January wildcard

Bleating Lamb · 13-01-2014 12:42AM

Right Ass licking time over....so any nuggets of advice on my team?:)

Mint Sauce · 13-01-2014 01:00AM

Bleating Lamb wrote: »

Right Ass licking time over....so any nuggets of advice on my team?:)

More of a lurker and a questioner my self here, but if there is one thing I have definatly picked up for this forum, dont over spend on the defense. There is an arguement, or a trend for players worth under 5 mil. Just did a quick check on your defenders, and most seem to be over, the impression I get from the other posters, is that most of theirs are under, a bargain basement kinda thing, and then rotate them around a couple more than 5 mil.

Freeing up cash for you main point scorers in the midfeild and forwards I suppose.

Does not mean for a second I'm giving up Coleman.

The Phantom Jipper · 13-01-2014 01:02AM

Current WC team, any ideas would be greatly appreciated.

Boruc Mannone

Coleman Kolarov Koscielny Chester Whitaker

Yaya Hazard Eriksen Januzaj Sterling

Suarez Lukaku Negredo. 1m left in the bank.

Im trying to shoehorn Lallana in but it's basically coming down to

A) Dump Eriksen for Lallana

Dump Sterling and Negredo for Lallana and Adebayor / Giroud etc.

Am i better off sticking with the above or are there any easy fixes i'm overlooking?

BNMC · 13-01-2014 01:15AM

The Phantom Jipper wrote: »

Current WC team, any ideas would be greatly appreciated.

Boruc Mannone

Coleman Kolarov Koscielny Chester Whitaker

Yaya Hazard Eriksen Januzaj Sterling

Suarez Lukaku Negredo. 1m left in the bank.

Im trying to shoehorn Lallana in but it's basically coming down to

A) Dump Eriksen for Lallana

Dump Sterling and Negredo for Lallana and Adebayor / Giroud etc.

Am i better off sticking with the above or are there any easy fixes i'm overlooking?

Dump Whittaker for starters, Chester is the same price, he has a much better chance of getting you a CS and also nicks a goal the odd time.

Lallana is a much better option than Eriksen and swap Kolarov for Sagna IMO.

steve_r · 13-01-2014 10:13AM

Didn't want to pull thr trigger on the wildcard till the last week, but if Aguerro plays on Weds then I think I'll get him in before the price shoots up.

Feel I'll be missing out on new signings and won't have injury cover

roryc · 13-01-2014 10:48AM

steve_r wrote: »

Didn't want to pull thr trigger on the wildcard till the last week, but if Aguerro plays on Weds then I think I'll get him in before the price shoots up.

Feel I'll be missing out on new signings and won't have injury cover

Yeah if Aguero features I'll probably have to get him in before Cardiff. I was hoping to wait until later in the month.

My main worry atm is Yaya, could do with them saying he's alright for the weekend!

dahat · 13-01-2014 12:07PM

If i had Yaya i would be fearing him being rested over the next two games,Capital Cup and Cardiff game as he was carrying an injury into the Newcastle game which he aggravted it seems..

iroced · 13-01-2014 12:31PM

dahat wrote: »

If i had Yaya i would be fearing him being rested over the next two games,Capital Cup and Cardiff game as he was carrying an injury into the Newcastle game which he aggravted it seems..

Not sure if it's really the case.

FPL was stating he had an ankle injury before the game. Now they have it as a back injury.

roryc · 13-01-2014 12:36PM

Was it not a different knock he picked up against Newcastle, his back as compared to his ankle previously? I think if he's fit, he plays, was probably just taken off as a precaution.

City already lost to Cardiff this season (and Sunderland, and Villa) so they won't be taking it easy against the 'smaller' clubs.

dahat · 13-01-2014 12:41PM

iroced wrote: »

Not sure if it's really the case.

FPL was stating he had an ankle injury before the game. Now they have it as a back injury.

He also had a back problem all last week and it was worse during the game, Pellegrini said so after the game, can't link as on touch site but Google Yaya injury v Newcastle, that's where I got it from.

dahat · 13-01-2014 12:43PM

dahat wrote: »

He also had a back problem all last week and it was worse during the game, Pellegrini said so after the game, can't link as on touch site but Google Yaya injury v Newcastle, that's where I got it from.

http://www.mcfc.co.uk/News/Team-news/2014/January/Newcastle-v-City-Manuel-Pellegrini-post-match-reaction
Just figured how to copy n paste it.

