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*Limerick GAA news/discussion thread*

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,264 ✭✭✭✭Fireball07


    relaxed wrote: »
    Any of the minor players stand out as having future potential?

    Very talented minor team, wouldn't be surprised to see a good few of them play senior- whether it be in the league or Championship. Obviously hard to gauge future progress but you could tell with players like Hannon and Dowling, so you should be able to make a few predictions.

    Richie English already an important player for Doon, Le Touche Cosgrave is a serious talent....Ronan Lynch obviously...then in the forwards, you've got Barry Nash who is already making a serious impression for South Liberties- strong direct runner and very skilful. Dave Dempsey, starting for the county champions, great score-taker. Coleman and Ryan have serious pace and tore the Adare full-back line to shreds in the first half, by all accounts, don't know if either will make it at senior intercounty level, hard to say.

    And then you have Cian Lynch who is just pure class.

    Colemania wrote: »
    It's a shame he didn't start alright. Fantastic skillful hurler. He didn't even try against croom and he still showed off some serious skill and scoring. Can be a bit wasteful alright but he's only young. Made his championship debut against na piarsigh and they didn't know what to do with him! Think he got 3 points after coming on as a sub which isn't bad on your debut against the now county champions.


    Lynch is a serious hurler. But he's still only like 16.

    I know with Clare winning with a young team, everyone is saying it's a young man's game and we should inject the team with youth.


    It's an argument worth making but rushing young players in isn't always a good idea...very easy to burn out young players, especially if they're playing lots of hurling. Shane Dowling after Na Piarsaigh made the AI semi-final, and with U-21/senior commitments just wasn't the same...had to put off an operation.

    Similar with Declan Hannon...his best performance in a Limerick jersey was against Dublin in 2011, which was after he missed the start of the Championship because of the Leaving Cert. They are two of the most talented young players in the country, and two of the best we've had in a while but both have had fitness/injury issues.



    I suppose with Clare, they have a huge amount of pace and fitness...while neither Dowling or Hannon are exactly speedsters.




    But I wouldn't just bring a load of young players straight into the team, we already have a pretty young squad, and just because Clare won it doesn't mean hurling should change. Kilkenny won how many with a good blend of experience with some youth. If Cork had won (and remember they very nearly did, if it wasn't for O'Donovan's point), would people be saying the same thing? They have a young enough team, but it's about the same as ours, I'd say.


  • Registered Users Posts: 165 ✭✭francozola


    Hardly ever post here but I said

    It's important those young minors that are still in school (Some were playing Harty today) start thinking/be guided into playing 3rd level colleges hurling. It's a step up again from minor. Going through the Cork & Clare teams that played in the All Ireland most have played Fitz at some stage and a lot of that Cork team have won it in the past few years.

    I think the draw to Tipp is kind for a number of reasons. I think there's going to be certain pressure off after the loss against Clare & winning Munster last year. It sets the team up before and after, they know they have beaten Tipp in 2013 and should have done in 2012. They'll have no fear. After the match they will know where they stand. Did they really know this after 2 championship games this year, especially after playing Cork with a spare man for 35 minutes? So if they lose, they can regroup through the qualifiers like Clare & Tipp (2010) did. Otherwise they've won a big match, will take confidence and know at worst they're in a QF. I think 14 is set up for a shot at the All Ireland and that's what the manager has to aim for.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,264 ✭✭✭✭Fireball07


    francozola wrote: »
    Hardly ever post here but I said

    It's important those young minors that are still in school (Some were playing Harty today) start thinking/be guided into playing 3rd level colleges hurling. It's a step up again from minor. Going through the Cork & Clare teams that played in the All Ireland most have played Fitz at some stage and a lot of that Cork team have won it in the past few years.

    I think the draw to Tipp is kind for a number of reasons. I think there's going to be certain pressure off after the loss against Clare & winning Munster last year. It sets the team up before and after, they know they have beaten Tipp in 2013 and should have done in 2012. They'll have no fear. After the match they will know where they stand. Did they really know this after 2 championship games this year, especially after playing Cork with a spare man for 35 minutes? So if they lose, they can regroup through the qualifiers like Clare & Tipp (2010) did. Otherwise they've won a big match, will take confidence and know at worst they're in a QF. I think 14 is set up for a shot at the All Ireland and that's what the manager has to aim for.


    The vast majority will play Fitz....a good few of the current Limerick team played Fitz for a few years. Of course, some of those minors are still only in 5th or 6th year, and can't play Fitz until 2nd year of college.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,460 ✭✭✭Orizio


    relaxed wrote: »
    Any of the minor players stand out as having future potential?

