The Game By Neil strauss

Muise... · 07-12-2013 09:50PM

Femme_Fatale wrote: »

Oh wait. Nah, you're just a manipulative, lying, scheming, chauvinistic, borderline misogynist, womanising creep.

I don't know. Using a Thelma and Louise clip to back up his point about women falling for schmalzy stuff was pretty funny.

Legs.Eleven · 07-12-2013 09:51PM

Vitaliorange wrote: »

Thats actually common pua advice right there. They call it outcome independence. You are happy and content regardless of whether a woman likes you or not. Having your own fun comes first.

Let's face it, if you're going to such extreme measures as PUA, it's hard to take seriously the insistence that you're happy and content regardless of whether a woman acknowledges your presence or not although you might be very good at putting on an act. The hidden disdain and dislike of women by many of its users shows they don't take rejection on the chin.

Again, my posts are not directed at you but the PUA users in general.

Vitaliorange · 07-12-2013 09:54PM

Legs.Eleven wrote: »

Let's face it, if you're going to such extreme measures as PUA, it's hard to take seriously the insistence that you're happy and content regardless of whether a woman acknowledges your presence or not although you might be very good at putting on an act. The hidden disdain and dislike of women by many of its users shows they don't take rejection on the chin.

Again, my posts are not directed at you but the PUA users in general.

Yea, but the idea is to help men become genuinely content if they weren't to begin with.

Legs.Eleven · 07-12-2013 09:54PM

Balaclava1991 wrote: »

You see. Typical woman! She thinks I'm trying to seduce her! LOL

Would you embarrass yourself so thoroughly in real life too? I can barely read your posts they're so cringeworthy.

thegreatgonzo · 07-12-2013 09:54PM

Carlos Roca wrote: »

Sniffing hair?

Yeah last time was at a concert and he ran off when my friend noticed what he was doing. I didn't actually see him.

Legs.Eleven · 07-12-2013 09:55PM

Vitaliorange wrote: »

Yea, but the idea is to help men become genuinely content if they weren't to begin with.

I wonder how happy they really are having to act like someone they're not just for a ride.

Karl Stein · 07-12-2013 09:57PM

thegreatgonzo wrote: »

Yeah last time was at a concert and he ran off when my friend noticed what he was doing. I didn't actually see him.

Well that's creepy. I was kinda joking.

Pug160 · 07-12-2013 10:00PM

I wonder if this makes some women overly suspicious now though? I'm guessing that quite a lot of young women know about it. I think there might be some unfortunate side effects, such as men who are genuine being mistaken for being a sleazy pick up artist. I must admit, I do have a certain amount of admiration for someone who is brave enough to go up to a woman and ask her out. Some men fight wars, take part in tough combat sports and do all sorts of harsh things, yet a huge amount of men are terrified of getting their egos hurt. I guess from a woman's point of view it just depends on how natural it comes across. I certainly don't believe that approaching a woman during the day is a bad thing in itself, because a lot of women would be quite flattered. But is it just a very confident, spontaneous man or is it one of these other guys?

thegreatgonzo · 07-12-2013 10:01PM

Carlos Roca wrote: »

Well that's creepy. I was kinda joking.

It's not as bad as being pissed on in Supermacs like that girl on AH was a while back in fairness.

Balaclava1991 · 07-12-2013 10:01PM

Legs.Eleven wrote: »

Would you embarrass yourself so thoroughly in real life too? I can barely read your posts they're so cringeworthy.

I am immune to embarrassment. That is my dark power.

Vitaliorange · 07-12-2013 10:02PM

Legs.Eleven wrote: »

I wonder how happy they really are having to act like someone they're not just for a ride.

Well it depends, the stuff I generally have read doesn't teach you to be something you are not. As weird as this might sound I am more myself than I have have been thanks to it. I speak my thoughts far more than I did before and I generally find women/people like that. You are putting your weirdness and eccentricities out there and not caring.

I can't speak for those who put on acts, I'd imagine they get tired of it.

kowloon · 07-12-2013 10:02PM

Femme_Fatale wrote: »

Oh my god, you cryptically referenced Shakespeare - you're so intellectual and mysterious... I'm melting.

Melting like the bad guys at the end of Raiders of the Lost Ark. Only a few are born with the power to wield sarcasm of that magnitude.

Balaclava1991 · 07-12-2013 10:07PM

This guy is the Father of PUA!

Enjoy!

Karl Stein · 07-12-2013 10:07PM

thegreatgonzo wrote: »

It's not as bad as being pissed on in Supermacs like that girl on AH was a while back in fairness.

