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  • #692
    um7y1h83ge06nx
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,029 ✭✭✭um7y1h83ge06nx


    Morag wrote: »
    It's mother's day which is nice but, we need to be living in a society which does not tie a woman's worth to if she has children or not, or wants to have children or not. We need better respect for all women.

    I was actually mentioning this to my girlfriend yesterday actually, wondering when It would become un-PC to celebrate Mother's/Father's Day. :D

    In fairness there is also Father's Day so these Hallmark holidays don't just target female parents.


  • #693
    BonsaiKitten
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,798 ✭✭✭BonsaiKitten


    Morag wrote: »
    It's mother's day which is nice but, we need to be living in a society which does not tie a woman's worth to if she has children or not, or wants to have children or not. We need better respect for all women.

    Yes. Try International Womens Day.

    I see no problem with celebrating mothers at least one day a year, they deserve it, it is a hard job.


  • #694
    IvyTheTerrible
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,949 ✭✭✭✭IvyTheTerrible


    BonsaiKitten wrote: »
    Yes. Try International Womens Day.

    I see no problem with celebrating mothers at least one day a year, they deserve it, it is a hard job.
    The way I see it, everyone has a mother, so it's not about differentiating between women who have children and those who don't, it's about celebrating our one.


  • #695
    Femme_Fatale
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,628 ✭✭✭Femme_Fatale


    Yeh to me mother's day is about my mother and grandmother and all the other mothers in my life, like friends, cousins, aunts, close friends' mothers.
    The fact I'm not a mother is irrelevant!


  • #696
    ALiasEX
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 535 ✭✭✭ALiasEX


    BonsaiKitten wrote: »
    Yes. Try International Womens Day.

    I see no problem with celebrating mothers at least one day a year, they deserve it, it is a hard job.
    IvyTheTerrible wrote: »
    The way I see it, everyone has a mother, so it's not about differentiating between women who have children and those who don't, it's about celebrating our one.
    There are lots of mothers that don't deserve to be celebrated.


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  • #697
    BonsaiKitten
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,798 ✭✭✭BonsaiKitten


    ALiasEX wrote: »
    There are lots of mothers that don't deserve to be celebrated.

    Yep.

    And? Not every holiday will suit everyone. And that's ok.
    There are days for all sorts of things. I wouldn't be celebrating International Nurses Day for example.

    But as a general rule, celebrating mothers is a positive thing I think.


  • #698
    Femme_Fatale
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,628 ✭✭✭Femme_Fatale


    ... that Littlewoods ad, where the woman's school reunion is coming up so Littlewoods helps her pretend she has cute kids, a handsome husband and a beautiful home. Because you can't even think of going to your school reunion without all those boxes ticked...


  • #699
    constance tench
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 862 ✭✭✭constance tench


    iwantmydinner wrote: »
    Well, it deflects from the real issues surrounding FGM prosecutions, so I'd imagine that's one reason it was mentioned anyway.

    Sadly this procedure is carried out by women...
    The procedure is traditionally carried out by an older woman with no medical training. Anaesthetics and antiseptic treatment are not generally used and the practice is usually carried out using basic tools such as knives, scissors, scalpels, pieces of glass and razor blades...

    "Mama tied a blindfold over my eyes. The next thing I felt my flesh was being cut away. I heard the blade sawing back and forth through my skin. The pain between my legs was so intense I wished I would die."
    Waris Dirie, UNFPA Goodwill Ambassador and spokesperson on FGM

    http://www.forwarduk.org.uk/key-issues/fgm


  • #700
    Femme_Fatale
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,628 ✭✭✭Femme_Fatale


    constance tench wrote: »
    Sadly this procedure is carried out by women...
    Indeed it is.


  • #701
    constance tench
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 862 ✭✭✭constance tench


    The People’s Debate returns Wednesday 2nd April 10PM. The motion for debate...

    ''The liberation of women in Ireland has yet to be accomplished''

    A two-hour-long debate with an all-female audience...should be a good one.

    http://www.tv3.ie/3player/live/


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  • #702
    GardenMadness
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 79 ✭✭GardenMadness


    Femme_Fatale wrote: »
    ... that Littlewoods ad, where the woman's school reunion is coming up so Littlewoods helps her pretend she has cute kids, a handsome husband and a beautiful home. Because you can't even think of going to your school reunion without all those boxes ticked...