    Cosgrave and the two Lynchs looked good when I saw them last year.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,100 ✭✭✭Browney7


    Was it La Touche Cosgrave that was brought off and then back on against Galway in August? Such a move wouldn't exactly instill much belief in the other subs


  • Registered Users Posts: 165 ✭✭francozola


    Browney7 wrote: »
    Was it La Touche Cosgrave that was brought off and then back on against Galway in August? Such a move wouldn't exactly instill much belief in the other subs

    It was Tom Morrissey.

    Anyway the Minor management team are reinstalled for next year. A lot of the team are still underage so it's a vital year in terms of development.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,276 ✭✭✭thinkstoomuch1


    Orizio wrote: »
    Cosgrave and the two Lynchs looked good when I saw them last year.
    In the harty cup game ,between Ard scoil and Hamilton two wks ago or so,Cian was excellent,so much chris o leary who had a fine game today had to be taken off him,and Cork minor trevor horgan went back on him for a while.

    Ronan was very good in patches ,but Cork dual Minor michael cahalane caused him problems,then again cahalane cause most problems.

    La touch cosgrave looked good against Ag Muire, Tuesday for castletroy.


    Barry Nash,anthonys cousin got a great goal from a free ,and to beat cork development and Senior Na piasaigh goalkeeper is very good.

    Tom morrisey looked good but the Ag Muire full back wasnt at the same level.

    Eddie gunning was the man to mark him,but he was needed to mark Nash.


  • Registered Users Posts: 819 ✭✭✭glasagusban


    Jerome O'Connell's team of the club championship. Always interesting how different it is from the intercounty team, certainly some players in there worth a look on the county team or panel.


    Champions Na Piarsaigh dominate the Limerick SHC Team of the Year

    WITH Na Piarsaigh crowned Limerick senior hurling champions, Jerome O’Connell picks his Limerick SHC team of the season and outlines the reasons for his selections.

    County champions Na Piarsaigh lead the team with six of the players, while a total of six different clubs are represented. Just four members of John Allen’s 2013 Limerick senior hurling panel are named in the team.



    1. Padraig Kennedy (Na Piarsaigh)

    The Na Piarsaigh goalie continues to be a safe pair of hands for Sean Stack’s side. Now in his fifth year between the posts, Kennedy is assured in both his primary duties and also very impressive when in possession of the sliothar. Adare’s Shane O’Donoghue and Doon’s Darragh Stapleton get honourable mentions.



    2. Niall Buckley (Na Piarsiagh)

    Solid throughout the year for the Caherdavin men. Very strong in possession and drives out through challenges. Held off opposition from Liam Hurley of Kilmallock and Eoin Fitzgibbon of Doon.



    3. Kieran Breen (Na Piarsaigh)

    Mr consistency for Na Piarsaigh at the edge of the square. Goes about his business quietly but most effectively. Picked up Declan Hannon for a lot of the county final and did an admiral job. Kilmallock’s Mark O’Loughlin and Knockainey’s Patrick McNamara were others to impress for their clubs in the No3 shirt.



    4. Mikey Kiely (Ballybrown)

    Converted from an attacker to defender this season and did most impressively. Two outstanding outings against Graeme Mulcahy and Willie Griffin. Selected ahead of Na Piarsaigh’s Michael Casey and Adare’s Stephen Lavin.



    5. James O’Brien (Na Piarsaigh)

    The championship winning captain was top notch from start to finish this season. Started out at centre back but ended at wing back and did some great sweeping across the half back line. Notable performers were Dinny Moloney of Doon and Diarmuid Byrnes of Murroe-Boher.



    6. Cathal McNamara (Doon)

    The centre back was the foundation of much that was good about Doon this season. Their half back line was most impressive and McNamara held the centre well. Also contributed long range frees. Held off strong competition from David Breen of Na Piarsaigh, Gavin O’Mahony of Kilmallock and Nigel Finch of Knockainey.



    7. Wayne McNamara (Adare)

    Played centre back for the county finalists but had to make this team. Drove Adare on at all times and the club captain is clearly an inspiration to colleagues. Honourable mentions to Doon’s Richie English and Tom Ryan of South Liberties.



    8. John Fitzgibbon (Adare)

    The U-21 player was outstanding this season. Brings huge energy to midfield and chipped in with some impressive scores from play. Knockainey’s Patrick Kirby and Kilmallock’s Paudie O’Brien were other considerations.



    9. Alan Dempsey (Na Piarsaigh)

    Solved a problem area for the champions when he switched from wing back. Brought a renewed energy to the area and also found a scoring touch. Held off claims from Doon’s Niall Maher and Donal O’Grady of Granagh-Ballingarry.