Mr. Incognito · 13-01-2014 01:05PM

The Phantom Jipper wrote: »

Current WC team, any ideas would be greatly appreciated.

Boruc Mannone

Coleman Kolarov Koscielny Chester Whitaker

Yaya Hazard Eriksen Januzaj Sterling

Suarez Lukaku Negredo. 1m left in the bank.

Im trying to shoehorn Lallana in but it's basically coming down to

A) Dump Eriksen for Lallana

Dump Sterling and Negredo for Lallana and Adebayor / Giroud etc.

Am i better off sticking with the above or are there any easy fixes i'm overlooking?

YaYa is injured for starters. Dump him for Silva. Silva is a better player overall and will easily outscore him for the rest of the season. That will free up about 1 million.

I wouldn't have Januzai and Sterling. I would downgrade one to the likes of Parker who is a consistent starter at 4.4 and could do a job off the bench and will give you the cash to upgrade one to Lallana.

It would give you a mid of Hazard Silva Erikson and Lallana and you can change Erikson to Ramsey when he comes back

Just my 2 cent

roryc · 13-01-2014 01:46PM

Mr. Incognito wrote: »

YaYa is injured for starters. Dump him for Silva. Silva is a better player overall and will easily outscore him for the rest of the season. That will free up about 1 million.

Yaya is not injured. He is doubtful, big difference! Walcott for example is injured, Yaya/Dzeko etc are not. I wouldn't assume they are out until Pelligirin confirms it. Many thought Yaya wouldn't start yesterday and were proved wrong. There's little to say he won't shake off another knock. I reckon it's about 50/50 whether he plays.

As for Silva 'easily outscoring' Yaya, again this is pure conjecture. I was a Silva man until recently, but watching Yaya made me change my mind and I brought him in on my WC over Silva. He's simply not the player he was last season. He's smashing in free kicks, is on pens until Aguero returns (which looks imminent) and is getting forward a lot. The main thing that pushed me to get him is his greed. Once City are coasting in a game he drifts into a striker role and will rarely pass the ball, usually opting to go for goal himself. And he's a bonus point whore. Not sure if this is because of his central role leading to higher pass completion rate, but you can be sure if he scores or assists he'll pick up BP's.

Also, a minor point but the £1m is incorrect, it's £0.7/£0.8m so not as big a saving. My advice would be to go with Yaya unless you really need the cash elsewhere. There's not a huge amount in it but I would fear not having Yaya over not having Silva.

Mr. Incognito · 13-01-2014 01:53PM

roryc wrote: »

Yaya is not injured. He is doubtful, big difference! Walcott for example is injured, Yaya/Dzeko etc are not. I wouldn't assume they are out until Pelligirin confirms it. Many thought Yaya wouldn't start yesterday and were proved wrong. There's little to say he won't shake off another knock. I reckon it's about 50/50 whether he plays.

As for Silva 'easily outscoring' Yaya, again this is pure conjecture. I was a Silva man until recently, but watching Yaya made me change my mind and I brought him in on my WC over Silva. He's simply not the player he was last season. He's smashing in free kicks, is on pens until Aguero returns (which looks imminent) and is getting forward a lot. The main thing that pushed me to get him is his greed. Once City are coasting in a game he drifts into a striker role and will rarely pass the ball, usually opting to go for goal himself. And he's a bonus point whore. Not sure if this is because of his central role leading to higher pass completion rate, but you can be sure if he scores or assists he'll pick up BP's.

Also, a minor point but the £1m is incorrect, it's £0.7/£0.8m so not as big a saving. My advice would be to go with Yaya unless you really need the cash elsewhere. There's not a huge amount in it but I would fear not having Yaya over not having Silva.

So you are advocating a player who you think is 50/50 and more expensive and will have dead balls taken away from him over a player with same ppg who is not injured?

I can't disagree more

iroced · 13-01-2014 02:29PM

Mr. Incognito wrote: »

YaYa is injured for starters. Dump him for Silva. Silva is a better player overall and will easily outscore him for the rest of the season. That will free up about 1 million.

