I need feminism because...

Links234 · 11-03-2014 10:31AM

eviltwin wrote: »

In fairness without a smilie its hard to know if you are being serious or not.

It read as very obviously sarcastic to me, smiley or not, but this thread does seem to get it's share of drive-by trolls so I can understand why people might get that impression

iwantmydinner · 11-03-2014 10:59AM

In the context of the thread, given the trolling it is sometimes subjected to, I think it's forgivable if the sarcasm wasn't clear.

GardenMadness · 11-03-2014 11:03AM

Well, I don't think smilies are appropriate in this situation. I'm not smiling, not at all. I'm really, really angry about some of the things I've read on this thread (which infuriated me to the extent that I had to register to point up the illustration of why there are areas where some men simply are not qualified to make laws for women - the fact that no one seemed to be drawing the connection between the origanal man-hating allegations and actual hatred based on gender is insane). I see no reason to illustrate that with grins.

I wasn't being entirely straight but I certainly wouldn't say I was being lighthearted.

11-03-2014 11:20AM

Guys can we move on please, it was very clear to me that it was sarcasm, but I understand that as we get re reg trolls frequently stopping by here it could be seen as something else.

GardenMadness, welcome to boards.ie and to the ladies lounge

GardenMadness · 11-03-2014 11:30AM

Thank you very much!

GardenMadness · 11-03-2014 03:36PM

Anyway, back on topic. We need feminism because Al and Marty genuinely do not have this covered:

http://www.broadsheet.ie/2014/03/11/the-case-of-maggie-revisited/

It's impossible to know what might have happened had more women been involved as decision makers over the past years - we only can say for sure that women are almost entirely absent and this just keeps happening.

Something has to change in the way in which victims of sexual crime are treated in this country.

Femme_Fatale · 15-03-2014 05:34PM

Ha, Gardenmadness - I totally thought too that you were one of those wind-up merchants who register just to bait on this forum; that just shows how commonplace the saddos are.

Anyways, The Sun has decided to create awareness of breast cancer via page 3.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/womens-life/10674927/Boobs-Does-Page-3-make-women-want-to-touch-their-own-Should-breast-cancer-be-sexy.html

Seems a bit cynical IMO. Breast removal is a huge fear for women, especially younger women, who succumb to breast cancer. Hardly seems fair to use "Breasts are sexy" imagery in the same context as the issue of breast cancer.

GardenMadness · 16-03-2014 07:59AM

Yeah, I think I need to keep my tone completely straight here, it seems like several people misunderstood. When that happens, I have to accept that that's not appropriate for this forum.

I can't believe there are people who think page 3 is ok. OK, the adults comics are for the hard of reading but surely even the dimmest bulb can see that it's just weird in a newspaper? And trying to imply that if you are against page 3 you're for breast cancer is crazy.

rainbow kirby · 19-03-2014 10:51AM

Aviva Premiership Rugby seemed to think it was ok to retweet a rather sexist comment

Rugby is a man's game played by men
Football is a girl's game played by overpaid hairdressers

this morning when they asked for favourite rugby quotes. They removed it when I called them out on it, but the fact that they seemed to think it was ok in the first place to spread crap like that is more than a little annoying.

Links234 · 19-03-2014 12:15PM

19-03-2014 12:26PM

rainbow kirby wrote: »

Aviva Premiership Rugby seemed to think it was ok to retweet a rather sexist comment

this morning when they asked for favourite rugby quotes. They removed it when I called them out on it, but the fact that they seemed to think it was ok in the first place to spread crap like that is more than a little annoying.

Jesus, I can't believe there is someone in the corporate world stupid enough to post that on twitter. Hope you got a screenshot RK

Links234 · 19-03-2014 12:32PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Jesus, I can't believe there is someone in the corporate world stupid enough to post that on twitter. Hope you got a screenshot RK

Two things are infinite - the universe, and human stupidity.

rainbow kirby · 22-03-2014 12:12AM

FGM has been a criminal offence in the UK for 29 years. The first prosecutions for it were announced today. Why did it have to take so long for those laws to be enforced?

nokia69 · 22-03-2014 09:54PM

rainbow kirby wrote: »

FGM has been a criminal offence in the UK for 29 years. The first prosecutions for it were announced today. Why did it have to take so long for those laws to be enforced?

multiculturalism

I wonder why the parents are not being prosecuted

GardenMadness · 23-03-2014 09:18AM

nokia69 wrote: »

multiculturalism

I wonder why the parents are not being prosecuted

Why do you think multiculturalism is worth mentioning in this regard?

iwantmydinner · 23-03-2014 10:58AM

GardenMadness wrote: »

Why do you think multiculturalism is worth mentioning in this regard?