    Yes, and she doesn't tick the good education, satisfying career, vibrant social life, useful volunteering, absorbing hobbies. Because those things would be about her as a person in her own right rather than in relation to how well she looks after people and how good she, and they, look.


  • #703
    iwantmydinner
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,246 ✭✭✭iwantmydinner


    GardenMadness wrote: »
    Yes, and she doesn't tick the good education, satisfying career, vibrant social life, useful volunteering, absorbing hobbies. Because those things would be about her as a person in her own right rather than in relation to how well she looks after people and how good she, and they, look.

    And the worst thing is, this narrative is present right across the advertising industry. It boggles my mind how sexist the industry is, towards both men and women.


  • #704
    Links234
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,944 ✭✭✭✭Links234


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mCZCok_u37w


  • #705
    Morag
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,449 ✭✭✭Morag


    constance tench wrote: »
    The People’s Debate returns Wednesday 2nd April 10PM. The motion for debate...

    ''The liberation of women in Ireland has yet to be accomplished''

    A two-hour-long debate with an all-female audience...should be a good one.

    http://www.tv3.ie/3player/live/

    It wasn't, I was there. The conservative catholic lobby group were allowed to dominate the discussion, TMFR had 7 people there and they were ignored.
    Too many times What about the Menz was raised.


  • #706
    constance tench
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 862 ✭✭✭constance tench


    Morag wrote: »
    It wasn't, I was there. The conservative catholic lobby group were allowed to dominate the discussion, TMFR had 7 people there and they were ignored.
    Too many times What about the Menz was raised.

    There seemed to be quite a dirverse represention of Irish society there, I'm not sure there was such a clean cut division...one group against another... there seems to be quite a crossover of opinions present in society regardless of religious positions...
    I thought the two black womens perspectives were interesting...


  • #707
    Morag
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,449 ✭✭✭Morag


    constance tench wrote: »
    There seemed to be quite a dirverse represention of Irish society there, I'm not sure there was such a clean cut division...one group against another... there seems to be quite a crossover of opinions present in society regardless of religious positions...
    I thought the two black womens perspectives were interesting...

    Every woman who spoke against abortion had seats reserved for them, they were ushered in by the producer, 5 mins before it started, placed among the rest of us and they call got called on to talk.

    The poor ladies from TFMR were moved to sit behind 4 of them by the floor staff.


  • #708
    eviltwin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,495 ✭✭✭✭eviltwin


    Morag wrote: »
    Every woman who spoke against abortion had seats reserved for them, they were ushered in by the producer, 5 mins before it started, placed among the rest of us and they call got called on to talk.

    The poor ladies from TFMR were moved to sit behind 4 of them by the floor staff.

    So much for impartial :mad: Disgusted to read that, I would have expected more of TV3.


  • #709
    Morag
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,449 ✭✭✭Morag


    eviltwin wrote: »
    So much for impartial :mad: Disgusted to read that, I would have expected more of TV3.

    That lobby group will lodge complaints against the station and the show with the Broadcast Authority to make sure they get air time. They are very litigious.


  • #710
    rainbow kirby
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,928 ✭✭✭✭rainbow kirby


    Morag wrote: »
    That lobby group will lodge complaints against the station and the show with the Broadcast Authority to make sure they get air time. They are very litigious.
    I need feminism because these people still exist :mad:

    Also because even in countries with a more humane law on abortion, it's still necessary to get out and counter-protest 40 Days For Life nutters.


  • #711
    eviltwin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,495 ✭✭✭✭eviltwin


    Because images like this are still used to sell clothing. :mad: Shame on you American Apparel

    http://jezebel.com/behold-the-grossest-perviest-picture-american-apparel-1553469611


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  • #712
    Carlos Orange
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,499 ✭✭✭Carlos Orange


    eviltwin wrote: »
    Because images like this are still used to sell clothing. :mad: Shame on you American Apparel

    http://jezebel.com/behold-the-grossest-perviest-picture-american-apparel-1553469611

    Shame on the people who buy stuff advertised like that.


  • #713
    Augmerson
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,162 ✭✭✭Augmerson


    eviltwin wrote: »
    Because images like this are still used to sell clothing. :mad: Shame on you American Apparel

    http://jezebel.com/behold-the-grossest-perviest-picture-american-apparel-1553469611

    Jesus that's a bit much, it's like a still image from a Carry On film.


