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Bodley 2013/14

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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 2,166 Mod ✭✭✭✭L1m1tless


    cdeb wrote: »
    Yes, against Curragh A. Hung a queen on the last board when we had a draw at least.

    We're on 33 points now

    They turned down a draw with Q+6 each. Hope you dont miss out on promotion by 1/2 a point.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 159 ✭✭midajoh


    They turned down a draw with Q+6 each. Hope you dont miss out on promotion by 1/2 a point.

    That indeed would be a sickener,We have a slight chance on promoting in the A that is of course Gonzaga drop a few points :)


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 2,166 Mod ✭✭✭✭L1m1tless


    Is it only the top team that gets promotion or is there a semi-final type play off.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 159 ✭✭midajoh


    Is it only the top team that gets promotion or is there a semi-final type play off.

    As far as i know only the winners of each bodley


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 7,268 Mod ✭✭✭✭cdeb


    Only the winners of each Bodley. They play off for the trophy. Didn't know we turned down a draw; second time in for days we did that and lost... (Though we did turn down a draw and scam a win against Rathmines, so swings and roundabouts I guess)

    Yes, if Rathmines can take two points off Dun Laoghaire, we go up. Gonna be close...


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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 2,166 Mod ✭✭✭✭L1m1tless


    Good luck, whoever gets it will deserve it. some good teams emerging.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 159 ✭✭midajoh


    Anyone know what's happening with Blanchardstown,Have they played any games recently?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 76 ✭✭Irish Warrior


    The Malahide v Blanchardstown will be played on the 1st of March. The Blanchardstown v Gonzaga match will be played the 8th of March.


  • Registered Users Posts: 10 Gunners1196


    Could someone please explain how board prizes work? Is it if you score at least 75% out of your games? Thanks


  • Registered Users Posts: 53 ✭✭iriship


    Could someone please explain how board prizes work? Is it if you score at least 75% out of your games? Thanks

    As far as I know, you need 7 point for board prize


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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 2,166 Mod ✭✭✭✭L1m1tless


    You need 75% so you would need 7.5 in the Bodley.


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 7,268 Mod ✭✭✭✭cdeb


    Yep, It's 75% of all rounds, not of the rounds you play in.

    7/9 will do for the Bodley - 77.78%.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,862 ✭✭✭mikhail


    iriship wrote: »
    As far as I know, you need 7 point for board prize
    cdeb wrote: »
    Yep, It's 75% of all rounds, not of the rounds you play in.

    7/9 will do for the Bodley - 77.78%.
    This is correct. It doesn't matter how many games you actually play, or what board they're on, so long as you score 7 points or more.

    In a normal division of 12 teams (11 rounds), the cut-off is 8.5 points.


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 7,268 Mod ✭✭✭✭cdeb


    Benildus B 4½-½ Portmarnock :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 159 ✭✭midajoh


    cdeb wrote: »
    Benildus B 4½-½ Portmarnock :)

    Well done third place is looking solid


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 7,268 Mod ✭✭✭✭cdeb


    Pretty much can't be touched now. Wasn't expecting that with a mostly new team!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 159 ✭✭midajoh


    So any news on who won the Bodley B?


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 7,268 Mod ✭✭✭✭cdeb


    Rathmines v Dún Laoghaire is next week as the schools finals were today.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 76 ✭✭Irish Warrior


    Malahide 4 - 1 Blanchardstown

    Elm Mount 3½ - 1½ Naomh Barróg A


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 159 ✭✭midajoh


    Anyone know the score between Malahide and Gonzaga?


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  • Registered Users Posts: 388 ✭✭TheKeenMachine


    midajoh wrote: »
    Anyone know the score between Malahide and Gonzaga?

    5-0 for Gonzaga


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 2,166 Mod ✭✭✭✭L1m1tless


    any result on Rathmines v Dún Laoghaire?


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 7,268 Mod ✭✭✭✭cdeb


    Still not on till tomorrow!


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 2,166 Mod ✭✭✭✭L1m1tless


    Ok thanks, good luck!


  • Registered Users Posts: 27 Debornie


    Any Rathminesvdunlaoghaire results ?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,862 ✭✭✭mikhail


    3.5-1.5 to Dun Laoghaire, I hear. Congrats to DL on winning the section, and good luck to them in the play-off.


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 7,268 Mod ✭✭✭✭cdeb


    Yep; short by half a point. While we were better than them head-to-head when we played, they were able to rack up a few 5-0s which meant they're the better team over the whole season.

    On that note, I'd like to use the LCU AGM to make some changes to the Bodley; it might be worth discussing them here beforehand. I spoke to the LCU midway through the season about Division 7; I was told that it was a matter for the incoming committee to set one up for 2015/16, and that there would be none next year as it was too late to change the relegation format (even though the promotion format was changed half-way through last season...)

