Does anyone feel insulted by the abortion proposals?

Aineoil · 31-07-2013 08:51PM

eviltwin wrote: »

I think sometimes that is the right decision, sometimes we have to accept the greater good of society is more important that what we would personally choose or want for ourselves.

OMG, greater good of society? I don't want to be part of society if that what it's about.....Who decides "the greater good of society"?

I want a desert island.....

Galwayguy35 · 31-07-2013 08:53PM

lazygal wrote: »

No, I'm saying that I don't understand why you want to deny all women in Ireland the right to access abortion. You said you have 'no idea' what women in Ireland with crisis pregnancies would do if they couldn't go 'next door'. Have you thought about that at all? What would your partner, or sister, or mother, or friend, or cousin, or colleague do if she had a crisis pregnancy and couldn't go next door?

It's not about 'believing in' something, its about why you think no one should be able to avail of something because you don't think its right.

Lets be realistic, I'm giving a personal opinion, it won't deny anyone anything I think we all know that.

All my immediate family, male and female are on the same page as me on this so it wouldn't be an issue.

I simply said i wouldn't like to see liberal abortion coming in here, but if a majority voted for it obviously would accept the will of the people.

Thats not being unreasonable now is it?

eviltwin · 31-07-2013 08:53PM

Aineoil wrote: »

OMG, greater good of society? I don't want to be part of society if that what it's about.....Who decides "the greater good of society"?

I want a desert island.....

I think the health care needs of women is the greater good than my personal opinion on abortion.

lazygal · 31-07-2013 09:00PM

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

Lets be realistic, I'm giving a personal opinion, it won't deny anyone anything I think we all know that.

All my immediate family, male and female are on the same page as me on this so it wouldn't be an issue.

I simply said i wouldn't like to see liberal abortion coming in here, but if a majority voted for it obviously would accept the will of the people.

Thats not being unreasonable now is it?

Really? Everyone you know has exactly the same views on abortion as you? I'm very prochoice - but I know not everyone in my social circles is, some would be very opposed to the recent legislation. You said you'd vote against a more liberal regime - which, as has been pointed out, would impose your views if your vote meant abortion wasn't available to women.

I still await your response to what women in Ireland with crisis pregnancies do when 'next door' isn't an option.

Galwayguy35 · 31-07-2013 09:06PM

lazygal wrote: »

Really? Everyone you know has exactly the same views on abortion as you? I'm very prochoice - but I know not everyone in my social circles is, some would be very opposed to the recent legislation. You said you'd vote against a more liberal regime - which, as has been pointed out, would impose your views if your vote meant abortion wasn't available to women.

I still await your response to what women in Ireland with crisis pregnancies do when 'next door' isn't an option.

Yes all my family have the same view as me, does it surprise you that my sisters are pro life?

Aineoil · 31-07-2013 09:08PM

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

Lets be realistic, I'm giving a personal opinion, it won't deny anyone anything I think we all know that.

All my immediate family, male and female are on the same page as me on this so it wouldn't be an issue.

I simply said i wouldn't like to see liberal abortion coming in here, but if a majority voted for it obviously would accept the will of the people.

Thats not being unreasonable now is it?

It must be nearly 20 years ago, and I had the same view point as you do now. Two ladies in their 40's at the time made a point to me you are in favour of abortion or not. It made me think.
You cannot legislate for abortion - they said, you either want it or you don't. At the time I thought they were wrong.....but after being alive for 47 years I have had to re-think things. Nothing is simple.

Just because abortion could be an option in Ireland, I don't think people would rush into it? It's like the divorce issue

Galwayguy35 · 31-07-2013 09:09PM

lazygal wrote: »

Really? Everyone you know has exactly the same views on abortion as you? I'm very prochoice - but I know not everyone in my social circles is, some would be very opposed to the recent legislation. You said you'd vote against a more liberal regime - which, as has been pointed out, would impose your views if your vote meant abortion wasn't available to women.

I still await your response to what women in Ireland with crisis pregnancies do when 'next door' isn't an option.

Thats how a vote works, you either vote for or against, and one side wins, its that simple.

I told you before i don't have the answer, do you want me to say I think we should bring in liberal abortion?

Galwayguy35 · 31-07-2013 09:12PM

Aineoil wrote: »

It must be nearly 20 years ago, and I had the same view point as you do now. Two ladies in their 40's at the time made a point to me you are in favour of abortion or not. It made me think.
You cannot legislate for abortion - they said, you either want it or you don't. At the time I thought they were wrong.....but after being alive for 47 years I have had to re-think things. Nothing is simple.

Just because abortion could be an option in Ireland, I don't think people would rush into it? It's like the divorce issue

Unfortunately I couldn't vote in 1992 because I was only 17.

eviltwin · 31-07-2013 09:13PM

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

Thats how a vote works, you either vote for or against, and one side wins, its that simple.

I told you before i don't have the answer, do you want me to say I think we should bring in liberal abortion?

so do you ever give a thought to those women who don't have the ability to the uk?

Aineoil · 31-07-2013 09:15PM

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

Thats how a vote works, you either vote for or against, and one side wins, its that simple.

I told you before i don't have the answer, do you want me to say I think we should bring in liberal abortion?

