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14-11-2013 1:40am #1

Anyone buy the DVD of S4 yet to know the music used? is for example a cover version of the byrds 'turn turn turn' used at the beginning of episode 2?

heyheyhey1982 · 14-11-2013 1:56am

I was thinking maybe the voice over is not such a good idea but maybe we could have Nidge wake up in the chair when he was waiting for the IRA man to come to him at the end of Season 3 and.... The whole of s4 was a dream and we can get Darren back and reignite the love story with Rosie again. It's cool and edgy and never been done.

Happyman42 · 14-11-2013 1:59am

Some children can't bear to be told that their silver sword is just spray painted plastic and they jump up and down and throw wobblies....but it's still a spray painted bit of plastic after all the histrionics and gnashing of teeth. After a while they just grow up and it doesn't matter so much.

Witcher · 14-11-2013 2:00am

heyheyhey1982 wrote: »

I was thinking maybe the voice over is not such a good idea but maybe we could have Nidge wake up in the chair when he was waiting for the IRA man to come to him at the end of Season 3 and.... The whole of s4 was a dream and we can get Darren back and reignite the love story with Rosie again. It's cool and edgy and never been done.

Say what?

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heyheyhey1982 · 14-11-2013 2:03am

Was it done before?

*Sigh*

What about Nidge been an under cover cop that would be completely out of the blue.?

I think they should revisit the Wayne killing though just to confirm who did it.

hatrickpatrick · 14-11-2013 9:01am

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/lovehate-garda-actor-awaits-fate-29753690.html

Kieran O'Reilly, who played Garda Madden, might get in sh!te over it - one must assume he probably won't be able to appear in season 5, regardless of the outcome

Maybe that doesn't matter so much, given that the whole undercover operation has been exposed now anyway?

AnonoBoy · 14-11-2013 11:07am

Happyman42 wrote: »

Some children can't bear to be told that their silver sword is just spray painted plastic and they jump up and down and throw wobblies....but it's still a spray painted bit of plastic after all the histrionics and gnashing of teeth. After a while they just grow up and it doesn't matter so much.

That's a great metaphor. Here, let me have a go.....

But mostly the children are happy enough with the toy swords. They know they're toys but the previous toys from the same company were only wooden blocks and these toys are silver and shaped better and handle better.

The children know that the swords aren't perfect and if they bang them about too much cracks will show - some of the kids are conscious that the joins aren't great and they will only last a while. But they're still happy to play with them and enjoy them for what they are.

But one child..... one child complains that the silver used to spray the swords isn't the correct metallic tone and that on real swords it would never hold because the polymers used in these swords do not have the same chemical properties as the polymers on real swords. When the other children point out that not only does that not matter but that real swords don't contain polymers at all the child gets embarrassed and annoyed and blames the company that made the swords and says they've used shoddy methods to make the swords in the first place.

The other children continue playing with the swords, hoping that next year the swords they get might be even better again. But the one child, now angry that the other kids don't want to play with him starts moaning that because he had the audacity to point out that the swords weren't real nobody likes him. But the other children already knew the swords weren't real and could plainly see the faults with the swords but chose to enjoy them anyway and didn't see the need to make up new faults that weren't actually faults at all.

Also the other children knew that it was Nidge that had Wayne clipped.

ThisRegard · 14-11-2013 11:22am

heyheyhey1982 wrote: »

I think they should revisit the Wayne killing though just to confirm who did it.

The young lad he was laughing at for falling off his bike did it.

kfallon · 14-11-2013 11:33am

Deleted User wrote: »

Anyone buy the DVD of S4 yet to know the music used? is for example a cover version of the byrds 'turn turn turn' used at the beginning of episode 2?

