The Game By Neil strauss

seenitall

kowloon wrote: »

Sounds like someone trying to catch a Badger.

or a beaver.

Call Me Jimmy

Wibbs wrote: »

This. You can't get fish with your net in the boat, so the guys standing in the corner all night aren't gonna get anywhere. However if you get into this PUA stuff it's mostly about approaching many many women(and getting shot down). If you go over and talk to a couple of hundred women, unless you've a face that rings bells in a Parisien cathedral and smell like a sewer a good few of them will respond. Doesn't mean it's the "method", beyond the approach. For socially immature guys who may have a fear of talking to women in social situations this may actually help them a lot. Like phobics exposed to their phobia time and time again can overcome it. So guys get more confidence and IMHO and IME women, particularly young women see lack of confidence the same way young men would see obesity in a woman. Rarely a turnon. The problem being the guff associated with it that rates women, more, makes them out to be a different species that you must dominate in some mad american will to power social dynamic way. That's a big problem.


Oh yep B. Huge market for it and the "pickup artist" gurus can make a small fortune from it*. What that says to me more is that there seems to be a generation of men for which social interaction is very difficult and romantic interaction even more difficult. I'd have a few theories on that score, but maybe for another time.






*actually met one a few years back in Dublin(English lad). He was letting me in on the amount of money being made especially from seminars. To be fair to him, beyond the money aspect he did seem to believe in the whole thing. Even asked did I reckon there was a market in older guys my age.

Exactly my thoughts on this whole 'area'.

Miguel_Sanchez

kowloon wrote: »

Sounds like someone trying to catch a Badger.

Step 4. If a woman gets her teeth into your leg she will not let go until she hears a snap. So always keep a small branch within easy reach of your bed in case a woman somehow ends up there.

Also, condoms.

kowloon

seenitall wrote: »

or a beaver.

I see what you did there!

Vitaliorange

Legs.Eleven wrote: »

I'd be outta there by stage two. The guy just approached ME then he shows lack of interest? Ehhh....

The idea behind that model, which is a thing of the past largely, like video tapes, is for the man to approach the group with an "indirect opener" such as" Hey guys, this might sound strange, but I need a female perspective, My friend just read his girlfriends email and found some flirtatious messages to a male friend hers in work. what should he do?" He also says he " needs to get back to his friends at some point. This is known as a false time constraint. It puts them at ease.

Then the idea is to transition off that topic as soon as possible to normal conversation with the group, while doing this you are winning over the group and the banter is flowing.In doing so you make comments to hottest woman, assuming she is the one you want, which make her think that you aren't interested in her and that her usual effect over men isn't working on you. This often gets her working for your attention. And so on.

Vitaliorange

Call Me Jimmy wrote: »

Exactly my thoughts on this whole 'area'.

Except thats not he case, PUA largely works, in that men get better with women. Before hand they might approach 100 and 10 end up well whereas afterwards that number could reach 30-50 in 6 months of practice. This stuff makes men
better at attracting women when applied intelligently. Thats undeniable at this stage.

Legs.Eleven

Vitaliorange wrote: »

The idea behind that model, which is a thing of the past largely, like video tapes, is for the man to approach the group with an "indirect opener" such as" Hey guys, this might sound strange, but I need a female perspective, My friend just read his girlfriends email and found some flirtatious messages to a male friend hers in work. what should he do?" He also says he " needs to get back to his friends at some point. This is known as a false time constraint. It puts them at ease.

Then the idea is to transition off that topic as soon as possible to normal conversation with the group, while doing this you are winning over the group and the banter is flowing.In doing so you make comments to hottest woman, assuming she is the one you want, which make her think that you aren't interested in her and that her usual effect over men isn't working on you. This often gets her working for your attention. And so on.

No offence but you don't sound human when you talk about this.


I would pick up on this as I'd class myself as reasonably intelligent. I picked up on the guy using it in the park a few weeks ago within a minute of him approaching me as I'd read enough about it. If I'd even the slightest suspicion a man was using tactics like this on me, I'd walk away and sorry to say, I wouldn't judge him very kindly.