True. Or leprosy, leprosy's pretty bad too.

thegreatgonzo · 07-12-2013 10:14PM

Pug160 wrote: »

I wonder if this makes some women overly suspicious now though? I'm guessing that quite a lot of young women know about it. I think there might be some unfortunate side effects, such as men who are genuine being mistaken for being a sleazy pick up artist....... But is it just a very confident, spontaneous man or is it one of these other guys?

You'd have to be kind of sheltered to confuse a genuine guy and one who was subjecting you to the kind of interrogation some of the guys up there were talking about. But I'd say a lot of women know it when they see it but go a long with it anyway and have a good laugh about it afterwards. I'm still laughing at the rings thing.

Pug160 · 07-12-2013 10:16PM

Where is this taking place? It is surely only in major cities, because most people in this part of the world are far too shy. They certainly are where I live. It's one of the first things a lot of foreign women comment on actually.* I'm referring to daytime approaches.

thegreatgonzo · 07-12-2013 10:20PM

I've never experienced it. Just gropers and hair sniffers for me. Oh well.

Balaclava1991 · 07-12-2013 10:24PM

I love the door routine.

Sick? Hell it works!:D

You've already had intercourse with the girl. The ideal setting for the power of the door, which is a power and control pattern, is right after you've had intercourse and you're in bed with the girl, and at this time hopefully you've set up the fact that you're also the man of her dreams and fulfil her emotional needs. You're fooling around in bed, you've already had a great time, and you go, "sweetheart, what's that over there?" and you point towards the door. And she'll say, "well you know, that's a door, silly." And you say, "yeah, you know.. I'm a real positive person, but.. I mean, can you imagine.. I mean, you don't know what can happen from day to day, when you think about it in your mind. I mean, what would happen if I walked out that door and the door closed and as the door closed, it slammed shut, and no matter what you did, you could not open the door and you knew that you would never be able to look into my eyes again and you'd never be able to hear my voice again and you'd never be able to feel my touch again." Ok, right here is where she starts going, "I don't like this door business at all." And at this time you just reassure her.. "ok, alright sweetheart, you're right. You really shouldn't think about the door and you really don't have to think about the door." So you go back to playing around with her some more. Have some more fun with her, bring her to another orgasm or whatever and say, "you know, a terrible thing happened the other day. My friend was hit by a truck. I mean, it was awful, by the time they got him to hospital he was dead. I can't believe it, you know? It's almost as if, it would be a horrible thing you know when you think about.." (point towards the door) "..that no matter even if you were to get that door opened and you were to search, that you could never find me again.." Then she starts freaking out. You calibrate more on that part of, "you will never be able to see me again, you'll never be able to hear my voice again."

"You'll never be able.. all that fun we had together, all those great times we had together, walking along the beach, hand in hand in the moonlight, we would never be able to do those things again and even if you were to open that door, you would search and you could never find." And she's at the point where she's saying, "no no I hate this door. Let's stop this door now, are you trying to upset me?" And you say, "oh, I'm sorry sweetheart, I'm just saying these are just things that are popping into my mind, ok?" So play around some more. Get her good and nice and hot again, fool around, have a good time with her, joke, and then then get back into the door and say, "you know, God, still you know, about life's tragedies.. I mean, I just keep on thinking how.." At this point you can already see that this is starting to make her feel uncomfortable. You want to create that sense in her that you can walk out and she'll feel terrible for the rest of here life. You want to anchor that response. I'll get up and she'll say, "well what are you doing?" And I'll say, "I'm going to the bathroom." I go up to the bedroom door and slam it. That right there will freak her out. Then I'll open the door and say, "oh, I'm sorry. You know, I'm sorry, I'm just playing with this door again. You know, you really shouldn't think about this door now and you really don't want to think about this door now."

Having anchored that sense of loss and pain to the door, you can trigger it whenever needed. Whatever negative behavior may come up that you want to stop, the first time you just get up and slam the door. Whether you walk out the door depends on the level of bull****. On later occasions you can just indicate tbe door in some manner. The example Alex gives: If he's talking on the phone and getting any crap from her, and he knows the relation of where the door is to her desk, he says, "sweetheart, could you please turn right and take a look at what's over there.." and that was the end of the bull****."

http://www.pickupguide.com/layguide/p_door.htm

Pug160 · 07-12-2013 10:25PM

thegreatgonzo wrote: »

You'd have to be kind of sheltered to confuse a genuine guy and one who was subjecting you to the kind of interrogation some of the guys up there were talking about. But I'd say a lot of women know it when they see it but go a long with it anyway and have a good laugh about it afterwards. I'm still laughing at the rings thing.

True. But a genuine guy could still be frowned upon if it is assumed that the interaction is premeditated and not spontaneous. In other words, a man walking around looking for women.

seenitall · 07-12-2013 10:34PM

Balaclava1991 wrote: »

I love the door routine.