    10. Seanie O’Brien (Patrickswell)

    Started the year in a blaze of glory and while wasn’t as prominent as the year ended, he certainly showed glimpses of his great potential. Doon’s Pat Ryan, Barry Nash of South Liberties and Kilmallock’s Kevin O’Donnell also enjoyed fine seasons.



    11. Declan Hannon (Adare)

    Not the best season from Hannon but regardless he finished as top scorer in the championship and accounted for the majority of the scores from an Adare side that reached the county final. Notable centre forward performances from Seanie Tobin of Murroe-Boher, Shane Dowling of Na Piarsaigh and Niall Kennedy of Granagh-Ballingarry.



    12. Alan O’Connor (Ballybrown)

    The Ballybrown man showed his value to his side in each game. In their first season back in the top flight, O’Connor’s scores from frees and from play was a solid base and a great confidence boost for his side. Adare’s Diarmuid Sexton and Patrickswell pair Kevin O’Brien and Jack Kelleher also caught the eye.



    13. Eoin Ryan (Kilmallock)

    Must have been one of the championship’s top scorers from play. Played in a variety of roles for Tony Considine’s men and always camp up trumps with vital scores. Doon’s Micheal Ryan and Ahane’s Tom Morrissey were others to prove a constant threat for their clubs.



    14. Kevin Downes (Na Piarsaigh)

    The inter-county man stood up when needed by his clubs. Outstanding in the county final and also hit vital scores enroute to the decider. Adare’s Paul Keane, Granagh-Ballingarry’s Eoin Chawke and Bruree’s Kieran O’Dea were others that were key to their clubs.



    15. Dean Coleman (Doon)

    The teenager didn’t start every game for Doon but more often than not provided the spark for some memorable wins. Developed a vital knack of scoring key goals and always had defences on the back foot. Na Piarsaigh’s Adrian Breen and Patrickswell’s Lar Considine did likewise for their clubs.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 324 ✭✭Quixoticelixer


    I think he did well enough with that selection, he pretty much credited all the main contenders for the 15 positions. I personally would have had Dowling ahead of Hannon at centre forward, mainly due to the fact Hannon spent most the year at full forward (will Adare and Limerick please stop doing that:mad:) but I'd have balanced the Adare / Na Piarsaigh numbers by placing O'Donoghue in goals ahead of NaP's Kennedy. He produced a few good saves throughout the year including an outstanding point blank save in the semi v Doon which proved to be vital at a stage when Adare were under severe pressure in the first half.

    Glad to see Cathal McNamara acknowledged.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,276 ✭✭✭thinkstoomuch1


    Whats the story with yere hurling manager?

    I heard their meant to be meeting in two weeks again.

    Sheedy i heard is not in the running.
    Two wks ago he was a firm favourite.

    Hard to know what to believe.
    I heard from the cork side cusack and ger cunnigham cork are in the running.

    Cunnigham has always said he wanted to become an intercounty manager.


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,288 ✭✭✭mickmackey1


    O'Grady to return with TJ assisting it seems, Wouldn't be against it myself.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 324 ✭✭Quixoticelixer


    If O'Grady was willing to stay long term in the event of things going well I'd be happy to have him back, even though he wouldn't be my first choice. If it's the same deal as 2011, (i.e. one year and one year only) then it would represent a step backwards.

    We need to stop doing this little "Who will manage us now?" dance every one or two years, if we go for O'Grady again we'll be right back where we are now this time next year or this time two years if we're very lucky.

    That's why my first choice would be a Limerick man, at least a Limerick man wouldn't take the job in the "I'll do this for a year or two" mindset.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 187 ✭✭peepee


    If O'Grady was willing to stay long term in the event of things going well I'd be happy to have him back, even though he wouldn't be my first choice. If it's the same deal as 2011, (i.e. one year and one year only) then it would represent a step backwards.

    Even if ye won the All Ireland next year and he left then?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 324 ✭✭Quixoticelixer


    peepee wrote: »
    Even if ye won the All Ireland next year and he left then?

    Be realistic. Do you honestly believe Donal O'Grady will come straight in and win the All-Ireland?

    The chances of that are very slim, and the most likely outcome of hiring O'Grady now will be that in twelve months time we will have no All-Ireland, and we will be searching for a new manager again.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 187 ✭✭peepee


    Well i'll answer your question if you answer mine first. Would you take an ALL Ireland with a one/two year manager?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,733 ✭✭✭Grats


    O'Grady won'tcommit to any more than 12 months I would think. He has very lucrative positions with RTE, TG4 and the Irish Examiner. Hard to see him give all that up just for the sake of Limerick hurling! There was turmoil in both Cork and Limerick before he took over and brought calmness to those camps. Won the All Ireland in 2004 with Cork. Other than that I don't know of any other achievements as a manager. There has to be somebody in Limerick with a decent cv.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 324 ✭✭Quixoticelixer


    peepee wrote: »
    Well i'll answer your question if you answer mine first. Would you take an ALL Ireland with a one/two year manager?