Anyone confirm or deny this, some of the music in this series was class and I'd hate it to be replaced by crappy cover versions

Gadgetman496 · 14-11-2013 11:42am

kfallon wrote: »

Anyone confirm or deny this, some of the music in this series was class and I'd hate it to be replaced by crappy cover versions

The DVD music used is never the same as that used in the show, fact. It's to do with copyright & royalty charges.

heyheyhey1982 · 14-11-2013 11:55am

ThisRegard wrote: »

The young lad he was laughing at for falling off his bike did it.

Are we 110% sure though?

I think it's open to interpretation

deise08 · 14-11-2013 11:59am

What happens when the posts get to 10000?
if its somethin good can we please not be still talkin about Wayne?

heyheyhey1982 · 14-11-2013 12:05pm

deise08 wrote: »

What happens when the posts get to 10000?
if its somethin good can we please not be still talkin about Wayne?

Really looking forward to next season It's a real who shot JR moment in irish television. Waynes killer will be revealed and is gonna be a seminal moment.

ThisRegard · 14-11-2013 12:09pm

heyheyhey1982 wrote: »

Are we 110% sure though?

I think it's open to interpretation

I think it's just the motivation that's open to interpretation though, but it's for one of the following reasons, either for laughing when he fell off the bike, or he felt guilty for doing nothing when the cat got shot.

Kenny Logins · 14-11-2013 12:13pm

heyheyhey1982 wrote: »

Really looking forward to next season It's a real who shot JR moment in irish television. Waynes killer will be revealed and is gonna be a seminal moment.

Did you notice that we didn't actually see the dentist being murdered? He had a bag over his (or her..?) head. Could be anyone...

heyheyhey1982 · 14-11-2013 12:21pm

Kenny Logins wrote: »

Did you notice that we didn't actually see the dentist being murdered? He had a bag over his (or her..?) head. Could be anyone...

I think we can presume it was the dentist. We see the bag put over his head and the body in the suit case had the same clothing on. It's safe to say it was the dentist. Whether the suitcase in the canal was the same one I don't know. Would it really float with a body in it? Andrew had a few extra pounds it would be a miracle if the case would float that high on the water.

By the way if anyone hasn't realised I have been throlling re Waines/Andrews death. Anyone that couldn't figure out who killed Wayne should stop watching the show.

BuilderPlumber · 14-11-2013 12:25pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Anyone buy the DVD of S4 yet to know the music used? is for example a cover version of the byrds 'turn turn turn' used at the beginning of episode 2?

I got it yesterday and am watching all the episodes 1 by 1 from season 1 to 4 from the weekend. I will keep note of the music used.

Lisha · 14-11-2013 12:25pm

gadgetman496 wrote: »

The DVD music used is never the same as that used in the show, fact. It's to do with copyright & royalty charges.

Such a pity. It was very disconcerting while watching love/hate on ch4 to hear inferior music being used.

How i wish I had sky+ to record on the series from tv

username123 · 14-11-2013 12:37pm

kfallon wrote: »

Anyone confirm or deny this, some of the music in this series was class and I'd hate it to be replaced by crappy cover versions

I watched seasons 1-3 on dvd and only watched it on tv for season 4. The very first thing myself and himself noticed was the music was great on tv. Not realising that they didnt use the same music on dvd releases we both commented that they had really upped their game with edgy music providing some extra tension and atmosphere building. Then I found out that the dvds had different music. I feel ripped off for the 3 seasons I paid for on dvd.

BuilderPlumber · 14-11-2013 12:37pm

ThisRegard wrote: »

I think it's just the motivation that's open to interpretation though, but it's for one of the following reasons, either for laughing when he fell off the bike, or he felt guilty for doing nothing when the cat got shot.

Looking at it the first time, I'd have said Guinea did it himself or else he was working for the traveller.

Looking at it the second time, I'd have to say it was Nidge set him up.

Since there was no other mention of it afterwards, we are unsure 100% who ordered what or why. When Nidge mentioned the job to be done, I was sure it was getting rid of the traveller but since there was no followup and since Elmo just drove away, it certainly incriminates Nidge and/or Elmo to being involved in a setup. Nidge was in the know; Or so it leads us to believe: the travellers could still be guilty and so could Guinea seeking revenge. Either way, Elmo is involved!