I've also been charmed in the traditional sense by average looking men whose tactics didn't involve insulting me or ignoring me or treating me like I was of "lesser value" or whatever other misogynistic ****e is propagated by people who use this guff.

Vitaliorange

Vitaliorange wrote: »

The idea behind that model, which is a thing of the past largely, like video tapes, is for the man to approach the group with an "indirect opener" such as" Hey guys, this might sound strange, but I need a female perspective, My friend just read his girlfriends email and found some flirtatious messages to a male friend hers in work. what should he do?"

Gas.

If a guy approached me and a group of my friends with that opener, he'd be marked as a desperado from the get-go.

Call Me Jimmy

Vitaliorange wrote: »

Except thats not he case, PUA largely works, in that men get better with women. Before hand they might approach 100 and 10 end up well whereas afterwards that number could reach 30-50 in 6 months of practice. This stuff makes men
better at attracting women when applied intelligently. Thats undeniable at this stage.

Whatever the results I pity anyone who lives life from such an inorganic, dishonest and cynical perspective.

Muise...

Vitaliorange wrote: »

The idea behind that model, which is a thing of the past largely, like video tapes, is for the man to approach the group with an "indirect opener" such as" Hey guys, this might sound strange, but I need a female perspective, My friend just read his girlfriends email and found some flirtatious messages to a male friend hers in work. what should he do?" .

Have you tried "Ladies, do you think this dress is too sexy for my sister?"

Muise...

Muise... wrote: »

Have you tried "Ladies, do you think this dress is too sexy for my sister?"

At least that would be a laugh!

Vitaliorange

Legs.Eleven wrote: »

No offence but you don't sound human when you talk about this.


I would pick up on this as I'd class myself as reasonably intelligent. I picked up on the guy using it in the park a few weeks ago within a minute of him approaching me as I'd read enough about it. If I'd even the slightest suspicion a man was using tactics like this on me, I'd walk away and sorry to say, I wouldn't judge him very kindly.

I've also been charmed in the traditional sense by average looking men whose tactics didn't involve insulting me or ignoring me or treating me like I was of "lesser value" or whatever other misogynistic ****e is propagated by people who use this guff.

None taken. I was describing the mechanics of the above "model" non judgementally which I actually don't like. Thats how the early stages of that "model" works roughly.

Pug160

Like I've said before, I think it's much better to try to improve every aspect of your life, rather than obsess over a certain part of it. I quite like this quote: “Happiness is like a butterfly; the more you chase it, the more it will elude you, but if you turn your attention to other things, it will come and sit softly on your shoulder”

I think you can apply that to success with the opposite sex. If you're not a happy or fulfilled person, going around chasing women or men will not fix it. You will also give off bad vibes because of your unhappiness. If you're happy and have a lot going on in your life, things tend to happen more organically. The problem is, words are sometimes cheap and it's sometimes easier said than done. But overall fulfillment is what everyone should be aiming for IMO.

Vitaliorange

Muise... wrote: »

Have you tried "Ladies, do you think this dress is too sexy for my sister?"

Who said I tried any of that? Im aware of it, thats it.

I generally walk over and say hello and just waffle away to my hearts content. At least thats what I did before I became attached.

Vitaliorange

Candie wrote: »

Gas.

If a guy approached me and a group of my friends with that opener, he'd be marked as a desperado from the get-go.

Why? You would think he was about to leave and in a rush to get back to his friends.

anyway I hate that opinion opener crap. Much prefer being direct. Not too disimiliar to this guy.


http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=qIU1WAdEu-g

Vitaliorange

Vitaliorange wrote: »

Why? You would think he was about to leave and in a rush to get back to his friends.

No, I wouldn't. Not for one second.

I don't know if it's tragic or hilarious, or hilariously tragic, but one thing it definitely is, is transparent.

Its a completely unnatural scenario, nobody seeks such advice, in a hurry, from complete strangers. It's very obviously an opener and any group of women with IQs greater than their shoe sizes will see that.