    You're missing the point, your question is not valid because to take your question seriously would imply that taking O'Grady for one year would guarantee an All-Ireland.

    Hiring a short term manager for one year, two at most does not guarantee an All-Ireland any more than hiring someone who intends to stay in the job for as long as possible.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,276 ✭✭✭thinkstoomuch1


    Grats wrote: »
    O'Grady some commit to any more than 12 months I would think. He has very lucrative positions with RTE, TG4 and the Irish Examiner. Hard to see him give all that up just for the sake of Limerick hurling! There was turmoil in both Cork and Limerick before he took over and brought calmness to those camps. Won the All Ireland in 2004 with Cork. Other than that I don't know of any other achievements as a manager. There has to be somebody in Limerick with a decent cv.


    Ye would be foolish not to purse Ger cunnigham of cork if hes interested.ID hate to see cork loose him,but at the same time id love to c ,he get a chance at a top job.He wont get it in cork .

    Everywhere hes been,ballygunner,ucc,cork twice,a superb coach.

    He would be in it for the long haul.He has a great affinity for limerick hurling.


    He has been involved in two different styles of play ,with cork,the running game with o grady,to the more direct,fast,all about space with jbm.


    I have seen him many a time,hes coaching drills.Their top class.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,733 ✭✭✭Grats


    Ye would be foolish not to purse Ger cunnigham of cork if hes interested.ID hate to see cork loose him,but at the same time id love to c ,he get a chance at a top job.He wont get it in cork .

    Everywhere hes been,ballygunner,ucc,cork twice,a superb coach.

    He would be in it for the long haul.He has a great affinity for limerick hurling.


    He has been involved in two different styles of play ,with cork,the running game with o grady,to the more direct,fast,all about space with jbm.


    I have seen him many a time,hes coaching drills.Their top class.

    Cunningham has a much more impressive cv than O'Grady. Other than the AI success in 2004 what else had O'Grady? Overrated?


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 324 ✭✭Quixoticelixer


    The latest I heard a while ago from my county board source* today is that DO'G is not too keen, but the CB want him to work with TJ Ryan second in command for 2014, with a view to TJ taking sole charge in 2015 for an initial two year term! Apparently they have now set their sights on Ger Cunningham, but haven't given up hope on DO'G.

    *I'll just state that the last time I spoke to this person a week ago he told me that TJ on his own was a done deal- but that appears to have been not quite true!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,276 ✭✭✭thinkstoomuch1


    O grady overated,i would not agree.

    In 2003,he took over a cork team that was in dissarray,and won a munster and got to an all ireland.


    He lost setanta in 2004.No one else would have got cocoran to come out of retirment,or the vison and bravery to play him as a full forward.

    He also converted tom kenny in to a great midfielder and introduced an running game,alien to corks tradition,and the team took to it fast.


    Limerick,in one year he done a fine job,unbeaten in the league ,won a div one play off, and brought in kevin downes who had a great season under him.

    He took over a team,in a shambles,yet one year in,brought them on hughely.Yes their was aeras of the team he needed to fix, he would have if he stayed.


    He would have started dowling and downes for a start.

    Interestingly when limerick won the munster u21, mulchay and downes gave huge praise to o grady,and said they had learned so much under him at senior and that he gave them confidence to go for goals when they were on.

    Mulchay hasnt been the same player since o grady left.

    Some managers are just good man managers,tactially inept .

    O grady was both, a man manager ,and a shrewd tactian.

    O grady never complicated things,always focused on the basic skills and picks players suited to their posistions.One of the first things he done was tell brian cococoran he was holding the hurley all wrong.And as a full forward where space is a preumium,it is vital to have the basics mastered.

    Allen never had that foresight,in fairness to him he was never a hurler, John,was a footballer ,first and foremost.

    Cunnigham is a shrewd tactian,always learning new ways ,and focuses on the basic skills too.

    A great man like o grady to see a talent ,thats raw,and develop it.

    Seamus harnedy case in point.

    He would also bring nicky quaid on to the next level,and win an all star as a keeper.

    Quaid still is raw around the edges,cunnigham would improve him no end.


    Cunnigham would also pick players on talent ,not clubs.

    It would nt matter if their were from knockainey, hospital, na piarsaigh etc,talent is all that matters.

    If limerick want an outside man ,cunnigham is the man.

    O grady and sheedy would be fantastic,but would they be in it for the long haul.


    Cork are unlikely to give him the job,when jbm goes,he wouldnt get the u21 job id say,so he has no reason not to take it if offered.

