Do you support the Dublin Bus workers?

hoplon · 06-08-2013 12:04AM

unkel wrote: »

So the tax payer is also paying for you to have a canteen, cook you a meal (that you can buy heavily subsidised by the tax payer) and cleaning up after you, and you still give out?

Get real. This isn't 2007 anymore.

Its hardly unreasonable to expect a large organisation to not have canteen facilities, that is cleaned by a seperate staff for that purpose.
Or would you have the drivers prepare the meals, clean up and anything else that might occur.
As the person I know related to me, by the time they dropped the bus off to the place they had to leave it, and a few other things they hardly had the opportunity to avail of the canteen facility, I've worked in jobs where I was effectively working through my lunchbreak where I wasnt paid for my lunch break.

Crappy shift allocation, not knowing if you will be working on days or not, especially bank holidays or weekends, and then they seem to be getting penalised by getting paid less for it, working unsocial hours and getting messed around isnt a pleasant experience to have ongoing, to hell with that, I wouldnt mind doing the driving for the experience, but have a look over on the motors thread, most people cant drive a car, let alone any kind of large vehicle.

While I dont really have any time for the big wigs in the unions, I think its about time ordinary workers took a stand, by the sounds of it here, this isnt the tipping point where everyone realises its time to stop believing things are going to be resolved by those in positions of power chipping away at rights and pay of those on the lowest levels and pay .scales

Gatling · 06-08-2013 12:05AM

cdebru wrote: »

Do you have the license and training ?

No my mother has though

It ain't rocket science

cdebru · 06-08-2013 12:06AM

unkel wrote: »

So the tax payer is also paying for you to have a canteen, cook you a meal (that you can buy heavily subsidised by the tax payer) and cleaning up after you, and you still give out?

Get real. This isn't 2007 anymore.

you have proven yourself clueless.

cdebru · 06-08-2013 12:07AM

Gatling wrote: »

No my mother has though

It ain't rocket science

I'm sure she is proud of you.

unkel · 06-08-2013 12:08AM

cdebru wrote: »

http://news.ie.msn.com/ireland/average-industrial-wage-rises-to-%E2%82%AC82888-per-week

really I'm out of touch you better tell msn then,and the CSO because in february this year they said it is 43,101 euro.

oh I'm embarrassed now, oh wait no that's you that is out of touch, ooops try google before you post in future saves you looking foolish.

Maybe you should update your googling skills

Not sure why you relied on US websites to find incorrect figures. I guess they confused euros for dollars :P These figures are published by the Irish Central Statistics Office. Here's the official page, it is €36k latest available figures (€694.96 * 52 weeks)

And while I don't agree with another poster that bus drivers should be on minimum wage, I fail to see why a bus driver should earn anywhere near the average industrial wage. As someone said, it requires no formal schooling and it doesn't take 4 years as an apprentice to become a bus driver

nino1 · 06-08-2013 12:08AM

B.A._Baracus wrote: »

Mate, you're looking down at them!! :pac:
But stop me if I am wrong on this one ... you got a good job right? You also feel how can someone go through life not becoming "successful" ... "successful" like yourself, right?

Or perhaps I am talking to a person on the dole :pac: I dunno. It's the internet after all :pac:

Not at all.
I'm just looking at this logically.
If a job requires no qualifications there has to be good reasons why the pay is more than minimum wage.
It's that simply.
One poster mentioned the risk of crashing which could maybe justify slightly higher than minimum wage.
Now, what else justifies the large disparity?

Gatling · 06-08-2013 12:08AM

cdebru wrote: »

I'm sure she is proud of you.

She's proud of the fact I wasnt stupid enough to apply

biko · 06-08-2013 12:11AM

I haven't read up on this strike since it doesn't concern me, or anyone outside the pale.
Sign me up for the Atari Jaguar option in the poll.

Dyr · 06-08-2013 12:12AM

unkel wrote: »

And while I don't agree with another poster that bus drivers should be on minimum wage, I fail to see why a bus driver should earn anywhere near the average industrial wage. As someone said, it requires no formal schooling and it doesn't take 4 years as an apprentice to become a bus driver

Maybe it's one of the strange effects of a strongly unionised work place

Its enough to make leo stamp his little feet.

roozer · 06-08-2013 12:14AM

biko wrote: »

I haven't read up on this strike since it doesn't concern me, or anyone outside the pale.
Sign me up for the Atari Jaguar option in the poll.

