Charlatan "girl against flouride" finally exposed

Filibuster · 23-02-2014 01:41PM

Jonny7 wrote: »

*stops brushing teeth, looks at toothbrush... oh my god

“If you accidentally swallow more than used for brushing, seek professional help or contact a poison control center immediately.” - from the back of your toothpaste box

P. Breathnach · 23-02-2014 01:41PM

Filibuster wrote: »

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Please note the following research which was published in the Journal Environmental Health Perspectives (One of the worlds leading public health journals, has a higher impact factor that the WHO - World Health Organisation):

The report deals with levels of flouride significantly higher than found in flouridated domestic water systems:

... the NRC report examined the potential adverse effects of fluoride at 2–4 mg/L in drinking water and not the benefits or potential risks that may occur when fluoride is added to public water supplies at lower concentrations (0.7–1.2 mg/L)...

Jonny7 · 23-02-2014 01:44PM

Flouride is just internet alarmism, and deflects from very real problem chemicals like Dihydrogen Monoxide

to quote:

"Dihydrogen monoxide:

is called "hydroxyl acid", the substance is the major component of acid rain.
contributes to the "greenhouse effect".
may cause severe burns.
is fatal if inhaled.
contributes to the erosion of our natural landscape.
accelerates corrosion and rusting of many metals.
may cause electrical failures and decreased effectiveness of automobile brakes.
has been found in excised tumors of terminal cancer patients.

Despite the danger, dihydrogen monoxide is often used:

as an industrial solvent and coolant.
in nuclear power plants.
in the production of Styrofoam.
as a fire retardant.
in many forms of cruel animal research.
in the distribution of pesticides. Even after washing, product remains contaminated by this chemical.
as an additive in certain "junk-foods" and other food products."

Corkfeen · 23-02-2014 01:54PM

Filibuster wrote: »

“If you accidentally swallow more than used for brushing, seek professional help or contact a poison control center immediately.” - from the back of your toothpaste box

I just checked two different packets of toothpaste,neither have that written on them. :rolleyes:

Filibuster · 23-02-2014 01:54PM

P. Breathnach wrote: »

The report deals with levels of flouride significantly higher than found in flouridated domestic water systems:

Eh that was a different study (NRC 2006) then the one I referenced. The sentence you quoted just says that that particular study (NRC 2006) didn't look at the potential effect of of exposure to lower levels of flouride concentration. Nothing else. You then omitted the very next sentence:

In conclusion, our results support the possibility of adverse effects of fluoride exposures on children’s neurodevelopment.

http://ehp.niehs.nih.gov/1104912/

rawn · 23-02-2014 01:59PM

Filibuster wrote: »

“If you accidentally swallow more than used for brushing, seek professional help or contact a poison control center immediately.” - from the back of your toothpaste box

Erm I'm sure that the amount of fluoride in toothpaste is in way higher concentration than in water, hence the warning

Filibuster · 23-02-2014 02:04PM

rawn wrote: »

Erm I'm sure that the amount of fluoride in toothpaste is in way higher concentration than in water, hence the warning

Yeah I don't care about flouride in toothpaste. You're not supposed to ingest it hence the warnings about only giving a child a pea sized amount of toothpaste etc. I would however prefer if the state didn't medicate me without my wishes with a neurotoxic poison.

23-02-2014 02:07PM

Filibuster wrote: »

Yeah I don't care about flouride in toothpaste. You're not supposed to ingest it hence the warnings about only giving a child a pea sized amount of toothpaste etc. I would however prefer if the state didn't medicate me without my wishes with a neurotoxic poison.

It's not a neurotoxin at 1ppm so nothing to worry about.

Muise... · 23-02-2014 02:08PM

Filibuster wrote: »

Yeah I don't care about flouride in toothpaste. You're not supposed to ingest it hence the warnings about only giving a child a pea sized amount of toothpaste etc. I would however prefer if the state didn't medicate me without my wishes with a neurotoxic poison.

Dosage is what makes poison. You know, like the way homeopathic cyanide is completely safe. Oh, wait, is that a thing of yours too?

rawn · 23-02-2014 02:09PM

Filibuster wrote: »

Yeah I don't care about flouride in toothpaste. You're not supposed to ingest it hence the warnings about only giving a child a pea sized amount of toothpaste etc. I would however prefer if the state didn't medicate me without my wishes with a neurotoxic poison.

They're whole stance on that is that it's free and you're not being forced to drink it. The only good thing about water charges coming in is you will have a better leg to stand on when asking them to remove it from the water. I'm not sure I buy into the supposed dangers of it but I do know that tap water is fooking rank and if I'm gonna pay for it the quality better improve!

Billy86 · 23-02-2014 02:10PM

Corkfeen wrote: »

I just checked two different packets of toothpaste,neither have that written on them. :rolleyes:

Details shmetails, buddy!