    A short enough drive, and bar the bends at awbeg,a pretty good road too travelling wise.,espically in the winter.He would also be very impressed with the excellent facilties availble to him at Ul.


    The best option for an outside coach at the moment.He knows the talent is in limerick.Ye at the very least can get to an all ireland final.


    This appointment will make or break this team.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,276 ✭✭✭thinkstoomuch1


    The latest I heard a while ago from my county board source* today is that DO'G is not too keen, but the CB want him to work with TJ Ryan second in command for 2014, with a view to TJ taking sole charge in 2015 for an initial two year term! Apparently they have now set their sights on Ger Cunningham, but haven't given up hope on DO'G.

    *I'll just state that the last time I spoke to this person a week ago he told me that TJ on his own was a done deal- but that appears to have been not quite true!
    I heard , cunnigham was approached .I heard it from a player,with close connections to the cork scence.

    If he is approached i couldnt c him turning it down.

    It hards to know what to believe though.He would want cusack with him ,id say.

    I also think o grady would recommend cunnigham ,and give him a good word.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,645 ✭✭✭paddy no 11


    The latest I heard a while ago from my county board source* today is that DO'G is not too keen, but the CB want him to work with TJ Ryan second in command for 2014, with a view to TJ taking sole charge in 2015 for an initial two year term! Apparently they have now set their sights on Ger Cunningham, but haven't given up hope on DO'G.

    *I'll just state that the last time I spoke to this person a week ago he told me that TJ on his own was a done deal- but that appears to have been not quite true!


    I'll be sick if TJ is involved


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 324 ✭✭Quixoticelixer


    I'll be sick if TJ is involved

    I still believe the guy is too unproven, but he has sway within the county board. Lets not forget, he got the under 21 job this time last year ahead of many better qualified candidates, he has some powerful friends!


  • Registered Users Posts: 819 ✭✭✭glasagusban


    I still believe the guy is too unproven, but he has sway within the county board. Lets not forget, he got the under 21 job this time last year ahead of many better qualified candidates, he has some powerful friends!

    Who would have been the many better qualified candidates?


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 187 ✭✭peepee


    Cunningham has a much more impressive cv than O'Grady. Other than the AI success in 2004 what else had O'Grady? Overrated?

    What a stupid assessment


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,264 ✭✭✭✭Fireball07


    Not sure what to make of the management rumours...

    But on the club scene, Doon won the minor hurling for the 2nd year in a row, beating Na Piarsaigh. Both clubs have put serious work in at underage level in recent years, and with this group of players have been the two dominant teams from U-14 level up. Dean Coleman scored a late goal to edge this one for Doon.

    http://www.limerickleader.ie/sport/limerick-sport/doon-retain-limerick-minor-hurling-title-1-5580519
    Scorers:

    Doon: Dean Coleman 1-8 (0-3frees), Darragh O’Donovan 1-3 (1-1 lineball, 0-2frees), Jack Hayes, Barry Murphy (1free) 0-2 each, Tadhg Whelan, Pat Ryan 0-1 each.

    Na Piarsaigh: Ronan Lynch 0-11 (all frees), David Dempsey 0-4, Dylan Cronin 1-1, Conor Boylan, Kieran Daly 0-1 each.

    DOON - Eoghan McNamara; Thomas Hayes, Stephen Ryan, Jamie Hueston; Jack Cummins, Richie English, Patrick Cummins; Shane O’Connell, Darragh O’Donovan; Pat Ryan, Jack Hayes (capt), Barry Murphy; Brian McPartland, Dean Coleman, Tadhg Whelan.

    Subs: Mark Coleman for Hueston (47mins).

    NA PIARSAIGH - Jack Ryan; Peader Collins, Michael Casey, Michael Andrews; Evan O’Brien, Conor Houlihan, Gordan Brown; Josh O’Halloran, Ronan Lynch; Dylan Cronin, David Demosey, Thomas Grimes; Conor Boylan, Kieran Dally, Peter Casey.

    Subs: David Broderick for O’Brien (h-t).


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 324 ✭✭Quixoticelixer


    Congrats to Dromin-Athlacca on their 2-18 to 1-15 victory over Knockaderry in the Intermediate final. Unfortunately they get no real reward as the restructuring ensures they will not be promoted.

    The county cup semi final losers (Murroe-Boher and Effin) should have been made contest a relegation play-off, with the loser having to play the intermediate champions in a promotion/relegation play off to determine who takes the 12th and final place in next years senior championship.

    So next years Senior Hurling championship teams; Adare, Ahane, Ballybrown, Doon, Effin, Granagh-Ballingarry, Kilmallock, Knockainey, Murroe-Boher, Na Piarsaigh, Patrickswell, South Liberties.