Why would you come on to post that you have no opinion on the topic!!!
No wonder you have 38,000 posts!

unkel · 06-08-2013 12:16AM

Bambi wrote: »

Maybe it's one of the strange effects of a strongly unionised work place

Its enough to make leo stamp his little feet.

It's a diffucult walk / jump down. Many people in the private sector have been on this walk, some for more than 5 years now. It's terrible, and terribly hard to make things work. What disgusts me though is that some people paid by the tax payer seem to have it in their heads that they are exempt from the recession :rolleyes:

end of the road · 06-08-2013 12:20AM

nino1 wrote: »

Bus drivers should be on the minimum wage.

no, the current wage or better or a little lower is what their entitled to

nino1 wrote: »

It's a job that requires nothing more than a bus driving license.

no, it requires way more then that

nino1 wrote: »

No skills or qualifications.

lots of skills and qualifications

nino1 wrote: »

Therefore they should be on the same wage as supermarket checkout worker.

not at all

nino1 wrote: »

If it was a private enterprise they would certainly be on minimum wage or just very slightly higher.

not true, and anyway just because the private sector does something doesn't mean the public sector has to as well, their not alike, never will be, nor should they be

blatantrereg · 06-08-2013 12:23AM

First I've heard about it too.
Cost of living has gone down if you rent surely. Doubt many of the bus drivers do though.
I've seen first-hand an area of the public sector where the unions were massively overpowered. I am fairly sure this is the same case here too. Never known a local bus route to run on time in this country. Never heard of a bus driver experiencing any sort of disciplinary measures.
I don't support them.

Gatling · 06-08-2013 12:23AM

What are these special skill and qualification's

Did they have to attend

TOPBUS

And sing karoke

And call signs

end of the road · 06-08-2013 12:24AM

nino1 wrote: »

If you we're the owner of a private bus company would you pay them more than that when any joe soap off the street can be taught to drive a bus

i wouldn't employ any old joe soap off the street who can be just "thought to drive a bus" i'd be expecting a certain amount of years experience and a good record in all relevant areas to do with bus driving, and i would be paying an attractive rate to try to get good drivers to my company, good drivers = a good standard of service = lots of customers

cdebru · 06-08-2013 12:28AM

unkel wrote: »

Maybe you should update your googling skills

Not sure why you relied on US websites to find incorrect figures. I guess they confused euros for dollars :P These figures are published by the Irish Central Statistics Office. Here's the official page, it is €36k latest available figures (€694.96 * 52 weeks)

And while I don't agree with another poster that bus drivers should be on minimum wage, I fail to see why a bus driver should earn anywhere near the average industrial wage. As someone said, it requires no formal schooling and it doesn't take 4 years as an apprentice to become a bus driver

No that is average weekly earnings, we were talking average industrial wage which is 43,101 it is in that link if you had bothered to read it, but here you go from a different source.
http://businessetc.thejournal.ie/average-industrial-wage-828-88-per-week-805225-Feb2013

end of the road · 06-08-2013 12:33AM

unkel wrote: »

So the tax payer is also paying for you to have a canteen, cook you a meal (that you can buy heavily subsidised by the tax payer) and cleaning up after you

its only a meal, their entitled to it the long hours they work on behalf of the public

Francesco · 06-08-2013 12:36AM

I support them fully. As if ordinary bus drivers bankrupted this country. Let them cut the raft of managers in the public sector for a change.

Amirani · 06-08-2013 12:38AM

Francesco wrote: »

I support them fully. As if ordinary bus drivers bankrupted this country. Let them cut the raft of managers in the public sector for a change.

Did private sector workers who have been made redundant bankrupt the country? Should we give them jobs driving buses too?

cdebru · 06-08-2013 12:39AM

blatantrereg wrote: »

First I've heard about it too.
Cost of living has gone down if you rent surely. Doubt many of the bus drivers do though.
I've seen first-hand an area of the public sector where the unions were massively overpowered. I am fairly sure this is the same case here too. Never known a local bus route to run on time in this country. Never heard of a bus driver experiencing any sort of disciplinary measures.
I don't support them.