But we do have liberal abortion - it's called go to England

I just feel these women who need to go England and get no after care, you might if you live in Dublin, via the well woman's centre

Galwayguy35 · 31-07-2013 09:16PM

eviltwin wrote: »

so do you ever give a thought to those women who don't have the ability to the uk?

Yes i do,

Aineoil · 31-07-2013 09:22PM

17 in 1992...I give up

It's like an argument with my teenage son.......he thinks he knows it all......why do I bother?

rainbow kirby · 31-07-2013 09:25PM

Aineoil wrote: »

But we do have liberal abortion - it's called go to England

Which is a total copout - an Irish solution to an Irish problem. Why should anyone ever have to leave their own country just to access medical treatment?

lazygal · 31-07-2013 09:27PM

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

Yes all my family have the same view as me, does it surprise you that my sisters are pro life?

No, it surprises me that no family or friends of yours have differing views on abortion.

Morag · 31-07-2013 09:27PM

I was also 17 in 1992, and I am very much pro choice, pro women's lives, pro women's health and anti laws which remove my rights and amendments which put my health at risk and anti a two tier system which is unfair.

eviltwin · 31-07-2013 09:28PM

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

Yes i do,

Well then I have to ask, what are your thoughts?

Cause if you would still vote against abortion because you personally don't like the idea knowing you are leaving those women in a terrible position then I have to wonder do you feel bad about that?

Galwayguy35 · 31-07-2013 09:32PM

eviltwin wrote: »

Well then I have to ask, what are your thoughts?

Cause if you would still vote against abortion because you personally don't like the idea knowing you are leaving those women in a terrible position then I have to wonder do you feel bad about that?

Yes its a horrible situation to be in but I still would never vote for killing an unborn life.

lazygal · 31-07-2013 09:34PM

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

Yes its a horrible situation to be in but I still would never vote for killing an unborn life.

What about women in crisis pregnancies, what should they do?

Morag · 31-07-2013 09:34PM

So what will do when more legal abortion rights are granted to women in this country?

eviltwin · 31-07-2013 09:35PM

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

Yes its a horrible situation to be in but I still would never vote for killing an unborn life.

In all cases ie rape, abnormalities etc

Galwayguy35 · 31-07-2013 09:39PM

lazygal wrote: »

What about women in crisis pregnancies, what should they do?

They will do what they have always done, take the boat or decide to keep it.

Your idea that the Brits will ban Irish women going over will never happen.

Galwayguy35 · 31-07-2013 09:41PM

eviltwin wrote: »

In all cases ie rape, abnormalities etc

I know a woman would never want to keep a rapists baby, it still wouldn't make me vote yes though.

Morag · 31-07-2013 09:41PM

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

They will do what they have always done, take the boat or decide to keep it.

What about those who decide they don't want to continue the pregnancy and can't afford the 1,500 it costs to go for an abortion abroad?

What about those who decide they don't want to continue the pregnancy and use abortion pills here?

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

Your idea that the Brits will ban Irish women going over will never happen.

Would you be in favor of removing the right to travel of pregnant women in case they get an abortion?

Would you be in favour of women who do travel facing legal sanctions in line with the new law which is up to 14 years in jail?

homemadecider · 31-07-2013 09:42PM

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

They will do what they have always done, take the boat or decide to keep it.

Your idea that the Brits will ban Irish women going over will never happen.

So you're not actually against abortion, seeing as how you're quite happy for women to "take the boat"... you're just against abortion in the Republic of Ireland???

lazygal · 31-07-2013 09:42PM

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

They will do what they have always done, take the boat or decide to keep it.

Your idea that the Brits will ban Irish women going over will never happen.

And those who can't travel, what do they do? What if they decide not to keep 'it' but can't travel, what options do they have?

rainbow kirby · 31-07-2013 09:45PM

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

Your idea that the Brits will ban Irish women going over will never happen.

Never underestimate what harebrained ideas the Tories will come up with.

Why should we be relying on another country to provide those services anyway? It's a dangerous position to be in. (and despite what the anti-choice movement likes to believe, abortion services are a necessary part of women's reproductive health care practice)

Galwayguy35 · 31-07-2013 09:45PM

homemadecider wrote: »

So you're not actually against abortion, seeing as how you're quite happy for women to "take the boat"... you're just against abortion in the Republic of Ireland???

Another one putting words in my mouth, its nothing to do with me what they do, if there was a vote here on it i just wouldnt vote for it.

Galwayguy35 · 31-07-2013 09:47PM

lazygal wrote: »

And those who can't travel, what do they do? What if they decide not to keep 'it' but can't travel, what options do they have?

Not many at the moment, so lets let the people decide, the balls in the governments court.

lazygal · 31-07-2013 09:48PM

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

Another one putting words in my mouth, its nothing to do with me what they do, if there was a vote here on it i just wouldnt vote for it.

So why is it OK for women to go next door, have an abortion, and face no sanction on her return, but not have an abortion here? Why do you think its okay for a woman to travel to 'kill a baby'?

homemadecider · 31-07-2013 09:48PM

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

Another one putting words in my mouth, its nothing to do with me what they do, if there was a vote here on it i just wouldnt vote for it.

But you don't object to women going to the UK to 'kill an unborn child'?

Does anyone feel insulted by the abortion proposals?

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