Vitaliorange

Candie wrote: »

No, I wouldn't. Not for one second.

I don't know if it's tragic or hilarious, or hilariously tragic, but one thing it definitely is, is transparent.

Its a completely unnatural scenario, nobody seeks such advice, in a hurry, from complete strangers. It's very obviously an opener and any group of women with IQs greater than their shoe sizes will see that.

Well thats the assumption of the model, you use your body language and false time.constraint to to give the impression you are leaving. For example have two drinks in your hand as you make your way over to friends. Whether women fully believe it or not it has worked consistently all over the world.

Woman game works quite well even though men know what they are doing. Stand near men or bump into them "accidentally" and bait them into opening.

Vitaliorange

Vitaliorange wrote: »

Whether women fully believe it or not it has worked consistently all over the world.

No, 'women' don't consistently fall for it. SOME women fall for it.

If you approach enough of them, some of them will probably take the bait eventually, it does not work across the board. Like most things PUA, its a numbers game.

Vitaliorange

Candie wrote: »

No, 'women' don't consistently fall for it. SOME women fall for it.

If you approach enough of them, some of them will probably take the bait eventually, it does not work across the board. Like most things PUA, its a numbers game.

PUA generally speaking isn't a numbers game, I have dramatically improved my abilities with women as a result of it for example, at my peak I barely got rejected at all whereas beforehand it was blind luck if I got a woman in bed. In reality she probably chose me from the outset. Whereas afterwards I got the ability to see a woman and have a very good chance successfully chatting her up. The difference was ridiculous, afterwards I was constantly being told that there is "something about me" and Im "smooth" etc etc. I never heard those things before I learned some stuff from PUA.

What are you basing this on that its a numbers game. It seems like thats something people want to believe as it threatens their belief system.

Balaclava1991

When I chat up a girl I use the classic rings opener.

There is a different Greek God for each finger

A ring on the thumb represent Poseidon the God of the Sea which means she is as free as the open ocean.

If she wears a ring on her index finger it represents Zeus the Father of the Gods which means she considers herself an authority figure.

If she wears the ring on her middle finger it means she is ruled by Dionysus the God of Wine and Irreverence which means she likes to party and likes rebel against society.

If she wears the ring on her ring finger she is ruled by Venus the Goddess of Love and is ruled by her heart and follows it.

If she wears a ring on her pinkie that means she is ruled by Mars God of War and is prone to aggression and is brave and can stand up for herself.

Women buy into this sh*t because they are gullible and buy into all kinds of phoney crap!:D

That can be enough to kick start an interesting conversation and it gives you an excuse to hold her hand to explain what the rings means which is interpreted by her unconscious mind as intimate and sexual.

She will think you are forward, quirky, intelligent and clairvoyant.

The trick works on so many levels.

Before you f*ck her first you f*ck her mind.

Fox_In_Socks

Balaclava1991 wrote: »

When I chat up a girl I use the classic rings opener.

There is a different Greek God for each finger

A ring on the thumb represent Poseidon the God of the Sea which means she is as free as the open ocean.

If she wears a ring on her index finger it represents Zeus the Father of the Gods which means she considers herself an authority figure.

If she wears the ring on her middle finger it means she is ruled by Dionysus the God of Wine and Irreverence which means she likes to party and likes rebel against society.

If she wears the ring on her ring finger she is ruled by Venus the Goddess of Love and is ruled by her heart and follows it.

If she wears a ring on her pinkie that means she is ruled by Mars God of War and is prone to aggression and is brave and can stand up for herself.

Women buy into this sh*t because they are gullible and buy into all kinds of phoney crap!:D

That can be enough to kick start an interesting conversation and it gives you an excuse to hold her hand to explain what the rings means which is interpreted by her unconscious mind as intimate and sexual.

She will think you are forward, quirky, intelligent and clairvoyant.

The trick works on so many levels.

Before you f*ck her first you f*ck her mind.

What if she wears a knuckleduster?

Or if she's an amputee?