Sick? Hell it works!:D

Priceless!

Keep 'em coming, sweetie, and hang on to your dark power for as long as you can, you'll need it for a while yet.

Balaclava1991 · 07-12-2013 10:34PM

Pug160 wrote: »

True. But a genuine guy could still be frowned upon if it is assumed that the interaction is premeditated and not spontaneous. In other words, a man walking around looking for women.

But aren't all straight single men walking around looking for women?

Women are not hit on by just creeps and losers.
Creeps and losers are not the problem.

They are hit on by more confident genuine guys than they can shake a stick at.
They can't f*ck them all as much as they might want to.
They are hit on so much that it's tiresome to even be polite anymore.
Which is why many women are often so aggressively rude and tell men to "f*ck off!"
Women rarely hit on men because why would they?
Women have no trouble getting laid if they want to be.

kowloon · 07-12-2013 10:35PM

Balaclava1991 wrote: »

I love the door routine.

Sick? Hell it works!
...

So does Rohypnol. If you need to manipulate people that much you might as well go full nuclear.

Pen.Island · 07-12-2013 10:37PM

The best advice I was ever given (was given on here) was set a target of how many women to get rejected by.

So say, get rejected by 10 women. Approach as many women as it takes, that way you have it all to gain and nothing to lose.

Still, I haven't done it! haha

Pug160 · 07-12-2013 10:38PM

Balaclava1991 wrote: »

But aren't all straight single men walking around looking for women?

Women are not hit on by just creeps and losers.
Creeps and losers are not the problem.

They are hit on by more confident genuine guys than they can shake a stick at.
They can't f*ck them all as much as they might want to.
They are hit on so much that it's tiresome to even be polite anymore.
Which is why many women are often so aggressively rude and tell men to "f*ck off!"
Women rarely hit on men because why would they?
Women have no trouble getting laid if they want to be.

Actually, they're not. In the majority of cases they're being ''hit on'' by drunken men in bars and clubs.

thegreatgonzo · 07-12-2013 10:39PM

Pug160 wrote: »

True. But a genuine guy could still be frowned upon if it is assumed that the interaction is premeditated and not spontaneous. In other words, a man walking around looking for women.

Looking for women in general or is in the place and sees a woman that he likes the look of? If it was the former then it would probably look premeditated.

Wibbs · 07-12-2013 10:41PM

seenitall wrote: »

Priceless!

Keep 'em coming, sweetie, and hang on to your dark power for as long as you can, you'll need it for a while yet.

The gift that keeps on giving.

What's odd is that when I was looking into it agggees ago(earlier post for reason why), they actually weren't coming out with any of these routines. The "guru" I actually bumped into on a night out wasn't pulling this weirdness, or at least I saw no evidence of that*. This stuff seems like very early on made for TV routine stuff. The rings vibe is priceless.

*though he was just a little bit too full on, very "how to meet people and influence them" kinda thing and the local women weren't buying it at all. He did say that Irish women were a hard sell.

wil · 07-12-2013 10:43PM

Femme_Fatale wrote: »

Oh my god, you cryptically referenced Shakespeare - you're so intellectual and mysterious... I'm melting.

Oh wait. Nah, 'Sblood, you starveling, you elf-skin, you dried neat's tongue, you bull's pizzle, you stock-fish! O for breath to utter what is like thee! you tailor's-yard, you sheath, you bowcase; you vile standing-tuck! .

Prithee amended thine poste.

Balaclava1991 · 07-12-2013 10:44PM

Pen.Island wrote: »

The best advice I was ever given (was given on here) was set a target of how many women to get rejected by.

So say, get rejected by 10 women. Approach as many women as it takes, that way you have it all to gain and nothing to lose.

Still, I haven't done it! haha

The secret is to learn from each encounter.

Approaching 100 women and getting told to get lost is worthless if you didn't learn anything.

Instead approach 20 women get rejected, then hit on 15 women and get 5 numbers, hit on 10 more women and get all their numbers and 1 kiss close, then hit on 10 women and get all their numbers, 5 kiss closes and 1 shag.

Week on week improve and improve and improve and within a few weeks you will able to get numbers and kiss closes every time and you'll be getting laid effortlessly.

Femme_Fatale · 07-12-2013 10:45PM

Wibbs wrote: »

The gift that keeps on giving.

Think it should be ignored though - not even laughed at, as he seems to revel in any reaction at all. Best not to give such sinister abusive stuff oxygen.

Mint Aero · 07-12-2013 10:47PM

Who wants sex? I'm easy...

The Game By Neil strauss

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