And if Nidge did not order Wayne's death, Nidge has a serious problem. Could Fran be consolidating control over Elmo? Could the travellers and Fran have aligned unknown to Nidge? Season 5 will I'm sure continue and reveal all.

AnonoBoy · 14-11-2013 12:47pm

username123 wrote: »

Then I found out that the dvds had different music. I feel ripped off for the 3 seasons I paid for on dvd.

It's an unfortunate budgetary constraint alright. If they paid royalites for all the songs they use on TV they'd have to charge way too much for the DVDs and nobody would buy them - and some of the songs they mightn't even get the rights for.

Riskymove · 14-11-2013 12:49pm

BuilderPlumber wrote: »

Looking at it the second time, I'd have to say it was Nidge set him up.

we see Nidge talk to Elmo about the "job"

Elmo asks if he wants to "use the young fella" and Nidge says yes

we then see thingsd unfold for Wayne

but...if Wayne was not the "job" then who was? If Nidge was not setting up Wayne...who was he sending him out to kill?

bellinter · 14-11-2013 12:53pm

***CHECKS INTO THREAD***

***SEES EVERYONE STILL TALKING ABOUT WAYNE***

***CHECKS OUT OF THREAD***

username123 · 14-11-2013 12:58pm

AnonoBoy wrote: »

It's an unfortunate budgetary constraint alright. If they paid royalites for all the songs they use on TV they'd have to charge way too much for the DVDs and nobody would buy them - and some of the songs they mightn't even get the rights for.

They should make it clear on the front of the dvd - I thought I was paying for the show as shown on RTE, but instead I paid for the show with crappy muzac.

maximoose · 14-11-2013 1:00pm

I can't believe you still aren't convinced Nidge was behind it.

Kenny Logins · 14-11-2013 1:03pm

heyheyhey1982 wrote: »

By the way if anyone hasn't realised I have been throlling re Waines/Andrews death. Anyone that couldn't figure out who killed Wayne should stop watching the show.

/voiceover

styron · 14-11-2013 1:16pm

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/lovehate-garda-actor-awaits-fate-29753690.html

Kieran O'Reilly, who played Garda Madden, might get in sh!te over it - one must assume he probably won't be able to appear in season 5, regardless of the outcome

Maybe that doesn't matter so much, given that the whole undercover operation has been exposed now anyway?

Sure they can always have Madden off-screen on suspension for subversive activity ... caught at an undercover sting on the 2014 All Ireland Drama Festival.

The cops could bust Janet too for running a "workshop"

€100 for a two hour long private session seems mighty fine value.

... oh, hang on, ... that's for an acting lession* :pac:

* The aforementioned character 'Janet' is of course entirely a work of fiction - Any resemblance (non- thespian) to a real person, living or dead (ie. actress Mary Murray), is purely coincidental. Nor is it to be inferred under any circumstances that the said actress Mary Murray is coincidentally a prozzie or Madame of any description ... outside of France.

Mr E · 14-11-2013 1:28pm

New thread started (old one was approaching 10k posts).

Happyman42 · 14-11-2013 1:31pm

AnonoBoy wrote: »

That's a great metaphor. Here, let me have a go.....

But mostly the children are happy enough with the toy swords. They know they're toys but the previous toys from the same company were only wooden blocks and these toys are silver and shaped better and handle better.

The children know that the swords aren't perfect and if they bang them about too much cracks will show - some of the kids are conscious that the joins aren't great and they will only last a while. But they're still happy to play with them and enjoy them for what they are.

But one child..... one child complains that the silver used to spray the swords isn't the correct metallic tone and that on real swords it would never hold because the polymers used in these swords do not have the same chemical properties as the polymers on real swords. When the other children point out that not only does that not matter but that real swords don't contain polymers at all the child gets embarrassed and annoyed and blames the company that made the swords and says they've used shoddy methods to make the swords in the first place.