Mr. Incognito wrote: »

So you are advocating a player who you think is 50/50 and more expensive and will have dead balls taken away from him over a player with same ppg who is not injured?

I can't disagree more

In fairness, it all depends upon :

the nature of his "injury". As of today he's doubtful...

whether you already have Yaya or Silva or neither and when you got him/them in.

Personally, I got Yaya in with my GW4 WC so he's "only" worth £9.4m to me ATM. If I get rid it will have to be a permanent move.
On the other hand, Silva is this season the archetypal assister of the assister player. It would be great if he played just behind the striker but it's not what's happenng at present.
So it's not that clear-cut that he's going to outscore Yaya from now on.

roryc · 13-01-2014 02:46PM

Mr. Incognito wrote: »

So you are advocating a player who you think is 50/50 and more expensive and will have dead balls taken away from him over a player with same ppg who is not injured?

I can't disagree more

Nope, I was explaining my thinking when I brought him in. I think he's 50/50 for the Cardiff game only, but since when were we talking about one game? We're talking about the rest of the season, he's not 50/50 for this is he! Also, he has not had deadballs taken away from him, only pens (possibly). Wouldn't surprise me if he took these off Aguero! And Silva has a slightly less PPG, over a smaller sample size.

Like I said, Yaya is slightly more expensive but imo this is negligible. If you have Yaya for a while they could even be the same price, like iroced above. The only question here is - who do you think will score more over the rest of the season? I used to think Silva, and have recently been convinced by Yaya.

the incredible pudding · 13-01-2014 03:03PM

Silva could have had 3 assists yesterday if the clear chances had been taken. There's a reason he got a bonus point for the game, he ran it.
He's a lot more than an assist the assister type player. Silva's points per minute is better than Yaya's too.

Honestly i don't think there's that much in it and if I had Yaya earlier in the season I certainly wouldn't be getting rid of him.
However, there was no doubt in my mind which player i was getting in my wildcard last week. Silva is a bargain for his price atm.

Swiper the fox · 13-01-2014 03:15PM

the incredible pudding wrote: »

Silva could have had 3 assists yesterday if the clear chances had been taken. There's a reason he got a bonus point for the game, he ran it.
He's a lot more than an assist the assister type player. Silva's points per minute is better than Yaya's too.

Honestly i don't think there's that much in it and if I had Yaya earlier in the season I certainly wouldn't be getting rid of him.
However, there was no doubt in my mind which player i was getting in my wildcard last week. Silva is a bargain for his price atm.

I saw nearly all the game and can't quite remember the chances you are referring to, I can remember Negredo getting his head to a ball from a corner or free kick that he had no right to. Silva is great player, I don't think his performance yesterday was out of the ordinary.
in the toss up between him and Yaya the free kicks (Yaya) swing it for me

zarquon · 13-01-2014 03:17PM

the incredible pudding wrote: »

Silva could have had 3 assists yesterday if the clear chances had been taken. There's a reason he got a bonus point for the game, he ran it.
He's a lot more than an assist the assister type player. Silva's points per minute is better than Yaya's too.

Honestly i don't think there's that much in it and if I had Yaya earlier in the season I certainly wouldn't be getting rid of him.
However, there was no doubt in my mind which player i was getting in my wildcard last week. Silva is a bargain for his price atm.

Completely agree. But for some poor finishing Silva should have cleaned up. He still got a bonus point even without an assist! With Aguero back in the fold i expect Silva to score even bigger. The movement of penalties back to Aguero from Yaya is a big loss to Yaya owners also. I genuinely expect Silva to outscore Yaya for the rest of the season and Silva is a fantastic differential to have if you have to chase points.

opr · 13-01-2014 03:20PM

I don't even know how it's a topic for discussion. If you have a look at the underlying stats, Yaya is on a heater hotter than the firers of hell.

So far this season he has scored 10 goals from 14 shots on target. Historically his conversion rate is 30% so doing some simple math on average he should have around 4 goals(4.2 if u wanna be a nit) in the league this season. Anyone who understands football knows that no one in the history of the game has kept up anything close to the 71+% Conversion rate that Yaya currently has so we'll be expecting that number to come way down. Peak Messi was at 48% CR just for comparison and Yaya isn't Messi.