Legs.Eleven

Vitaliorange wrote: »

PUA generally speaking isn't a numbers game, I have dramatically improved my abilities with women as a result of it for example, at my peak I barely got rejected at all whereas beforehand it was blind luck if I got a woman in bed. In reality she probably chose me from the outset. Whereas afterwards I got the ability to see a woman and have a very good chance successfully chatting her up. The difference was ridiculous, afterwards I was constantly being told that there is "something about me" and Im "smooth" etc etc. I never heard those things before I learned some stuff from PUA.

What are you basing this on that its a numbers game. It seems like thats something people want to believe as it threatens their belief system.

I wonder how successful you'd be if she knew your moves were learnt off the internet and she read up on PUA. You might've been classed as "smooth" etc. and you might've even felt flattered by it but it was an act.

Balaclava1991

Fox_In_Socks wrote: »

What if she wears a knuckleduster?

Or if he's an amputee?

I don't know!:D

Legs.Eleven

Balaclava1991 wrote: »

When I chat up a girl I use the classic rings opener.

There is a different Greek God for each finger

A ring on the thumb represent Poseidon the God of the Sea which means she is as free as the open ocean.

If she wears a ring on her index finger it represents Zeus the Father of the Gods which means she considers herself an authority figure.

If she wears the ring on her middle finger it means she is ruled by Dionysus the God of Wine and Irreverence which means she likes to party and likes rebel against society.

If she wears the ring on her ring finger she is ruled by Venus the Goddess of Love and is ruled by her heart and follows it.

If she wears a ring on her pinkie that means she is ruled by Mars God of War and is prone to aggression and is brave and can stand up for herself.

Women buy into this sh*t because they are gullible and buy into all kinds of phoney crap!:D

That can be enough to kick start an interesting conversation and it gives you an excuse to hold her hand to explain what the rings means which is interpreted by her unconscious mind as intimate and sexual.

She will think you are forward, quirky, intelligent and clairvoyant.

The trick works on so many levels.

Before you f*ck her first you f*ck her mind.

Poster boy for PUA, ladies and gentleman. What's not to love!

Legs.Eleven

Balaclava1991 wrote: »

Before you f*ck her first you f*ck her mind.

ROFL.

Fox_In_Socks

Legs.Eleven wrote: »

Poster boy for PUA, ladies and gentleman. What's not to love!

I'm going to ignore you now.


(Am I doing this correctly?:P)

Reekwind

Balaclava1991 wrote: »

Before you f*ck her first you f*ck her mind.

And you wonder why some people need to read books and watch videos to tell them how to talk to women...

Balaclava1991

Legs.Eleven wrote: »

I wonder how successful you'd be if she knew your moves were learnt off the internet and she read up on PUA. You might've been classed as "smooth" etc. and you might've even felt flattered by it but it was an act.

You see a man would get suspicious because men see through horse crap.

Women fall for any kind of emotional rubbish that makes them feel good.

That's why they buy all those tear jerking chick novels and anything that is pink and fluffy and sugary.

This video tells you all you need to know about women!

Vitaliorange

Legs.Eleven wrote: »

I wonder how successful you'd be if she knew your moves were learnt off the internet and she read up on PUA. You might've been classed as "smooth" etc. and you might've even felt flattered by it but it was an act.

It wasn't one bit an act, I just learned how to not give a fukc and through repeatedly approaching women you actually get this "rhthym" of sorts when talking to women. Its hard to describe, but its 100 percent genuine me. You can't fake the confidence to walk over to a group of women anf chat away without a care in the world. Women can tell if you are nervous. Thats why I have a low opinion of guys relying on tricks and routines, its not healthy long term.

80% of "game" imo is genuinely transforming yourself into a cool person. The rest imo is underatanding female psychology and internalising through practice the typical patterns that occur when chatting up women.

Balaclava1991

Reekwind wrote: »

And you wonder why some people need to read books and watch videos to tell them how to talk to women...

But it works on so many levels! There are none so blind as those who cannot see!!!!!