The other children continue playing with the swords, hoping that next year the swords they get might be even better again. But the one child, now angry that the other kids don't want to play with him starts moaning that because he had the audacity to point out that the swords weren't real nobody likes him. But the other children already knew the swords weren't real and could plainly see the faults with the swords but chose to enjoy them anyway and didn't see the need to make up new faults that weren't actually faults at all.

Also the other children knew that it was Nidge that had Wayne clipped.

you are missing the point.

....and then they grew up and put away childish things. (except those who secretly needed their comfort blankies in adulthood)

AnonoBoy · 14-11-2013 1:55pm

username123 wrote: »

They should make it clear on the front of the dvd - I thought I was paying for the show as shown on RTE, but instead I paid for the show with crappy muzac.

That's an interesting point actually. I suppose they should indicate on the packaging that some of the music is different to the music used on the broadcast version.

Happyman42 wrote: »

you are missing the point.

I'm really not.

I'm also deadly at twisting people's metaphors around.

EyeSight · 14-11-2013 2:14pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Anyone buy the DVD of S4 yet to know the music used? is for example a cover version of the byrds 'turn turn turn' used at the beginning of episode 2?

http://www.rte.ie/drama/tv/featured/lovehate/abouttheshow.html

heyheyhey1982 · 14-11-2013 2:38pm

Kenny Logins wrote: »

/voiceover

Another joke

Imagine a voice over?

*shudders

hatrickpatrick · 14-11-2013 3:02pm

gadgetman496 wrote: »

The DVD music used is never the same as that used in the show, fact. It's to do with copyright & royalty charges.

As a musician studying commercial music in college this aspect of the music business has always pissed me off.
Royalties in this scenario should be a percentage of the profit of the DVD sales - after all, if the show isn't making a decent profit then not many people are hearing your music.

That way the artist is guaranteed some exposure (what artist in their right mind says no to being played internationally on a show they already agreed to being played nationally?) and because the royalty is based on profit, it's never "more expensive" to show something to a bigger audience.

In the age of the internet and rampant piracy, attempting to limit content by geographic area for whatever reason is one of the most idiotically doomed-to-failure policies the music industry pursues. Hell, in this case alone, this has just given those willing to do so, an actual incentive to pirate the show from the RTE Player rips instead of buying the DVDs. RTE loses, the music publishers lose, the artists lose.

If anyone can explain why the music industry refuses to move on from the 1980s (except, of course, where the quality of music is concerned

heh) I'd love to hear it.

deise08 · 14-11-2013 3:52pm

Can any the mods please make this a Wayne free zone?
my head is going to explode

AnonoBoy · 14-11-2013 3:55pm

EyeSight wrote: »

http://www.rte.ie/drama/tv/featured/lovehate/abouttheshow.html

But that's the music listings for the show as broadcast on RTE 1.

The thing is that they don't use all that music on the DVDs as they can't afford the rights.

AnonoBoy · 14-11-2013 3:57pm

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

As a musician studying commercial music in college this aspect of the music business has always pissed me off.
Royalties in this scenario should be a percentage of the profit of the DVD sales - after all, if the show isn't making a decent profit then not many people are hearing your music.

Unfortunately production companies and film studios are adept at creative accounting so if that was the setup they'd just push the profit down so the artists would get nothing.

Also if nobody had to sign off on rights then your music could be used on any auld sh*te and you'd never have a say in it. (Of course this is the case with blanket agreements on RTE and BBC at the moment!)

lufties · 14-11-2013 4:10pm

It might have been mentioned already, but has anyone noticed the emphasis on cigarette smoking in l/h, there must be some tobacco sponsorship there i would think.

Imhof Tank · 14-11-2013 4:38pm

lufties wrote: »

It might have been mentioned already, but has anyone noticed the emphasis on cigarette smoking in l/h, there must be some tobacco sponsorship there i would think.