    With the success of the O'Connell Cup last year (speaking of which - was that run this year?), there's clearly going to be new teams in the league next season. Blanchardstown were talking about two new teams when I spoke to them last month. We'd like to put out one - maybe two - extra if we can get captains, and there's plenty of other flourishing junior clubs (Rathmines being the obvious one; I don't know if Enniscorthy are at the stage of a second team yet, or if Shankill could return).

    We could quite conceivably have 25 teams in the Bodley next season, with just two promotion spots. That's absurd, especially with the gap between the top and bottom, which is arguably larger than any of the other divisions.

    I'd propose that next season - assuming two Bodley groups - the teams from seventh down are relegated into the O'Sullivan (Division 7) for 2015/16. Clubs joining the league from that season start off in division 7, not division 6, and after next season, it's two up two down between the Bodley and the O'Sullivan as with all the other leagues.

    We've a fair few on here involved at Bodley level, so I said I'd throw it out there to see what other clubs think. Is this something that clubs would agree to at the AGM? Are there other adjustments we could make to improve the division? Unfortunately, it seems the LCU are doing nothing to change this level of the game.


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 7,268 Mod ✭✭✭✭cdeb


    Actually, one other change would be for the last round of the Bodley to take place on the final day along with all the other divisions. It'd be great for juniors to play in a venue like that, and it would have avoided the (very slight) advantage Dún Laoghaire had of knowing what score they needed going into the final round. It'd also help stop the Bodley from being so squashed (November to early March, a good two months shorter than other divisions). The Bodley was run this way up to about three seasons ago, and I don't know why it changed.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 159 ✭✭midajoh


    Drogheda 4 1/2 Portmarnock 1/2 Anyone know the result between Gonzaga and Blanchardstown?


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  • Registered Users Posts: 119 ✭✭Past_Pawn_99


    when i left there were two game still playing and i dont know what happened on them.
    The score when i left:
    Blanchardstown 0.5 Gonzaga 2.5


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 159 ✭✭midajoh


    when i left there were too game still playing and i dont know what happened on them.
    The score when i left:
    Blanchardstown 0.5 Gonzaga 2.5

    The rumour has it that Gonzaga won 3.5 i was just hoping to get confirmation to see if it's true


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 7,268 Mod ✭✭✭✭cdeb


    That'd be amazing if true - an almost exact replica of the B group!

    Edit - though I see Gonzaga are still showing points deductions for unregistered players, and the deadline has passed... Wonder what happens there?


  • Registered Users Posts: 388 ✭✭TheKeenMachine


    cdeb wrote: »
    That'd be amazing if true - an almost exact replica of the B group!

    Edit - though I see Gonzaga are still showing points deductions for unregistered players, and the deadline has passed... Wonder what happens there?

    Yes, the result was 3.5-1.5 - crazy finish and great win by Danny Dwyer on board 1 for Blanchardstown vs a 1580.
    The points deductions are a mistake, according to Tristan Sheridan; all of our players have been registered since the 27th at the latest.


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 7,268 Mod ✭✭✭✭cdeb


    Good to hear; I agree with the rule, but it'd be an awful way to win/lose a title. Also good to see Gonzaga back in the leagues. Will ye have another Bodley team for next season, so you reckon? The players are there for it anyway.

    Danny Dwyer v Alex Byrne on Wednesday is going to be a hell of a game btw. First meeting of two future titled players?

    Another idea on the Bodley (not technically mine, but I don't think I disagree) would be to form a division 7 with the teams 7th to 10th in each Bodley group, plus any new clubs. It'd essentially mean relegating those teams, but given some of the big wins, maybe they'd benefit from a more level set of matches. This could be put to the LCU AGM as well, though I'd certainly be reluctant to do so myself without hearing what the teams affected would think.


  • Registered Users Posts: 388 ✭✭TheKeenMachine


    cdeb wrote: »
    Good to hear; I agree with the rule, but it'd be an awful way to win/lose a title. Also good to see Gonzaga back in the leagues. Will ye have another Bodley team for next season, so you reckon? The players are there for it anyway.

    Danny Dwyer v Alex Byrne on Wednesday is going to be a hell of a game btw. First meeting of two future titled players?

    Another idea on the Bodley (not technically mine, but I don't think I disagree) would be to form a division 7 with the teams 7th to 10th in each Bodley group, plus any new clubs. It'd essentially mean relegating those teams, but given some of the big wins, maybe they'd benefit from a more level set of matches. This could be put to the LCU AGM as well, though I'd certainly be reluctant to do so myself without hearing what the teams affected would think.

    It's hard to see anyone who'll have the time to organise and run a Bodley team for next year unfortunately, so we'll most likely have to wait another year for a third team. Is there any word on a Novice Division by the way? I may be able to get a team together for that

    Agreed in regards to Alex and Danny. Both of them did very well this year and are backing up their league form at weekenders.