Well, it deflects from the real issues surrounding FGM prosecutions, so I'd imagine that's one reason it was mentioned anyway.

nokia69 · 23-03-2014 02:18PM

GardenMadness wrote: »

Why do you think multiculturalism is worth mentioning in this regard?

what other reason do you think could cause people to look the other way

in the UK the last labour government was full of feminists who spent more time attacking men than trying to stop FGM or forced marriage of young muslim girls

most feminism is just a scam for rich white women

read the article below to find out what happens to anyone who points out the problems with multiculturalism

http://www.city-journal.org/html/12_2_oh_to_be.html

23-03-2014 02:33PM

Mod

Nokia69, this is a thread where posters get to share their reasons for needing feminism. It is not a thread for you to post inflammatory comments such as those in your last post. Please remember where you are and respect the thread title.

GardenMadness · 23-03-2014 04:36PM

iwantmydinner wrote: »

Well, it deflects from the real issues surrounding FGM prosecutions, so I'd imagine that's one reason it was mentioned anyway.

In a country where a police force was described as institutionally racist, and given that multiculturalism does not involve breaking the law with impunity, under even the broadest interpretation.

I just think that kind of bigoted wailing had to be tackled. Obviously I've no intention of replying to the baffling post below, so gotta reply here!!

Morag · 23-03-2014 07:34PM

Because there are countries were gender selective abortions are done cos it's not fair to expect a family to accept the burden which is a girl child. And some people seem to think the way to solve this is restrict abortion rights rather then
try change the culture to value women and girls the same as they do boys and men.

YumCha · 30-03-2014 11:38AM

Right. I cannot EVEN with this piece on Patrick Nulty... apparently we're supposed to believe that "Nobody is hurting more than him" - in a piece with zero quotes from his victims of course...

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/nulty-dreamt-of-being-td-now-hes-a-recluse-30138488.html

GalwayGuy2 · 30-03-2014 01:36PM

^^^

An article with quotes of the women may be useful in the above post.

Sauve · 30-03-2014 02:41PM

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GalwayGuy2, this thread is for women to post reasons why feminism is needed, and not to have those posts criticised on thread.
If you have a problem with a particular post, please report it and let the mods deal with it.

Sauve.

meeeeh · 30-03-2014 02:54PM

YumCha wrote: »

Right. I cannot EVEN with this piece on Patrick Nulty... apparently we're supposed to believe that "Nobody is hurting more than him" - in a piece with zero quotes from his victims of course...

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/nulty-dreamt-of-being-td-now-hes-a-recluse-30138488.html

Indo ran an article with quotes from the injured parties or someone close to them a while ago. This is more of an opinion piece. (Not that I have particular desire to defend Sunday Independent but victim statements are old news).

I wonder what were labour thinking actually letting him run on their ticket in Joan Burton's constituency. It is clear he has some issues, can't be trusted and I don't know how they didn't notice that or why they didn't care.

Morag · 30-03-2014 03:11PM

It's mother's day which is nice but, we need to be living in a society which does not tie a woman's worth to if she has children or not, or wants to have children or not. We need better respect for all women.

Dolbert · 30-03-2014 06:24PM

^I don't see how celebrating mothers on one day a year somehow devalues childless women.

Femme_Fatale · 30-03-2014 06:39PM

YumCha wrote: »

Right. I cannot EVEN with this piece on Patrick Nulty... apparently we're supposed to believe that "Nobody is hurting more than him" - in a piece with zero quotes from his victims of course...

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/nulty-dreamt-of-being-td-now-hes-a-recluse-30138488.html

Yeh any TD shouldn't send ****ing private messages to anyone, but "Ah shur this fella he just made a mistake".

meeeeh · 30-03-2014 06:53PM

There is 8th of March. Mother's day is more of a family thing but both days have no real effect on anything. Complaining about one or the other is kind of pointless.

YumCha · 30-03-2014 07:46PM

meeeeh wrote: »

Indo ran an article with quotes from the injured parties or someone close to them a while ago. This is more of an opinion piece. (Not that I have particular desire to defend Sunday Independent but victim statements are old news).

It's not about the when/where of victim's statements being published - it's about the harmful narrative of the "good guy who's gone astray/was stressed/moment of weakness/dealing with trauma" that gets trotted out time and time again - for everything from harassers to rapists and beyond.

This isn't the time to talk about his virtues or lost dreams or hurt feelings - and doing so is a total slap in the face to the women he harassed. Why is it that people need to continually minimise/justify what he did?

YumCha · 30-03-2014 07:54PM

Femme_Fatale wrote: »

Yeh any TD shouldn't send ****ing private messages to anyone, but "Ah shur this fella he just made a mistake".

But he's the underdog! He was bullied! And injured when he was a child!

It's really astounding to see the same mechanics which are used to discredit/disbelieve victims used to excuse away the misdeeds of predators... sigh

Also - as someone who has experienced both 3rd degree burns and bullying - it's incredibly offensive and ableist that these incidents are held up as a justification of sorts for his behaviour.

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