Jonny7 · 23-02-2014 02:17PM

Filibuster wrote: »

Yeah I don't care about flouride in toothpaste. You're not supposed to ingest it hence the warnings about only giving a child a pea sized amount of toothpaste etc. I would however prefer if the state didn't medicate me without my wishes with a neurotoxic poison.

What about the flouride that naturally occurs in water, is that a neurotoxic poison?

Lefticus Loonaticus · 23-02-2014 02:23PM

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

It's very simple. If you don't want fluoride buy a filter or drink bottled water. Do it that way and you don't impose a health burden on the rest of us.

Right. Let me try to make sense of what you have just said.

You are saying that, because you are so incompetent that you cant brush your own teeth, that the government has a right to buy industrial waste and dump it into the entire public water supply, on the basis that its going to find its way all the way to your teeth, and that by arguing against this, I, am effectively causing a health burden to you and the rest of the country.

Now, ive never really been a proponent of the 'fluoride makes you stupid argument', but by gawd........ i think we may have stumbled upon actually evidence supporting that theory.

Muise... · 23-02-2014 02:27PM

Lefticus Loonaticus wrote: »

Right. Let me try to make sense of what you have just said.

You are saying that, because you are so incompetent that you cant brush your own teeth, that the government has a right to buy industrial waste and dump it into the entire public water supply, on the basis that its going to find its way all the way to your teeth, and that by arguing against this, I, am effectively causing a health burden to you and the rest of the country.

Now, ive never really been a proponent of the 'fluoride makes you stupid argument', but by gawd........ i think we may have stumbled upon actually evidence supporting that theory.

No, I think the good captain is saying that because you are so gullible and neurotic, you should buy your own water and leave the rest of us in peace.

Jonny7 · 23-02-2014 02:29PM

Lefticus Loonaticus wrote: »

Right. Let me try to make sense of what you have just said.

You are saying that, because you are so incompetent that you cant brush your own teeth, that the government has a right to buy industrial waste and dump it into the entire public water supply, on the basis that its going to find its way all the way to your teeth, and that by arguing against this, I, am effectively causing a health burden to you and the rest of the country.

Now, ive never really been a proponent of the 'fluoride makes you stupid argument', but by gawd........ i think we may have stumbled upon actually evidence supporting that theory.

If you drink natural water anywhere in the world you are being flourided.

Chancer3001 · 23-02-2014 02:35PM

FLOURIDE IS INDUSTRIAL WASTE!!!!!!!

So?

It's no more industrial waste than say buying egg whites from a company that only uses the yolk.

Ahhhhh that industry doesn't want the whites and they're going to waste. Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.

Frynge · 23-02-2014 02:47PM

Jonny7 wrote: »

Flouride is just internet alarmism, and deflects from very real problem chemicals like Dihydrogen Monoxide

to quote:

I see what you did there.

Jonny7 · 23-02-2014 02:48PM

I'm gonna start a new one

CHLORINE - THE SILENT KILLER

Chlorine, we're well familiar, it's in all the nation's pool, and "they" tell us to put in our pools.. but little did you know, IT WAS USED AS A CHEMICAL WARFARE AGENT..

and your kids, are swimming in it!

Lefticus Loonaticus · 23-02-2014 02:55PM

Muise... wrote: »

No, I think the good captain is saying that because you are so gullible and neurotic, you should buy your own water and leave the rest of us in peace.

Its quite the opposite really. People who want to consume fluoride can go source it themselves and sprinkle it on their toast without dosing the rest of us with it.

Lefticus Loonaticus · 23-02-2014 02:57PM

Jonny7 wrote: »

I'm gonna start a new one

CHLORINE - THE SILENT KILLER

Chlorine, we're well familiar, it's in all the nation's pool, and "they" tell us to put in our pools.. but little did you know, IT WAS USED AS A CHEMICAL WARFARE AGENT..

and your kids, are swimming in it!

Theres good reason to put chlorine in the water. Theres fuk all reason to keep fluoride in.

Canis Lupus · 23-02-2014 02:59PM

Lefticus Loonaticus wrote: »

Theres good reason to put chlorine in the water. Theres fuk all reason to keep fluoride in.

Yes there is.

23-02-2014 03:00PM

Lefticus Loonaticus wrote: »

Theres good reason to put chlorine in the water. Theres fuk all reason to keep fluoride in.

So why not base your argument against fluoridation around this point rather than pretending there are health risks involved?

Canis Lupus · 23-02-2014 03:02PM

jh79 wrote: »

So why not base your argument against fluoridation around this point rather than pretending there are health risks involved?

Because his argument is less effective if it doesn't cause fear.

Muise... · 23-02-2014 03:05PM

Canis Lupus wrote: »

Because his argument is less effective if it doesn't cause fear.

fear and lulz.

Lefticus Loonaticus · 23-02-2014 03:08PM

Canis Lupus wrote: »

Yes there is.

Theres reason to have fluoride topically applied to teeth. Whether agree or disagree like some do.

