Do you support the Dublin Bus workers?

Eoin

cdebru wrote: »

If you want to see what non unionised world looks like take a trip over to Microsoft, the agency workers on temp contracts, just over minimum wage, forced to work weekends , overtime to get those end of period returns done with no pay and then after 6 months have to reapply for a job most don't get because they want them out of there before they have any rights.
of course we should be happy to have them here so we just kiss their ass in case they move, not that it would make much difference as they mostly exploit young foreign people.

I work in the non-unionised world and much prefer it, having come from a unionised company.

They are plenty of very happy, experienced people working for foreign IT companies in Ireland. Those companies are in the wrong country by a long shot if you think they're here to exploit workers.

Do not assume that people who don't have a union at work want to be part of one.

hoplon wrote:

Or would you have the drivers prepare the meals, clean up and anything else that might occur.

Yes - they're grown-ups! They can bring in a sandwich / use a microwave like most people do at work, can't they?

Guy:Incognito

Francesco wrote: »

Seems it's grand for the bondholders, developers and the banksters, oh that's right, ordinary bus drivers are the real problem in Ireland

You know just saying the latest buzzwords doesnt make a valid point.

People are paid too much and companies are closing. If dublin bus was a private company it would have shut down with the losses it makes.

Francesco

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

You know just saying the latest buzzwords doesnt make a valid point.

People are paid too much and companies are closing. If dublin bus was a private company it would have shut down with the losses it makes.

If that's the true why don't they cut the raft of managers they have for a start?

Loss making is down to bad management.

As if bus drivers were paid billions by the Irish taxpayer, unlike private bankers, developers, bondholders and their cronies.

Where do you think this ordinary worker race to the bottom is going to get you ?

Gatling

Francesco wrote: »

If that's the true why don't they cut the raft of managers they have for a start?

Loss making is down to bad management.

As if bus drivers were paid billions by the Irish taxpayer, unlike private bankers, developers, bondholders and their cronies.

Where do you think this ordinary worker race to the bottom is going to get you ?

Whats bankers got to do with buses

Francesco

NegativeCreep wrote: »

Just because they weren't the cause doesn't mean they should be exempt from cuts though. I didn't cause it either, still have to pay for it one way or the other though.

And why should you have to pay instead of billionaire bondholders, bankers and developers ? Have you been brainwashed into thinking you were the problem ?

How to you think a race to the bottom between ordinary workers is going to suit you in the long run, while billions of taxpayers money are paid out to the rich ?

Francesco

Gatling wrote: »

Whats bankers got to do with buses

They are the reason the country is bankrupt, not bus drivers. Yet there is still billions being paid out to bankers and boldholders, do you not think that is the height of hypocrisy ?

srm23

Femme_Fatale wrote: »

How come LUAS/DART and walking some of the way aren't options? Not being smart, just curious.

emm because the Luas doesn't service an enormous amount of Dublin where people need to get to/from.
The DART only serves the coast line

Amirani

Francesco wrote: »

And why should you have to pay instead of billionaire bondholders, bankers and developers ? Have you been brainwashed into thinking you were the problem ?

How many billionaires do you think there are in Ireland out of interest? Rough guess.

NegativeCreep

Francesco wrote: »

And why should you have to pay instead of billionaire bondholders, bankers and developers ? Have you been brainwashed into thinking you were the problem ?

How to you think a race to the bottom between ordinary workers is going to suit you in the long run, while billions of taxpayers money are paid out to the rich ?

Oh I think they should pay too but that wouldn't be enough to get us out of the predicament we're in. Everyone has to take a hit in order to get out of this recession.

Gatling

Francesco wrote: »

They are the reason the country is bankrupt, not bus drivers. Yet there is still billions being paid out to bankers and boldholders, do you not think that is the height of hypocrisy ?

Time too grow up please

There's a real world out there

Francesco

NegativeCreep wrote: »

Oh I think they should pay too but that wouldn't be enough to get us out of the predicament we're in. Everyone has to take a hit in order to get out of this recession.