  • #714
    YumCha
    Closed Accounts Posts: 519 ✭✭✭YumCha


    I need feminism - sorry, my "female supremacy ideology driven by misandry" which "has infected out Nation, has corrupted the very foundations of this State, has insinuated itself into the very fabric of our society and acted like an invasive cancerous growth, destroying all it touches"

    because...

    http://mensrightsarehumanrights.wordpress.com/

    http://mensrightsireland.wordpress.com/

    Sometimes I feel like I've read a very different definition of Feminism 101 than other people...


  • #715
    Millicent
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,559 ✭✭✭Millicent


    eviltwin wrote: »
    Because images like this are still used to sell clothing. :mad: Shame on you American Apparel

    http://jezebel.com/behold-the-grossest-perviest-picture-american-apparel-1553469611

    You think that's bad? You probably haven't seen the "butthole" one. (Should go without saying--and how f.ucked up is this--but this ad is most certainly NSFW: http://thoughtcatalog.files.wordpress.com/2014/01/screen-shot-2014-01-30-at-9-59-30-pm.png?w=584&h=386)


  • #716
    Tigger99
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,247 ✭✭✭Tigger99


    Janey Mac, I must have read the wrong feminist bible, because I love men and women and shock horror want equal rights for both without stripping men of their self esteem :pac:

    Thwts awful about the tv3 debate Morag, but I'm not surprised. That station seems to veer more towards tabloid journalism.


  • #717
    meeeeh
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,612 ✭✭✭✭meeeeh


    Millicent wrote: »
    You think that's bad? You probably haven't seen the "butthole" one. (Should go without saying--and how f.ucked up is this--but this ad is most certainly NSFW: http://thoughtcatalog.files.wordpress.com/2014/01/screen-shot-2014-01-30-at-9-59-30-pm.png?w=584&h=386)

    Ok that one is so pathetic it's even funny. The said thing is that adds like this enable them to charge at least 50% more than they should for the crap they sell. Them and A&F should write a manual how to sell to idiots. They mastered their target market to perfection.


  • #718
    Jenneke87
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 807 ✭✭✭Jenneke87


    YumCha wrote: »
    I need feminism - sorry, my "female supremacy ideology driven by misandry" which "has infected out Nation, has corrupted the very foundations of this State, has insinuated itself into the very fabric of our society and acted like an invasive cancerous growth, destroying all it touches"

    because...

    http://mensrightsarehumanrights.wordpress.com/

    http://mensrightsireland.wordpress.com/

    Sometimes I feel like I've read a very different definition of Feminism 101 than other people...

    If you think that is bad go read return of kings.....it's beyond words


  • #719
    Femme_Fatale
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,628 ✭✭✭Femme_Fatale


    I can't even look at those links; too depressing and scary.
    I'm fully in favour of men's rights movements but when they get hijacked by lunatics I can't even...
    eviltwin wrote: »
    http://jezebel.com/behold-the-grossest-perviest-picture-american-apparel-1553469611
    Millicent wrote: »
    You think that's bad? You probably haven't seen the "butthole" one. (Should go without saying--and how f.ucked up is this--but this ad is most certainly NSFW: http://thoughtcatalog.files.wordpress.com/2014/01/screen-shot-2014-01-30-at-9-59-30-pm.png?w=584&h=386)
    But what about the Diet Coke ad? Etc...


  • #720
    Jenneke87
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 807 ✭✭✭Jenneke87


    For me the diet coke ad always felt like the joke was on the girls in the end, and is far far more tasteful and humorous than the ads quoted.


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  • #721
    meeeeh
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,612 ✭✭✭✭meeeeh


    American Apparel ads reference porn, fetish, and possibly nonconsensual voyeur type of photography and that is objectionable on so many levels I actually find it creepy.

    Coke, lynx and similar ads are just stupid. Well lynx at least have a talent for parody. It slightly annoys me how Diet Coke ads are always shown during drivel like Grey's Anatomy or Revenge. I yet have to see one during True Detective or News. I can't even remember them during The Good Wife and I won't hold my breath to see one during The Game of Thrones either. It's irrational in a way but I just get the feeling that it reinforces the image of young women as airheads a bit more.


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