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Retr0gamer · 19-07-2013 11:14am

There's also clearly not enough bosses for it to be a Strider game

DinoRex · 19-07-2013 11:16am

Yeah. It looks pretty lazy. Exactly what you'd expect a half ass update of a 2D pixel game to look like.

Flashback looks a bit more promising though:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HxfNmui1S1Q

Jack burton · 19-07-2013 11:59am

it does look promising indeed!

Be hard to **** up flashback in fairness......Fade to black didnt happen BTW

CiDeRmAn · 19-07-2013 12:15pm

Jack burton wrote: »

it does look promising indeed!

Be hard to **** up flashback in fairness......Fade to black didnt happen BTW

Ah now,
I loved that game on PC and the superior PS version, played the both to completion, it actually works very well as a sequel to Flashback.

Retr0gamer · 19-07-2013 12:16pm

I think Fade to Black gets an undeserved bad reputation. It was critically very well received when it was released on PC and I really enjoyed it.

Playing it now it's a total unplayable mess of a game but back when 3D was very early it was very impressive for what it was. It's a bit like Goldeneye in that regard.

deathrider · 19-07-2013 12:20pm

CiDeRmAn wrote: »

Well
Castlevania is Metroid in a drafty old castle!
Super Metroid did come first.

I realise this, but since this is my first Metroid outing and I've already played multiple Castlevania titles, I'm sure you can see why it feels like Castlevania in space to me, as opposed to the other way round.

DinoRex · 19-07-2013 12:52pm

Flashback is on the cover of Retrogamer this month, picked up a copy last night.

I am now going to get a big feck off roll from Superquinn and read it.

CiDeRmAn · 19-07-2013 1:09pm

DinoRex wrote: »

Flashback is on the cover of Retrogamer this month, picked up a copy last night.

I am now going to get a big feck off roll from Superquinn and read it.

Carpe Diem, Quam Minimum Credula Postero!

Dr Bob · 19-07-2013 4:10pm

Nerdkiller1991 wrote: »

I got my lead pipe ready. BRING IT ON!

Now...did anyone else watch Pacific Rim?

..I'll get my coat..

Star Lord · 19-07-2013 5:40pm

Nerdkiller1991 wrote: »

Does anyone else hate the term "Metroidvania"? It just sounds so painfully uncreative.

DinoRex wrote: »

See there's a new Strider game on the way... unfortunately it's by the crowd who did Silent Hill Homecoming.

I've seen 'Metroidvania' being applied to this too. >_<
If it was done with hand-drawn sprites, á lá Rayman Origins/Legends, and stopped with this semi-2D/3D look, and kept more of the original style, I'd be much happier about the announcement. Not everything has to be super realistic looking!!!

I got super excited seeing the headline, then gutted when I saw the trailer/gameplay trailer:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aAQbh00CcJU

[edit]
I also hate the way that the way he runs looks ridiculous with those realistic visuals, especially the way the only thing that changes when he's on an incline is the angle of the run animation... :mad:

Touch Fuzzy Get Dizzy · 19-07-2013 11:07pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=64K9Fvdy7tA

CiDeRmAn · 19-07-2013 11:40pm

Just back from seeing The Worlds End and it was... Ok...
Felt like a big missed opportunity, not in the same league as Shaun of the Dead or Hot Fuzz, Paul was far more enjoyable.
The film felt s lot like s Spaced cast reunion tbh, but Jessica wisely stayed away.
I'll wait now for Johnny Us rebuttal!

Nerdkiller1991 · 20-07-2013 1:03am

Did anyone else watch The Iron Giant on Film4, last weekend? I wanted to say this days ago, but because of CiDeR clobbering himself with a lead pipe, I didn't get to.

johnny_ultimate · 20-07-2013 1:13am

CiDeRmAn wrote: »

Just back from seeing The Worlds End and it was... Ok...
Felt like a big missed opportunity, not in the same league as Shaun of the Dead or Hot Fuzz, Paul was far more enjoyable.
The film felt s lot like s Spaced cast reunion tbh, but Jessica wisely stayed away.
I'll wait now for Johnny Us rebuttal!

No rebuttal

I agree, 'twas underwhelming to say the least, all over the place to be honest! I actually thought it worked better as a character study than a sci-fi film or comedy, which is an incredibly strange feeling in this sort of film. To their credit, Pegg & Frost did some of their best work, but it's everything else that's underperforming.