    Premier Intermediate Championship; Blackrock, Bruff, Bruree, Croom, Dromin-Athlacca, Garryspillane, Hospital-Herbertstown, Knockaderry.

    Intermediate; Caherline, Cappamore, Claughaun, Glenroe, Kildimo-Pallaskenry, Killeedy, Monaleen, Mungret-St.Pauls, Newcastlewest, Pallasgreen, St.Kierans, Junior Champions; (one of Castletown-Ballyagran, Feenagh-Kilmeedy, Feohanagh, Kilteely-Dromkeen)


    I'm looking forward to the Premier Intermediate championship, a very interesting format in that competition.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 393 ✭✭CheltenhamJ


    Am told that TJ wont be involved now if rumours are right


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,645 ✭✭✭paddy no 11


    Knockainey would be about 1000/1 to win that next year.

    Even though i liked the 16 team division, i think this is an improvement, it will give more competitive matches, less mismatches a la this years QF's. The premier intermediate looks good too- id go out of my way to see some of those matches knowing that the quality of hurling should be reasonable.


    If the TJ is not involved who is? I'm hanging here.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 324 ✭✭Quixoticelixer


    Knockainey would be about 1000/1 to win that next year.

    Even though i liked the 16 team division, i think this is an improvement, it will give more competitive matches, less mismatches a la this years QF's. The premier intermediate looks good too- id go out of my way to see some of those matches knowing that the quality of hurling should be reasonable.


    If the TJ is not involved who is? I'm hanging here.

    From what I've heard Donal O'Grady is out, TJ in sole charge deosn't have the required support, and Ger Cunningham is now the most likely. But to be honest I don't think they're at all close to hiring anyone, normally there are solid rumours leading up to an appointment that turn out to be true. This time it's just pure speculation all round. It would appear Sheedy was choice #1 and O'Grady was choice #2, but they both turned it down!

    SHC won't be any more competitive next year in my opinion. We'll still have Na Piarsaigh and Kilmallock way out ahead of the rest, Adare are capable of matching those two but I've a feeling they will slip back a bit, hopefully Doon can push on from next year, and Patrickswell have the beating of anyone on their day but don't yet have the quality/experience to sustain that over a full season.

    The other 7 teams are just fighting to remain senior in my opinion, certainly no one else capable of matching Na Piarsaigh or Kilmallock. A flaw of next seasons championship is the 6th placed teams in both groups are automatically relegated, hopefully the draw doesn't throw up lopsided groups. There should be two play offs where 5th plays 6th in the opposite group and vice versa.

    It's good that there will now be two teams relegated and promoted between grades now though.


  • Registered Users Posts: 819 ✭✭✭glasagusban


    Presume Sheedy has turned it down, it was there for him if he wanted it. Probably O'Grady the same. Kiely ruled himself out. The main candidates gone they'll have to dig a bit deeper and probably line up a few interviews which have yet to happen.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,264 ✭✭✭✭Fireball07


    http://www.hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=202891


    4 home games in the football league, a bit of a boost, hopefully we don't get relegated again. It does seem to be a very even league, I doubt there'll be much difference between the teams who get promoted and those who go down.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 324 ✭✭Quixoticelixer


    Fireball07 wrote: »
    http://www.hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=202891


    4 home games in the football league, a bit of a boost, hopefully we don't get relegated again. It does seem to be a very even league, I doubt there'll be much difference between the teams who get promoted and those who go down.

    Hopefully it won't be like our last stint in D3, win 3 games and still get relegated :pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,264 ✭✭✭✭Fireball07


    Hopefully it won't be like our last stint in D3, win 3 games and still get relegated :pac:

    Hopefully not.... I thought we were dreadfully unlucky that year, we were as good as either team that got promoted.


    However, I'd fear for us next year...think we're not as good as the team back then, and still without a manager.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 324 ✭✭Quixoticelixer


    Fireball07 wrote: »
    Hopefully not.... I thought we were dreadfully unlucky that year, we were as good as either team that got promoted.


    However, I'd fear for us next year...think we're not as good as the team back then, and still without a manager.

    I was at the Westmeath game over in Newcastlewest in that league campaign, I was raging at full time at the teams inability to beat a 12 man Westmeath side! Actually, unless I'm mistaken, I think we were relegated in 2008 or 2009 again after winning three games! Division 3 hasn't been kind to us :P

    Agreed on your outlook for next year, 6th place would be a good campaign in my opinion, and four home games will only help help us achieve that. We badly need to introduce a few new young players, but we can't afford to experiment in the league either, otherwise we'll be back in D4 in 2015.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,100 ✭✭✭Browney7


    Is this Ger Cunningham the former Cork goalie or is there two of them?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,276 ✭✭✭thinkstoomuch1


    Browney7 wrote: »
    Is this Ger Cunningham the former Cork goalie or is there two of them?
    Thats him.Current cork senior,overlooked for the u21 job in cork tuesday night.