Theres no reason at all to put it into the public water supplies, no reason to ingest it, no reason to have it in our food, our alcohol, no reason to use it on plants or gardens or in the wider agricultural use, no reason to shower in it, no reason to continue the policy.

From the indo today ->

http://www.independent.ie/lifestyle/argument-for-fluoridation-doesnt-hold-water-30033931.html

"This poison, banned by the EU in 2006, is a component of toxic waste industrial chemicals. Yet it's been pumped into our water since 1964 to reduce dental decay. This despite the fact that experts now cite that fluoride works only on the surface of your teeth. Which means drinking it to prevent tooth decay is akin to swigging sunscreen to prevent sunburn.

Furthermore, this non-biodegradable and highly corrosive acid is contaminated with a number of heavy metals, including arsenic, aluminium, lead and mercury. It is known to be a risk factor in the development of many serious health problems, including cardiovascular and neurological disease, type 1 diabetes, osteoporosis, chronic fatigue and depression."

(Edit; Hmmm, if the indo are hiring gullible and neurotic people to write mad crazy articles to whip up public hysteria i might drop in a CV.)

Canis Lupus · 23-02-2014 03:12PM

Lefticus Loonaticus wrote: »

Theres reason to have fluoride topically applied to teeth. Whether agree or disagree like some do.

Theres no reason at all to put it into the public water supplies, no reason to ingest it, no reason to have it in our food, our alcohol, no reason to use it on plants or gardens or in the wider agricultural use, no reason to shower in it, no reason to continue the policy.

From the indo today ->

http://www.independent.ie/lifestyle/argument-for-fluoridation-doesnt-hold-water-30033931.html

"This poison, banned by the EU in 2006, is a component of toxic waste industrial chemicals. Yet it's been pumped into our water since 1964 to reduce dental decay. This despite the fact that experts now cite that fluoride works only on the surface of your teeth. Which means drinking it to prevent tooth decay is akin to swigging sunscreen to prevent sunburn.

Furthermore, this non-biodegradable and highly corrosive acid is contaminated with a number of heavy metals, including arsenic, aluminium, lead and mercury. It is known to be a risk factor in the development of many serious health problems, including cardiovascular and neurological disease, type 1 diabetes, osteoporosis, chronic fatigue and depression."

It's good for your teeth and not harmful at the levels used. What's to complain about. I love it.

ClovenHoof · 23-02-2014 03:31PM

mango salsa wrote: »

Basically she has no credible recognised qualifications despite claiming to be a qualified scientist. Her campaign team believe in crap like the pill causes gayness and castor oil mixed with urine cures cancer. Her and her campaign are also anti vaccination. As well as that the critiques of the Waugh report show that it lacks any serious scientific credibility.

She never said anything like this from what I've read? Why the hatred? All she wants is for Fluoride to be a topical treatment like it is in most of Europe and not ingested.

How is this so appalling to you?

23-02-2014 03:33PM

Lefticus Loonaticus wrote: »

Theres reason to have fluoride topically applied to teeth. Whether agree or disagree like some do.

Theres no reason at all to put it into the public water supplies, no reason to ingest it, no reason to have it in our food, our alcohol, no reason to use it on plants or gardens or in the wider agricultural use, no reason to shower in it, no reason to continue the policy.

From the indo today ->

http://www.independent.ie/lifestyle/argument-for-fluoridation-doesnt-hold-water-30033931.html

"This poison, banned by the EU in 2006, is a component of toxic waste industrial chemicals. Yet it's been pumped into our water since 1964 to reduce dental decay. This despite the fact that experts now cite that fluoride works only on the surface of your teeth. Which means drinking it to prevent tooth decay is akin to swigging sunscreen to prevent sunburn.

Furthermore, this non-biodegradable and highly corrosive acid is contaminated with a number of heavy metals, including arsenic, aluminium, lead and mercury. It is known to be a risk factor in the development of many serious health problems, including cardiovascular and neurological disease, type 1 diabetes, osteoporosis, chronic fatigue and depression."

(Edit; Hmmm, if the indo are hiring gullible and neurotic people to write mad crazy articles to whip up public hysteria i might drop in a CV.)

How come you posted an opinion piece from the lifestyle section rather than actual scientific papers ? Would it be that no research actually backs these opinions?

23-02-2014 03:36PM

ClovenHoof wrote: »

She never said anything like this from what I've read? Why the hatred? All she wants is for Fluoride to be a topical treatment like it is in most of Europe and not ingested.

How is this so appalling to you?

She has on facebook. She is dangerous plenty of gullible people out there if they believe her crap on fluoride god knows what else they could be taken in by.

ClovenHoof · 23-02-2014 03:38PM

Amazingfun wrote: »

It's hard to believe this weak thread was started by a Mod. But I guess that explains why it's still going.....

I think that says more about Boards than anything else. Shocking.

Charlatan "girl against flouride" finally exposed

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