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The Hazards of Belief

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,745 ✭✭✭✭kylith


    Banbh wrote: »
    Not if it was Saudi Arabia or Bahrain; the US isn't going upset its cosy relationship there. In fact, if the US chose to, it could pull the plug on that medieval dung-heap tomorrow.

    I'd have more respect for the so-called War on Terror if they'd just been honestly colonial about it. Just invade somewhere and take over, don't talk bollocks about bringing democracy and freedom when everyone knows exactly what you're really doing. And who knows, when you've mined the place dry in 50 years or so and gone home maybe the US system of government you'd have set up would stick.


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,473 Mod ✭✭✭✭robindch


    God causes a bank to freeze various church accounts in Australia.

    "“What’s happening in the centre is peripheral” explained the bishop responsible.

    http://www.centralwesterndaily.com.au/story/1825866/cross-to-bear-anglican-bank-accounts-frozen-over-debt/?cs=103
    THE Commonwealth Bank has frozen several of the Bathurst Anglican diocese’s accounts as it moves to recover as much of the $36 million debt owed as possible. The sale of the Orange Anglican Grammar School and the Macquarie Anglican Grammar School in Dubbo, finalised last Monday, “crystallised” the amount of debt hanging over the head of the troubled diocese, according to Bishop Ian Palmer, but has left it in a “very difficult place”.

    “I am unable to see clearly what the diocese may look like in the future,” Bishop Palmer said in a letter read out to parishes across the diocese. “[The debt] is large and we cannot repay the bank in full.” Bishop Palmer said individual parishes would be unaffected by the frozen bank accounts and negotiations with the bank were continuing.

    In his letter to parishioners he said “we will need to give financially and sacrificially for the work of the church in this diocese”. “At the moment there are some accounts that are frozen, these are affecting myself ... and one or two of my colleagues,” he said. “It’s affecting things like being able to use a credit card, but it’s not affecting [staff] wages.”

    The diocese’s school in Bathurst, All Saints’ College, was also “not particularly” affected by the financial situation, as it was a “separate entity”. Bishop Palmer said “intense discussion and activity” with the bank since the sale of the two schools last week would continue, but it was unclear how much would be wiped from the debt.

    “It’s a little bit difficult to say, we’re still doing our sums ... It’s not quite as simple as getting a number and taking it away from the original figure,” he said. “It’s a fairly urgent situation ... but the important thing is the parishes are continuing to operate as normal. “That’s what most people are interested in on the ground. “What’s happening in the centre is peripheral.”

    Potential asset sales were up in the air, Bishop Palmer said, but nothing had happened to reverse the decision to retain the Bluestone Hall in Orange and other properties including rectory buildings in Molong and Millthorpe, previously earmarked for sale under former Bishop Richard Hurford to recover the debt.

    Bishop Palmer said there would be more to report and consider following a meeting of the diocese synod in November.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 39,851 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Edit: given that it's Qatar that's proposing this I'd like to outline a thought I had re the WC there in 2022. If Ireland do qualify for it shouldn't we petition the FAI to adopt the gay pride colours as an away jersey to be used in all matches (as it won't clash with anyone elses) during the tournament)? It'd be a great thing for human rights and stick one up to the little fúcks running the country.

    The best thing we can do is boycott it and get as many other countries to do the same. I don't think any UEFA country is very keen on it and without Europe it would be pointless.

    I'm partial to your abracadabra
    I'm raptured by the joy of it all



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,232 ✭✭✭Brian Shanahan


    kylith wrote: »
    And who knows, when you've mined the place dry in 50 years or so and gone home maybe the US system of government you'd have set up would stick.
    When the US takes over somewhere the government it leaves behind makes Fra. Savanarola look like a hippy pacifist.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,232 ✭✭✭Brian Shanahan


    ninja900 wrote: »
    The best thing we can do is boycott it and get as many other countries to do the same. I don't think any UEFA country is very keen on it and without Europe it would be pointless.

    I actually first came up with the idea for the WC in Mother Russia, then thought better of it. Wouldn't want Putin invading the pitch on 60mins his passions inflamed by all the gay.

    We all know the real reason he's so homophobic really. Don't deny it Vlad, you look at Ricky Martin all day long!


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,442 ✭✭✭Sulla Felix


    kylith wrote: »
    So I'd be more likely to be tried and convicted in absentia and arrested if I ever showed up at the Qatari border? I can live with never going there, so that's grand.
    Might want to avoid Indonesia too. I seem to remember, but can't find a link, a case last year where a Saudi reporter was extradited back home from Indonesia for blasphemy or disrespect or something along those lines.
    Edit: Banbh got there before me. Must finish reading thread before posting. Must finish reading thread before posting. Must...


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,473 Mod ✭✭✭✭robindch


    [...] a Saudi reporter was extradited back home from Indonesia for blasphemy [...]
    That was Malaysia:

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/saudi-writer-detained-after-tweets-about-muhammad/2012/02/09/gIQApsgW2Q_story.html

    Indonesia, like Malaysia, has been receiving lots of cash from Saudi to set up Wahhabi religious "schools" of one kind or another, and that's been affecting the body politic too. But owing, I suppose, to its larger size, the corrupting effects of cash has had less of a disjunctive effect in Indonesia(*) than it's had in Malaysia.




    (*) a country for which I have enormous time, not entirely unconnected with the truly great food the country has.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 39,851 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    robindch wrote: »
    Indonesia, like Malaysia, has been receiving lots of cash from Saudi to set up Wahhabi religious "schools" of one kind or another

    Who also bankroll the megamosques here btw.