    The main contender I hear.Donal og cusack meant to be going with him.

    If that did happen , do not be suprised to see Patsy Morrisey formerly of Ul,retired , brought in.Just over the road in Newtown,he knows Limerick hurling very well and i think he was involved with kilmallock before.

    Very Good mates with Cunningham.

    The limerick cunnigham is gone to Laois.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 324 ✭✭Quixoticelixer


    There are two of them. But it's the former Cork goalie we are being linked with.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,460 ✭✭✭Orizio


    Thats him.Current cork senior,overlooked for the u21 job in cork tuesday night.


    The main contender I hear.Donal og cusack meant to be going with him.

    If that did happen , do not be suprised to see Patsy Morrisey formerly of Ul,retired , brought in.Just over the road in Newtown,he knows Limerick hurling very well and i think he was involved with kilmallock before.

    Very Good mates with Cunningham.

    The limerick cunnigham is gone to Laois.

    ...what? Ger Cunningham from the Barrs wasn't being considered for the U-21 job.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,276 ✭✭✭thinkstoomuch1


    Orizio wrote: »
    ...what? Ger Cunningham from the Barrs wasn't being considered for the U-21 job.
    Is that not my point?



    I said overlooked for the job.He wasnt even considered and he would have loved that job.Thats not exactly a suprise is it ?

    Its well known he wants to coach an intercounty team.Many counties have the senior selector with their u 21 team.


    When you see who got it instead,he must know jobs in cork dont go on merit.

    But sure he knows that since 2006.

    I hope he goes to limerick .A top top coach,and be awful to c hes talent wasted.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,460 ✭✭✭Orizio


    I said overlooked for the job.He wasnt even considered and he would have loved that job.Thats not exactly a suprise is it ?

    ...your basis for this is what exactly? He coaches the AI runner ups, why would he want to manage an U-21 team with little to no talent?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,276 ✭✭✭thinkstoomuch1


    Orizio wrote: »
    ...your basis for this is what exactly? He coaches the AI runner ups, why would he want to manage an U-21 team with little to no talent?

    The great coaches dont pick and choose on talent alone.Thanks be the jesus your view is not in the coaching manual.Good coaches,take over a team,get every last inch out of them,make teams better than they are.
    Jbm could have had the same view with the seniors.Thanks be to god,its different to yours.When he took over the senior team they were in the same place as the u21team now,and senior is harder.He didnt give a damn then.They worked with what they got and made it better.

    How can u say there is no talent in cork.Loads talent in cork,you havent got a clue or dnt go many games,due respect say that.


    The problem is poor coaches playing minors out of positon ,the same at u21 and not picking the right players.


    Jbm has worked wonders with u21 players that were awful at u21.ten of the starting team in 2010 against waterford are on the senior team.


    If we all followed your template ,jim mcguiness,,liam griffin,etc would nt taken over teams based on talent availble when they took over.


    A forward line ,pa callaghan,mark sugrue, cadogan,trevor horgan, michael cahalane, and other players like colm spillane,pa herihly,patrick collins,stephen murphy,killan o connor,connor twomey etc,if coached properly can at least hold their own.

    Rubbish to say talent is not there.To me its a lazy criticism that people like to cling on ,and blame ,rather than look at the hard facts,accept,realise and change the management in cork.


    Cleary took over the u21 footballers ,the same bunch,dont forget couldnt win a game under Diarmuid O Donovan as a minor manager.You could of said in 2006 etc Cork u21 football team and from 2007 was a poisoned chalice based on the minor results but it was not.


    Do you think there was no talent at minor level last two years.?

    Of course their was,but we had a manager who had not a clue ,and the team were a shambles.That same talent is their,but Cork wont win anything for the next two years at u21 based on what he done as a minor coach.

    Tony leahy then cleary transformed them from indivudals with raw ,talents as individuals to a team that played as a team,and players improved no end.


    You want to continue the debate,id be happy to do so on the Cork thread.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 324 ✭✭Quixoticelixer


    Anyway....:P

    County senior and Intermediate football finals this weekend.

    Monaleen v Drom-Broadford on Sunday at 3.30 preceded by the minor final at 1.45 between Newcastlewest and Fr.Caseys, in Newcastlewest. Personally I'm glad the games will be held there instead of an empty Gaelic Grounds, was a good atmosphere there for the 2010 decider.

    Boring trivia; Between them, Drom-B and Monaleen have won 10 of the last 12 county finals, make that 11 out of 13 after Sunday.