So how come they aren't ? Do you not think the wealthy fraudsters that caused this mess should take the hit first for change ?

Francesco

Gatling wrote: »

Time too grow up please

There's a real world out there

Perhaps you should try addressing the point, rather than resorting to personal abuse. In the real world billions of our taxes are being paid to cover the private speculation and gambling debts of the rich, and instead people are mad at ordinary bus drivers, ordinary workers trying to protect their wages.

The Narrator

Honestly don't think people understand how much of the city dublin bus serves without other access.

It's a large amount, this is a massive f**k you to the people that pay their wages.

Gatling

Francesco wrote: »

Perhaps you should try addressing the point, rather than resorting to personal abuse. In the real world billions of our taxes are being paid to cover the private speculation and gambling debts of the rich.

Personal abuse

Seriously

NegativeCreep

Francesco wrote: »

So how come they aren't ? Do you not think the wealthy fraudsters that caused this mess should take the hit first for change ?

If every cent was taken from banksters and bondholders and whoever else in the morning, Dublin Bus would still need to make cuts! It's completely irrelevant to the discussion.

Francesco

NegativeCreep wrote: »

If every cent was taken from banksters and bondholders and whoever else in the morning, Dublin Bus would still need to make cuts! It's completely irrelevant to the discussion.

But not a cent has been taken from them and we continue to pay billions towards their private speculation and gambling debts, therefore its completely relevant.

2 billion in legal fees is being paid to a few select private law firms in Dublin for SCAMA, yet I don't hear anyone calling for that to be cut ? Instead bus drivers and other ordinary workers are the problem. lol

miju

If I've read right their core pay is 40k before overtime etc. If thats the case then not a hope in hell.

HurtLocker

Francesco wrote: »

But not a cent has been taken from them and we continue to pay billions towards their private speculation and gambling debts, therefore its completely relevant.

2 billion in legal fees is being paid to a few select private law firms in Dublin for SCAMA, yet I don't hear anyone calling for that to be cut ? Instead bus drivers and other ordinary workers are the problem. lol

All those socialist buzz words in such small space of time gave me a headache.

As to the bit I put in bold. No it's not.

Gatling

Even worse management agreed to pay cuts

The unions claim they weren't informed of the above

So drivers complaining its not fair there getting wage cuts and management isn't so one of the reasons there on strike went out the door

B.A._Baracus

The Narrator wrote: »

Honestly don't think people understand how much of the city dublin bus serves without other access.

It's a large amount, this is a massive f**k you to the people that pay their wages.

Dublin Bus serves alot, alright. You really feel it when it's not there.
As much as the trains, luas or even bus eireann services provide. Dublin Bus connects so many dots within Dublin.

cdebru

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

You know just saying the latest buzzwords doesnt make a valid point.

People are paid too much and companies are closing. If dublin bus was a private company it would have shut down with the losses it makes.

No if Dublin bus was a private company it would not tolerate the current free travel scheme.

1.1 million entitled to free travel ( god know how many with passes that never expire not to mention the forged or sold "lost" passes)

60 million euro paid to Irish Rail Bus eireann and Dublin Bus for the year, Dublin bus gets about 20 million which means 2 euro per person per year, even if you say only a third of those people live in Dublin it still only amounts to 6 euro per person per year. It wouldn't even buy them a day ticket.
And that is just the legitimate ones.

Any private company would have told the government to stick it years ago. No private company could operate where the government handed out free passes to use their product or service to a third of the adult population and then paid them a fraction of the cost.
The only option is to screw the paying customers and try lower you costs by attacking your workers conditions and that is what is happening.

hoplon

HurtLocker wrote: »

All those socialist buzz words in such small space of time gave me a headache.

As to the bit I put in bold. No it's not.

But it is relevant, you cant look at anything in isolation and say it is not affected by the circumstances around it.

