I need feminism because...

KomradeBishop

:rolleyes: Bit of a weird/defensive/dismissive response, to me pointing out a fairly simple problem with that term.

If a term is borderline sexist, it's pretty fair to point that out - and I don't disagree with anything the poster said, and I made sure to be polite about it, and clear I did not think they were being sexist; so yea, don't see what problem people have with this, which warrants petty condescension.

meeeeh

I had to Google mansplainng. I obviously move in wrong circles.

RDM_83 again

KomradeBishop wrote: »

Uh-huh - so if this is ironic (meaning: I am redundantly explaining the problem with that term, to people who are already aware of how it can be considered sexist), that means people would be knowingly using the term, knowing that it can be considered sexist...

See how the term suddenly just becomes a way of lazily dismissing people, even when they bring up a valid point? (and, dismissing them based on their gender...)

Actually illustrates part of the problem with the term, quite well.

Actually how does using terms like Mansplaining fit into the whole recent push to encourage men to self-identify as Feminists? To espouse an idea of a society with equal respect for genders while at the same time using gendered terms like Mansplaining to dismiss others statements is utterly counter productive. At least "check your privilege" is a non-gendered term.

Note: I've reported my own post so it will be removed if mods think if its off-topic

KomradeBishop

I think in most cases use of the term is pretty innocent - having a concise term for that kind of awkward-to-describe thing, is actually pretty useful, so I can see why it's popular - it's just a pity it's not gender-neutral; 'splaining is a gender-neutral version, but maybe sounds a bit odd.

rainbow kirby

Why don't you come up with a better term so to describe a situation where women are discussing an issue that affects women, then a man comes in and basically runs the thread into the ground with posts that are in the vein of "I am right because I am man, here's why all you women are wrong on an issue that will never directly affect me", and then as the thread goes on starts to demonstrate quite controlling behaviour ("If she chose to run during pregnancy, I would ask her to choose a different activity, and would remind her that I would reconsider the future of the relationship if she did not agree") and uses some quite creepy language ("Your body is not your own")?

Kav0777

rainbow kirby wrote: »

Why don't you come up with a better term so to describe a situation where women are discussing an issue that affects women, then a man comes in and basically runs the thread into the ground with posts that are in the vein of "I am right because I am man, here's why all you women are wrong on an issue that will never directly affect me", and then as the thread goes on starts to demonstrate quite controlling behaviour ("If she chose to run during pregnancy, I would ask her to choose a different activity, and would remind her that I would reconsider the future of the relationship if she did not agree") and uses some quite creepy language ("Your body is not your own")?

"being a ar$e" ?

Links234

Kav0777 wrote: »

"being a d#ck" ?

Omg much gendered insult, such misandry :pac:

Kav0777

Links234 wrote: »

Omg much gendered insult, such misandry :pac:

full of self loathing

(As soon as I hit post, i thought that maybe it was the most suitable word... D'Oh!)

Links234

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Links234

Kav0777 wrote: »

full of self loathing

Care to elaborate on that?

Das Kitty

Links234 wrote: »

Care to elaborate on that?

Talking about himself.


I can't help but feel that this policing of words and language is a just a way of controlling the conversation.

So, someone makes a point.

Commenter ignores point (or pays lipservice to it).

Commenter changes debate to be about the word used.


I have to say, it seems to be a successful strategy, from what I've been seeing on boards and elsewhere. I won't be engaging with people who do it anymore.

Thread closed for mod review.