    And Rathkeale (Seán Finns) v Oola in Bruff tomorrow at 2.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,276 ✭✭✭thinkstoomuch1


    In Echo tonight ,it says Cunnigham is set to be the next limerick manager.

    I wouldnt believe everything i read,but i did hear it two wks ago ,and heard it tonight in Cork.He has been offered the job.

    Id be amazed if he turned it down.

    He was in ul yesterday ,with UCC fresher team.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,460 ✭✭✭Orizio


    The great coaches dont pick and choose on talent alone.Thanks be the jesus your view is not in the coaching manual.Good coaches,take over a team,get every last inch out of them,make teams better than they are.
    Jbm could have had the same view with the seniors.Thanks be to god,its different to yours.When he took over the senior team they were in the same place as the u21team now,and senior is harder.He didnt give a damn then.They worked with what they got and made it better.

    How can u say there is no talent in cork.Loads talent in cork,you havent got a clue or dnt go many games,due respect say that.


    The problem is poor coaches playing minors out of positon ,the same at u21 and not picking the right players.


    Jbm has worked wonders with u21 players that were awful at u21.ten of the starting team in 2010 against waterford are on the senior team.


    If we all followed your template ,jim mcguiness,,liam griffin,etc would nt taken over teams based on talent availble when they took over.


    A forward line ,pa callaghan,mark sugrue, cadogan,trevor horgan, michael cahalane, and other players like colm spillane,pa herihly,patrick collins,stephen murphy,killan o connor,connor twomey etc,if coached properly can at least hold their own.

    Rubbish to say talent is not there.To me its a lazy criticism that people like to cling on ,and blame ,rather than look at the hard facts,accept,realise and change the management in cork.


    Cleary took over the u21 footballers ,the same bunch,dont forget couldnt win a game under Diarmuid O Donovan as a minor manager.You could of said in 2006 etc Cork u21 football team and from 2007 was a poisoned chalice based on the minor results but it was not.


    Do you think there was no talent at minor level last two years.?

    Of course their was,but we had a manager who had not a clue ,and the team were a shambles.That same talent is their,but Cork wont win anything for the next two years at u21 based on what he done as a minor coach.

    Tony leahy then cleary transformed them from indivudals with raw ,talents as individuals to a team that played as a team,and players improved no end.


    You want to continue the debate,id be happy to do so on the Cork thread.

    No offence but the vast majority of lads you mentioned won't be anywhere near senior inter-county standard. Pa O'Callaghan is the only lad we can expect to make it from the players you mentioned. Club hurling in Cork is mediocre at best and two of our last three Minor teams were awful. And I typically go to 60 plus hurling club games a year.

    Anyway absolutely none of this means Ger Cunningham had the slightest bit of interest in the Cork U-21 job this year. Unless you have some kind of proof backing up what you said regarding this point, there is nothing to discuss - Ger Cunningham was passed over for the senior job certainly, but not the U-21 one.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 324 ✭✭Quixoticelixer


    Anyway.....:mad::P

    Back to Limerick matters, congrats to Rathkeale on their comprehensive victory today in the intermediate final. They came close last year, and they were a class above everyone else in the Intermediate football championship this year. They have made serious progress in recent years, and they also competed quite well in the All County Senior Football league, currently sitting top of the group. (The B group, but still.)

    Good to see a town of that size have a senior club in one of the codes, and they'll be quite strong in next years senior championship in my opinion.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,264 ✭✭✭✭Fireball07


    Anyway.....:mad::P

    Back to Limerick matters, congrats to Rathkeale on their comprehensive victory today in the intermediate final. They came close last year, and they were a class above everyone else in the Intermediate football championship this year. They have made serious progress in recent years, and they also competed quite well in the All County Senior Football league, currently sitting top of the group. (The B group, but still.)

    Good to see a town of that size have a senior club in one of the codes, and they'll be quite strong in next years senior championship in my opinion.

    Couple of players to join the senior panel? Lot of people raving about Paul White.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,264 ✭✭✭✭Fireball07


    John Brudair is set to be appointed Limerick Senior Football manager as touted by some in the past couple of weeks. Good call there!


    http://www.hoganstand.com/Limerick/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=202506


    Was involved with Drom/Broadford in 2008 and 2009, as they won the Munster title. Been with Charleville hurlers recently.


    He's a highly-regarded coach but I don't know if he's going to be able to perform miracles and produce performances next season. Getting some of the old guard to stay on would be a big boost, but we need to start producing young footballers of the required standard.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 324 ✭✭Quixoticelixer


    While I feel Brudair is a good appointment, I'm a little worried about what this might mean for Limerick's playing style :p


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