23pm

on dairy side ksk up from 268 to 287
yad up from 340 to 342
awb stayed the same at 225
pbm up from 270 to 272
psz down from 301 to 280
abo down from 284 to 276

bogman_bass · 30-08-2014 3:00am

onyerbikepat wrote: »

This is what annoys me about the Limousin Society. Nearly every show has been won by a Vantastic son or daughter. What is the point of promoting such a hard calving bull? :mad:

The same old problem with breed societies; too much focus on the show ring!
I think the recent wave of British sires being used over here are doing the breed damage.

bogman_bass · 30-08-2014 3:08am

tanko wrote: »

Yeah, too much of a bearing I think. Calving ease is important but it can influence the terminal and especially the maternal figures.

What do you think of Fiston bogman?

He's the business. Just looking his figures took a tumble but reliability is still very low. He'll be back up there

just do it · 30-08-2014 12:32pm

What's fiston's code? There's a load of bulls on icbf called fiston

bogman_bass · 30-08-2014 12:33pm

Fsz

tanko · 30-08-2014 12:41pm

bogman_bass wrote: »

He's the business. Just looking his figures took a tumble but reliability is still very low. He'll be back up there

I've heard it said that his calves are born small and put on great muscle as they grow. Would you agree?
Also, what do you think of Cavelands Fenian LZF in comparison to Fiston as regards calving difficulty and calf quality?

Bodacious · 30-08-2014 1:16pm

bogman_bass wrote: »

Fsz

every man and his dog used fiston this year round here.. lims not making the money in the ring and was a big gap in the market for an easy calved char bull after Pirate.. 2nd calvers, older cows etc all got Fiston this year as opposed to good limo

onyerbikepat · 30-08-2014 9:53pm

Guys finishing bulls early seemed to prefer Limousins. When the bull trade took a hammering, I guess Chars will be more in favour now. Back to the old 30 Month bullocks.

tanko · 30-08-2014 10:03pm

onyerbikepat wrote: »

Guys finishing bulls early seemed to prefer Limousins. When the bull trade took a hammering, I guess Chars will be more in favour now. Back to the old 30 Month bullocks.

I wonder will the lowering of carcase weights count against Charolais cattle from now on tho. They finish best at heavy weights.
No evidence of this in my local mart, CHX cattle are still the best sellers.

Timmaay · 30-08-2014 10:14pm

whelan2 wrote: »

on dairy side ksk up from 268 to 287
yad up from 340 to 342
awb stayed the same at 225
pbm up from 270 to 272
psz down from 301 to 280
abo down from 284 to 276

PSZ the only one I've lost out on so!

I used a fair bit of JKF also, he has jumped from 264 to 273.

Bigbird1 · 30-08-2014 11:42pm

Used the two new bulls fsz and hzj myself this year,its hard beat the charolais at the end of the day.

onyerbikepat · 16-12-2014 9:43am

Proofs for Dec 2014 now up on www.icbf.com in Excel format.

http://www.icbf.com/?page_id=200

onyerbikepat · 17-12-2014 9:38am

Just looking through the figures there. The Charolais Cavelands Fenian (LZF) is only 5.5% Calving Difficulty (96% Rel). His weanling Price and Weanling weights look good too. Fiston (FSZ) is 7.1% (97% Rel). Not bad at all.
On the other hand Inverlochy Gurkha (GKA) is a whopping 19.7% (74% Rel). It just shows how important it is to test a good few bulls together. There will always be good and bad.

Nettleman · 17-12-2014 9:52am

onyerbikepat wrote: »

Just looking through the figures there. The Charolais Cavelands Fenian (LZF) is only 5.5% Calving Difficulty (96% Rel). His weanling Price and Weanling weights look good too. Fiston (FSZ) is 7.1% (97% Rel). Not bad at all.
On the other hand Inverlochy Gurkha (GKA) is a whopping 19.7% (74% Rel). It just shows how important it is to test a good few bulls together. There will always be good and bad.

+1, I printed off the august ones from website, and hand wrote in the December ratings beside them. there are some serious swings, and I used FSZ last year, and had changed to LZF this year, eventhough I was advised to go with NPP. LGL ratings are getting worse, but some lads put a lot of weight in the looks, while some, like me, put high importance on calving difficulty. Is there any way to see different calving difficulty for cow versus heifer??

onyerbikepat · 17-12-2014 10:06am

Nettleman wrote: »

... Is there any way to see different calving difficulty for cow versus heifer??

No, not for the latest Excel proofs. You'll have to wait till they are up fully on the site, 22 Dec 2014.

onyerbikepat · 21-12-2014 8:53pm

Full proofs are up now. Must be working overtime at ICBF.:D

blue5000 · 21-12-2014 10:26pm

Have they shifted the weighting for milk kg? A good few of my cows have gone up.

new ICBF Proofs

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