    I'm partial to your abracadabra
    I'm raptured by the joy of it all



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,473 Mod ✭✭✭✭robindch


    ninja900 wrote: »
    Who also bankroll the megamosques here btw.
    Thought Mohammed bin Rashid Al Maktoum was the guy throwing dirhams down the john here?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 39,851 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Ah yes, you're right about the new one in Clongriffin. The Clonskeagh one was supposedly paid for by a Saudi prince.

    I'm partial to your abracadabra
    I'm raptured by the joy of it all



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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Well, that escalated fairly sharpish....it would appear to be 'on like Donkey Kong'....

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057057845


  • Posts: 25,909 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Almost as ridiculous as the "Sean Sherlock" policy.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,745 ✭✭✭✭kylith


    So, what happened?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,035 ✭✭✭Banbh


    It seems that somebody on Boards has decided to implement the unworkable blasphemy law.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,540 ✭✭✭joseph brand


    Afaik, there was a thread on Tommy Robinson leaving the EDL, in AH, yesterday.
    Some user 'Vakult' seemed to have some pro EDL tendencies. "Brown people, coming over here, knicking our jobs". Must have said something unpleasant about mohammad, and a touchy muslim complained.
    "All I said was; this piece of halibut, would be good enough for Jehovah."
    Cleese: "BLASPHEMER!!! "


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,060 ✭✭✭✭biko


    Yeah, it now has its own thread here in AA, Dav has responded about it
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057057893


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    A "sex guide" by Precious Life.....Going up the Congo without so much as an anti-malaria injection would be a walk in the park compared to the dangers of ridin'.............

    http://imgur.com/a/CTFaa#KMnOzez


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 31,967 ✭✭✭✭Sarky


    The 'snappy one-liners' section that helps you to say no in a 'trendy' manner are just embarrassing.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 39,851 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Nodin wrote: »
    A "sex guide" by Precious Life.....Going up the Congo

    Thought you were speaking in euphemism for a second.
    Sarky wrote: »
    The 'snappy one-liners' section that helps you to say no in a 'trendy' manner are just embarrassing.

    Looks like someone was doodling on that page :pac:

    I'm partial to your abracadabra
    I'm raptured by the joy of it all



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,192 ✭✭✭✭PopePalpatine


    So, I was browsing Reddit (yeah, shoot me if you want), and I just found this chilling:
    ag9Y0Mx.jpg
    Fucking hell, that was dated 4 days after I was born!


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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,473 Mod ✭✭✭✭robindch


    Jewish-controlled schools caught blacking out answers on science exam papers:

    http://www.secularism.org.uk/news/2013/10/jewish-faith-school-caught-censoring-questions-on-science-exam-papers

    Meanwhile, the number of religious-controlled schools is increasing massively in the UK:

    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/sep/26/god-schools-we-pay-for-faith-academies


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,218 ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    robindch wrote: »
    Jewish-controlled schools caught blacking out answers on science exam papers:

    http://www.secularism.org.uk/news/2013/10/jewish-faith-school-caught-censoring-questions-on-science-exam-papers

    Meanwhile, the number of religious-controlled schools is increasing massively in the UK:

    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/sep/26/god-schools-we-pay-for-faith-academies

    The way things are going in the UK now is making me look back on the Thatcher years with fondness.



    Now there's a sentence I never thought I'd write.


  • Posts: 81,309 CMod ✭✭✭✭ Kate Echoing Tether


    Girls attending Yesodey Hatorah are strongly discouraged from going to university. According to Rabbi Pinter: "Our experience, is that the better educated girls turn out to be the most successful mothers. For us, that's the most important role a woman plays."

    Wat


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,232 ✭✭✭Brian Shanahan


    bluewolf wrote: »
    Wat

    The jewish religion holds that the woman is the slave to the man.

    For that matter so does the christian religion, it's just not quite as loud about it.


  • Posts: 81,309 CMod ✭✭✭✭ Kate Echoing Tether


    The jewish religion holds that the woman is the slave to the man.

    For that matter so does the christian religion, it's just not quite as loud about it.

    No, it says he doesn't want them to go to uni, then it says better educated women make better mothers which is the most important
    Either he misspoke or someone messed the article


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,989 ✭✭✭✭recedite


    bluewolf wrote: »
    No, it says he doesn't want them to go to uni, then it says better educated women make better mothers
    But in this context, "better educated" means going to his jewish school and being indoctrinated in the faith, as opposed to getting a more secular education which might include dodgy "scientific theories" such as evolution.


  • Posts: 81,309 CMod ✭✭✭✭ Kate Echoing Tether


    Maybe so
    Sounds awful contradictory anyway


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,989 ✭✭✭✭recedite


    "Cognitive dissonance"..... its a thing.
    The people running this school believe the biblical teaching that "a woman's place is in the home".
    On the other hand, modern society generally believes that education is a good thing.
    To resolve this conflict, and reduce cognitive dissonance in their own minds, they must create a system which offers the minimal level of education acceptable to societal norms, and then believe that this education actually produces a more successful mother.

    I'm not sure how they measure success in mothers though.
    Could it be in babies reared/married years?
    Maybe in terms of the husband's satisfaction rating?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 448 ✭✭Gamayun


    Not sure where to put this, I didn't want to start a new thread as I'm sure the topic itself has been covered before.

    A ban on male circumcision would be antisemitic. How could it not be?
    -Tanya Gold, Today's Guardian.

    It's been a while since I've been genuinely infuriated by an article. Thankfully the comment section has taken her to task.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Turtwig


    It seems everything is anti semetic these days.


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