Eh, please say you forgot to add the rolleyes to your post?

pickarooney · 14-11-2013 4:39pm

We have an icon for hand-made cigarettes?

Riskymove · 14-11-2013 4:45pm

lufties wrote: »

It might have been mentioned already, but has anyone noticed the emphasis on cigarette smoking in l/h, there must be some tobacco sponsorship there i would think.

yep

Drinks companies too

plus Glock obviously through them a few quid too

come to think of it

JP Liz V1 · 14-11-2013 4:48pm

Are ye all buying?

styron · 14-11-2013 5:17pm

Riskymove wrote: »

yep

Drinks companies too

plus Glock obviously through them a few quid too

come to think of it

Bord Bainne must have been thrilled with the product placement!

power pants · 14-11-2013 8:13pm

saw nidge's lawyer in tescos tonight, he had some fishfingers and Weetabix in his basket

hatrickpatrick · 14-11-2013 8:19pm

AnonoBoy wrote: »

Unfortunately production companies and film studios are adept at creative accounting so if that was the setup they'd just push the profit down so the artists would get nothing.

This is a fair point, although could it not be argued that they could already be doing this at home, regardless of international sales?

Also if nobody had to sign off on rights then your music could be used on any auld sh*te and you'd never have a say in it. (Of course this is the case with blanket agreements on RTE and BBC at the moment!)

Again, this is why I said "for shows one has already agreed to music being used domestically in".
It just seems to me that we're living in an age in which information has no borders, and whether legitimately or not, information will evade borders. So bearing that in mind, any form of geographic restriction only increases piracy and causes everyone involved to lose money.

The film Super 8 a couple of years ago is a good example. Massive hype, loads of marketing, US release date in early June, EU release date in early August. What happened? Everyone pirated the US version as soon as it came out. Most people I know knew the ending weeks before it was released in Irish cinemas as a result.

I get that there are problems to be overcome, sure - there always are. But it seems to me that trying to impose geographic boundaries on digital content in the age of the internet is downright impossible, and by far the greater of two evils.

Daisy03 · 14-11-2013 9:17pm

I only recently started watching Love/Hate and I am on series 3 at the moment. I just watched episode 4 and there is a bit of a story between Tommy and Georgina (the guy in the IRA's wife). I can't seem to remember them getting together... Have I missed an episode somewhere or did they not show them getting together?

OguchiOneywu · 14-11-2013 10:47pm

Daisy03 wrote: »

I only recently started watching Love/Hate and I am on series 3 at the moment. I just watched episode 4 and there is a bit of a story between Tommy and Georgina (the guy in the IRA's wife). I can't seem to remember them getting together... Have I missed an episode somewhere or did they not show them getting together?

They get together in episode 3 after the party.

ThisRegard · 15-11-2013 11:39am

BuilderPlumber wrote: »

Looking at it the first time, I'd have said Guinea did it himself or else he was working for the traveller.

Looking at it the second time, I'd have to say it was Nidge set him up.

Seriously ? The posts I was making were in jest due to people not understanding what actually happened, I was taking the piss.

heyheyhey1982 · 15-11-2013 12:01pm

ThisRegard wrote: »

Seriously ? The posts I was making were in jest due to people not understanding what actually happened, I was taking the piss.

After I watched it for the fifth time I realised it was Nidge. The slippery two faced git.

Gadgetman496 · 15-11-2013 12:29pm

heyheyhey1982 wrote: »

After I watched it for the fifth time I realised it was Nidge. The slippery two faced git.

I thought Git was dead? :eek:

bellinter · 15-11-2013 12:52pm

gadgetman496 wrote: »

I thought Git was dead? :eek:

another example of "lazy writing" from Carolan

deise08 · 15-11-2013 1:08pm

Jesus. don't think there was as much discussion over the Kennedy assasination.

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