If he maintains his current shot totals for the rest of the season then on Average you would expect him to return around 4 goals in the remaining games. Thats not excatly what you would want from someone who currently cost 10.1. He basically averages 0.75 SOT per game and spends most of his time as a DM. You can bring in players with those numbers for a fraction of the cost.

He'll be off pens once Aguero gets back and I expect his numbers to revert to mean over the course of the rest of the season.

Opr

WoollyRedHat · 13-01-2014 03:31PM

I think if there is one thing for sure, having both Yaya and Silva is negible. It's one or the other. The same goes for any other midfield pairing, with the exception of Walcott/Ozil. I think if that parternership was allowed to flourish, they would be the highest scoring midfield pairing in FF possible.

Either one of Yaya/Silva will push ahead. I hope it's Silva, I don't think Yaya will maintain his goal scoring from set pieces, but we'll see.

Swiper the fox · 13-01-2014 03:37PM

the incredible pudding wrote: »

Silva could have had 3 assists yesterday if the clear chances had been taken. There's a reason he got a bonus point for the game, he ran it.
He's a lot more than an assist the assister type player. Silva's points per minute is better than Yaya's too.

Honestly i don't think there's that much in it and if I had Yaya earlier in the season I certainly wouldn't be getting rid of him.
However, there was no doubt in my mind which player i was getting in my wildcard last week. Silva is a bargain for his price atm.

zarquon wrote: »

Completely agree. But for some poor finishing Silva should have cleaned up. He still got a bonus point even without an assist! With Aguero back in the fold i expect Silva to score even bigger. The movement of penalties back to Aguero from Yaya is a big loss to Yaya owners also. I genuinely expect Silva to outscore Yaya for the rest of the season and Silva is a fantastic differential to have if you have to chase points.

Lads, what were these chances ye are referring to where Silva should have gotten assists were it not for poor finishing??

roryc · 13-01-2014 03:43PM

opr wrote: »

I don't even know how it's a topic for discussion. If you have a look at the underlying stats, Yaya is on a heater hotter than the firers of hell.

He'll be off pens once Aguero gets back and I expect his numbers to revert to mean over the course of the rest of the season.

Opr

Great points above. Yaya has definitely been overperforming but as of yet shows no signs of slowing down. If and when Silva starts becoming more consistent its one easy transfer. At the moment though, I'm more scared of not having Yaya than not having SIlva.

Fizman · 13-01-2014 04:00PM

Nasri out for up to 8 weeks.

Bleating Lamb · 13-01-2014 04:03PM

Bleating Lamb wrote: »

Right lads pulled WC trigger last night,wouldn't have near team value of legends such as Mint Sauce,Lemlin,and any other legends;)....My long term successes have been Coleman and Cabaye but I think Cabayes best days behind him this year.
Current pick-
Mannone. Mc Gregor
Coleman. Cahill Koscielny Clyne Ward (Joel)
Eriksen Lallana Cabaye Y Toure Januzaj
Aguero. Adebayor Suarez
Leave me 0.5 m to upgrade to likes of Ramsey in time.

Am looking at alternative team of
Same two keepers
Coleman Cahill Kos Kolorov Ward
Eriksen Lallana Cabaye Silva Januzaj
Aguero Ade Suarez
Leaves me 0.4 m in bank.
Naturally Aguero will only go in if fit.

So which side would ye go with?....I can see Southampton improve with Boruc back....is it too much to have 3 from City?...would likes of Oscar be a better midfielder than Silva.
PS- usually play 4-3-3 or 3-4-3.
Appreciate yere wisdom.....
Thanks.

Bumpety bump.......could do with finalising team tonight (bar injuries etc)...have stuff on rest of week.
So really appreciate any views in next few hours,am coming around to lads idea of having 2 cheapie defenders to allow me to get likes of Hazard into midfield perhaps.Am also thinking J Rod instead of Adebayor as he is too much of a streak player.
thanks.

Swiper the fox · 13-01-2014 04:12PM

Bleating lamb, your team looks very good but I would consider it very important to have Oscar or Hazard, you could probably work Oscar in for Eriksen, lallana or Cabaye by downgrading one of your four premium defenders for a 4m player, alternatively downgrading Ade to J Rod.