You never knew a local bus route to be on time ? You should tell the NTA, they reckon that over 90% of buses are on time.
As fo you never hearing of a bus driver experiencing any sort of disciplinary measures, why would you hear, do you think it should make the rte main news bulletin or that DB should write to you and tell you every time they discipline a driver?
Hmmmm just because you are not informed doesn't mean it is not happening.

cdebru · 06-08-2013 12:41AM

end of the road wrote: »

its only a meal, their entitled to it the long hours they work on behalf of the public

It is paid for not free or heavily subsidised.

end of the road · 06-08-2013 12:42AM

periodictable wrote: »

Fire them

hardly any drivers to replace them, i only want experienced drivers driving any bus i use not any old joe sope off the street.

periodictable wrote: »

disband the unions

can't be done as their vital to ensure employment law is stook to, anyway if the failure that is maggy thatcher couldn't get rid of the unions then safe to say leo the loser hasn't a chance

periodictable wrote: »

disband Bus Eireann

Bus Eireann along with all the other CIE companies are vital to ensure that most parts of the country have some access to public transport

periodictable wrote: »

let em all come into the real world.

their all ready there, the staff in these companies have all ready and will take more cuts, its just they believe that all parts of the companies apart from services should be looked at for cuts along with them rather then just they take a cut while business as usual continues in the other parts of the companies

unkel · 06-08-2013 12:42AM

I'm too tired to do any more googling now dude, but I feel a wage of about 25k would be more than enough for a bus driver. We all really need to stretch down to size with this massive recession. It's tough, but we can do it. I've been at it myself for more than 5 years now...

Guy:Incognito · 06-08-2013 12:45AM

Francesco wrote: »

I support them fully. As if ordinary bus drivers bankrupted this country. Let them cut the raft of managers in the public sector for a change.

What has that got to do with whats goibg on in dublin bus. There was plenty of horse**** like that being spouted on the radio earlier. Dublin bus needs to cut costs. End of.

But if you want to go that route anyway , so does the coubtry. Nothing to do with paying debts of the banks or anything else, the country costs billions more to run on a day to day basis than is taken in. Thats public sector pay, running hospitals, schools, paying social welfare etc.

Francesco · 06-08-2013 12:46AM

NiallSparky wrote: »

Did private sector workers who have been made redundant bankrupt the country?

No, unless they were dunner, fingers, seanie, etc.

NiallSparky wrote: »

Should we give them jobs driving buses too?

Yes, if they have the licence and successfully apply for the next job vacancy, and they should also be paid the same.

Guy:Incognito · 06-08-2013 12:47AM

end of the road wrote: »

hardly any drivers to replace them, i only want experienced drivers driving any bus i use not any old joe sope off the street

Where did the lads that are driving now get their experience, magician school?

Francesco · 06-08-2013 12:48AM

unkel wrote: »

I'm too tired to do any more googling now dude, but I feel a wage of about 25k would be more than enough for a bus driver. We all really need to stretch down to size with this massive recession. It's tough, but we can do it. I've been at it myself for more than 5 years now...

But why should all ordinary workers be dragged down to your wage instead of you being paid more ?

A race to the bottom among ordinary workers benefits no one other than the rich

Guy:Incognito · 06-08-2013 12:51AM

Francesco wrote: »

But why should all ordinary workers be dragged down to your wage instead of you being paid more ?

A race to the bottom among ordinary workers benefits no one other than the rich

Whereas continually increasing wages has everyone living in happy prosperous land yeah? Sure the countries going great

Francesco · 06-08-2013 12:53AM

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

Whereas continually increasing wages has everyone living in happy prosperous land yeah? Sure the countries going great

Seems it's grand for the bondholders, developers and the banksters, oh that's right, ordinary bus drivers are the real problem in Ireland

NegativeCreep · 06-08-2013 12:56AM

Francesco wrote: »

Seems it's grand for the bondholders, developers and the banksters, oh that's right, ordinary bus drivers are the real problem in Ireland

Just because they weren't the cause doesn't mean they should be exempt from cuts though. I didn't cause it either, still have to pay for it one way or the other though.

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