Gatling wrote: »

Even worse management agreed to pay cuts

The unions claim they weren't informed of the above

So drivers complaining its not fair there getting wage cuts and management isn't so one of the reasons there on strike went out the door

Why is that even worse, what rate or how much, no doubt these cuts are off a base level much higher than what ordinary workers receive.

cdebru

Gatling wrote: »

Even worse management agreed to pay cuts

The unions claim they weren't informed of the above

So drivers complaining its not fair there getting wage cuts and management isn't so one of the reasons there on strike went out the door

Smoke screen, the LC rec and none of the company documents never mentioned any management cut. But obviously they would have to take a cut, so why it only gets discussed 2 days into a dispute.

The whole thing is a joke, DB management are softening up their employees that is all, and the unions are in their pocket.

BMMachine

somewhere, in the main HQ of Dublin Bus, there is quite a phenomenal event occurring. An up close event horizon here on planet earth. This black hole though is different to every other type we have observed in our Universe as instead of sucking up and destroying all matter, it is only absorbing and then destroying money. The local inhabitants can't quite explain the event, all they know is that any money that comes into the company is sucked up and destroyed by this hole but they still persevere on...

/Prof. Brian Cox

Fratoue

The Narrator wrote: »

Honestly don't think people understand how much of the city dublin bus serves without other access.

It's a large amount, this is a massive f**k you to the people that pay their wages.

Good point, It's a disgraceful spit in the face to a weary, disgruntled public and if we had any balls we'd boycott Dublin bus when the ****ers stop throwing their toys out of the pram. Unfortunately never happen, Irish people are lazy and weak-willed and thus take any old ****.

These drivers forget they work for the public and are in the public sector, why piss off those that keep you in a job?

As for those complaining about 'junkies' (derogatory code for the marginalized in Dublin with severe mental illness) having free passes etc, get a life, you're only pissed off you haven't yet realized how to scam one from the state yet. It's a zero sum game, take what you can why begrudge someone a free pass?. Pathetic.

cdebru

Fratoue wrote: »

Good point, It's a disgraceful spit in the face to a weary, disgruntled public and if we had any balls we'd boycott Dublin bus when the ****ers stop throwing their toys out of the pram. Unfortunately never happen, Irish people are lazy and weak-willed and thus take any old ****.

These drivers forget they work for the public and are in the public sector, why piss off those that keep you in a job?

As for those complaining about 'junkies' (derogatory code for the marginalized in Dublin with severe mental illness) having free passes etc, get a life, you're only pissed off you haven't yet realized how to scam one from the state yet. It's a zero sum game, take what you can why begrudge someone a free pass?. Pathetic.

Not in the public sector if they were they would have benefited from bench marking which they didn't and they would be covered by the CPA and the Haddington road agreement which they are not.

I don't begrudge anyone a free pass, they have to be paid for though so if it is government policy to hand out free passes to a third of the adult population then the onus is on them to fund it. simple. There is no such thing as a free pass, it is just someone else pays for it. In this case the fare paying travelling public and the employees.

Gatling

Anyhow

How long before we see a sell off and privatisation brought in

Celtise

Most of the people I know that have been educated to masters level since recession hit are earning less than €30,000pa and dont get overtime/sick pay/pension contributions. They should just go out and get bus licences apparently and they would be better off even with the proposed reductions.

devnull

cdebru wrote: »

No if Dublin bus was a private company it would not tolerate the current free travel scheme.

Any private company would have told the government to stick it years ago. No private company could operate where the government handed out free passes to use their product or service to a third of the adult population and then paid them a fraction of the cost.
The only option is to screw the paying customers and try lower you costs by attacking your workers conditions and that is what is happening.

There are many private companies who accept the free pass, apart from those who have started new routes in the last 12 months who have been barred from joining.

But then again it doesn't suit your agenda.

IvySlayer

Ahh there's people standing at a Dublin Bus stop outside my house...Do I have to get up and inform them?