    And yes, it's probably time for a seventh division, if there's suitable interest and the lower teams wouldn't mind. It also depends on how many new teams enter next year I think; if there's the same number of teams a two-section Bodley could still work.


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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 7,268 Mod ✭✭✭✭cdeb


    Is there any word on a Novice Division by the way? I may be able to get a team together for that
    Heard from Rathmines that the 18th of May is pencilled down for it. Don't really like that either actually - too close to exams for many surely? I'd also prefer last season's format where it was in a few weekends over the course of the season - made it feel like one of the main leagues, just with shorter time control for newer players.

    Talk of two sections - one for u900s and one for u700s.

    And yes, it's probably time for a seventh division, if there's suitable interest and the lower teams wouldn't mind. It also depends on how many new teams enter next year I think; if there's the same number of teams a two-section Bodley could still work.
    I'd go with a Division 7 regardless tbh. 25 teams is a genuine possibility for next season; that's too big for one division, end of story.

    But you've also got three teams who are scoring a point a game and less - no other division comes close to that level of imbalance. It's hard on those teams, and I know from experience that it's also quite hard to have to keep on winning against lower-rated opposition - it puts extra pressure on you and takes away from some of the fun.

    But I'd obviously be interested to hear what players on the teams 7th to 10th thought.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 76 ✭✭Irish Warrior


    As a member of a club with a team from 7th to 10th position, my opinion is to create a 7th division for 2014/15 and put those teams who finished 7th or below (for 2013/14) in the bodley groups into it would be very arbitrary. Especially as there was no knowledge of it before hand, and nothing teams could do about it now with the Bodley leagues all but over.

    But if teams were made aware of it coming into effect for 2015/16 (depending on an LCU motion at the next AGM and that the team numbers are there) then I think it would be time, as having so may teams in the Bodley so that they are split into two (understrength) groups is no longer workable.

    It reduces the number of games teams in the groups play. They feel outside the leagues as they finish well before the other leagues and not on the same day. It also dilutes the teams that get promoted to the BEA as the only criteria for group selection seems to be A and B teams go in different groups.

    So i would be in favor of a Division 7 as long as the 2014/15 season is used to prepare for it.


  • Registered Users Posts: 53 ✭✭iriship


    Any one know when we will get board prizes?


  • Registered Users Posts: 119 ✭✭Past_Pawn_99


    looks like gonzaga still have 5 points deducted and its after the deadline.....
    If they dont get them back drogheda would take first.
    Hate to be that person who didn't pay their fees!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 159 ✭✭midajoh


    I was thinking the same myself because all the other points were restored last night.It wouldn't be a nice way to win.And at the same time it wouldn't be bad either :) as we all know a team could be stuck in the bodley for many years.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 119 ✭✭Past_Pawn_99


    yes indeed, especially if there's only one promotion slot. :(


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,862 ✭✭✭mikhail


    iriship wrote: »
    Any one know when we will get board prizes?
    The final days of the leagues or the AGM are the obvious slots. If you've a team in a higher division, you might send Peter Scott an email about it. If not, make sure your club sends a rep to the AGM in the summer.


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 7,268 Mod ✭✭✭✭cdeb


    Bodley board prizes are often given out at the LCU AGM alright.

    midajoh - it'd be an awful way to go up alright. If ye're feeling really bad about it, I know a team who'd like to go up instead. :)


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 7,268 Mod ✭✭✭✭cdeb


    looks like gonzaga still have 5 points deducted and its after the deadline.....
    If they dont get them back drogheda would take first.
    Hate to be that person who didn't pay their fees!
    They have their points back now.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 921 ✭✭✭Ciaran


    No sign of Blanchardstown tonight. Don't know if they got the date wrong or what.


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 7,268 Mod ✭✭✭✭cdeb


    They forgot, not helped by having played three games already this month. Rearranged for next week


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 7,268 Mod ✭✭✭✭cdeb


    A draw to finish things off for us so.

    Danny beat Alex, which was a slight surprise. But obviously both are going to be excellent players.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,038 ✭✭✭✭Sparks


    It was only a draw by an incredibly undeserved swindle from me :(

    Seriously, I've never seen an analysis graph swing so fast from definitely-won-for-white to definitely-won-for-black.

    299387.png
    (that graph is being capped at 40 there so that the graph's printable on an A4 page - the analysis is actually maxing out at +327 and then -327)


    And the *really* annoying part was that the move I thought caused the swing from won-for-white to won-for-black was actually the move that caused the initial swing to won-for-white in the first place, and the swing from white to black had nothing to do with what I was doing :D In fact the way I was hopelessly lost was suggested as a good tactics study in postmortem :pac:

    If this game delivers anything, it's the lovely crunching noise of your ego getting hit with a fridge door repeatedly...


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 7,268 Mod ✭✭✭✭cdeb


    Welcome to the bottom board of the Bodley!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,038 ✭✭✭✭Sparks


    It's a pretty wild ride! :D


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