As I said it looks good but theres no need for the 4 expensive defenders when it leaves you with only one premium midfielder in particular.

the incredible pudding · 13-01-2014 04:29PM

Swiper the fox wrote: »

Lads, what were these chances ye are referring to where Silva should have gotten assists were it not for poor finishing??

I don't have the time to rewatch the game now as i'm in college but off the top of my head -
Free kick Dzeko? had a header from 3 yards that he put straight at the keeper.
Assisted negredo who had a shot cleared of the line.
He'd a shot himself that only just whisked wide too.

Generally a very very good performance but that's always the case with him.

Mint Sauce · 13-01-2014 04:43PM

Bleating Lamb wrote: »

Bumpety bump.......could do with finalising team tonight (bar injuries etc)...have stuff on rest of week.
So really appreciate any views in next few hours,am coming around to lads idea of having 2 cheapie defenders to allow me to get likes of Hazard into midfield perhaps.Am also thinking J Rod instead of Adebayor as he is too much of a streak player.
thanks.

Any thoughts on 3 cheapies. Only defenders I have over 5 mil are Coleman and Terry, although considering changing him for Mertesacker.

I assume you are playing your wildcard meaning you have till Saturday morning 11.30am to make unlimited changes so no need to rush. Allot could happen tonight and on Wednesday night league cup matches, plus rise rises and falls as well.

I'm even considering bringing in Sturridge tonight as rising, in thr hope he might rise again before Aguero does, just to make a 0.1 profit and sell him again before the deadline as was 0.3 short on my desired targets.

zarquon · 13-01-2014 05:12PM

the incredible pudding wrote: »

I don't have the time to rewatch the game now as i'm in college but off the top of my head -
Free kick Dzeko? had a header from 3 yards that he put straight at the keeper.
Assisted negredo who had a shot cleared of the line.
He'd a shot himself that only just whisked wide too.

Generally a very very good performance but that's always the case with him.

Yes, these were 3 potential scoring opportunities. There was another one where negredo shot wide. I don't understand how someone watching the game closely could not remember the opportunities for Silva. I distinctly remember as i have Silva and had my head in my hands with each of those close calls. With Aguero on the end of Silva's passes he will score big. He should also be a bit fresher as the season kicks on as he has played a lot less than Yaya who is now starting to pick up niggly injuries.

Mr. Incognito · 13-01-2014 05:49PM

Swiper the fox wrote: »

I saw nearly all the game and can't quite remember the chances you are referring to, I can remember Negredo getting his head to a ball from a corner or free kick that he had no right to. Silva is great player, I don't think his performance yesterday was out of the ordinary.
in the toss up between him and Yaya the free kicks (Yaya) swing it for me

http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/football/25609826

3:01

Attempt blocked. Aleksandar Kolarov (Manchester City) right footed shot from the left side of the box is blocked. Assisted by David Silva.

Goal! Goal! Newcastle United 0, Manchester City 1. Edin Dzeko (Manchester City) left footed shot from the centre of the box to the top left corner. Assisted by Aleksandar Kolarov.

Silva nicked that ball to play it out to Kolarov

14:12

Attempt missed. Álvaro Negredo (Manchester City) header from the centre of the box is just a bit too high. Assisted by David Silva with a cross following a corner.

5:46

Attempt missed. David Silva (Manchester City) left footed shot from the centre of the box is close, but misses to the right. Assisted by Samir Nasri following a set piece situation.

45:00 +0:46

Offside, Manchester City. David Silva tries a through ball, but Samir Nasri is caught offside

54:53

Attempt saved. Álvaro Negredo (Manchester City) header from the centre of the box is saved in the centre of the goal. Assisted by David Silva with a cross.

88:29

Attempt saved. Álvaro Negredo (Manchester City) left footed shot from the centre of the box is saved in the bottom left corner. Assisted by David Silva.

I count that five good assist attempts and a shot compared to none of each for ya ya.

Ya ya has a crocked back, and ankle, has been a revelation pointswise this season and STILL has less points per minute played than Silva who has picked up where he has left off in previous seasons.

On top of this anomaly Silva is cheaper. I know that people are emotionally invested in Ya Ya but Silva is a much more attacking player and will get more points imo.

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