CiDeRmAn · 20-07-2013 1:41am

I watched the interview with the director and leads by Jackson and thought that they just couldn't give a fig.
The last 5 minutes had more creativity then the previous hour!
There was a touch of 2012 about it, with much of the movie spent with the cast running away from stuff.
Attack the Block kinda has done Brit invasion already to perfection.
And the big celebrity cameo is a waste of time, he just can't act!
Eddie Marsen was my favourite tbh, Considine and Freeman were pitiful, particularly the latter who was phoning in a Comic Strip Presents character.

deathrider · 20-07-2013 1:50pm

I got such a kick out of watching this video (the sounds is sh1te though)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8vmW8FMIxYo

CiDeRmAn · 20-07-2013 3:16pm

People will actually clap at anything at ComicCon it seems...
Sorry, I just don't like MK

deathrider · 20-07-2013 3:44pm

CiDeRmAn wrote: »

People will actually clap at anything at ComicCon it seems...
Sorry, I just don't like MK

I can see why it deserved a round of applause. The voice of Scorpion bellowing out his most famous line- seems pretty cool to me, but then again, I'm a big MK head. However, I've never actually seen Boon do the voice before, so I really enjoyed this.

Touch Fuzzy Get Dizzy · 20-07-2013 3:52pm

I'd have loved to play this! (;n; )
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ushiro

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vrpsg2KDGh4

CiDeRmAn · 20-07-2013 5:57pm

deathrider wrote: »

I can see why it deserved a round of applause. The voice of Scorpion bellowing out his most famous line- seems pretty cool to me, but then again, I'm a big MK head. However, I've never actually seen Boon do the voice before, so I really enjoyed this.

Fair enough, sorry, my dislike of that series is almost equal to that of Golden Axe and Streets of Rage.... and now I've said those names in my head I have to go and punish small animals....... Hello Kitty! Mwa hahaha!

Retr0gamer · 20-07-2013 6:27pm

The Mortal Kombat series has always been really bad. Let's not fool ourselves, the only reason we liked it was because we were young and impressionable and there was something naughty about the gore because it certainly wasn't for the gameplay and nuanced fighting game system.

Saying that MK9 is surprisingly great.

CiDeRmAn · 20-07-2013 6:43pm

My Glob, Retr0 and I agree.... the end of days approacheth!!

I did kinda enjoy MK3 on the PS, but mostly because the format was quiet at the time and it came in a neat box.

The same era was host to a lot of better games, but it was a time, on the PS, that an owner could say they had played everything on the console, not that the situation lasted that long on the PS as it's games library expanded exponentially over the following years.
Lets hope the same is true of the WiiU!

Dale Parish · 20-07-2013 7:11pm

Who wants an A&R BBS? :pac: :pac:

CiDeRmAn · 20-07-2013 7:28pm

Dale Parish wrote: »

Who wants an A&R BBS? :pac: :pac:

A what now?
Bulletin Board System?
Why?
We have a forum....

What next, entries submitted by fax?
Perhaps carrier pigeon borne replies to comments?
Maybe we could engage the Pony Express on our behalf?

I am only joking!

Honestly.....

But the last time I used such a thing was in a computer lab in DIT Kevin St back in '89, and most of it seemed to be about Star Trek.

There wasn't much call for a retrogaming forum on BBS back then.

No, we just called retrogaming "gaming" then,

Livin' the dream guys and gals, livin' the dream, with the 90's beckoning...

deathrider · 20-07-2013 7:46pm

I've got to disagree with pretty much everything that's been said about MK here. I've always had an absolute blast with the series. It's had it it's ups (MKII) and downs (MK4) to be sure, but for the most part I reckon they've been great craic. Having said that, I can see why they're held with the contempt that they are. It's not like they're the well balanced fighters that KoF or SF might be. But this never stopped me having tons of fun with them.

CiDeRmAn · 20-07-2013 8:00pm

To say I hold in contempt is to overstate how much I think the series matters.
Back in the day it was presented as an opposite pole to the SF series of games, particularly memorable back with the appearance of these titles on the home consoles, with pages and pages of comparisons between the arcade and all the various competing machines under the telly.
But it never really became that game, the true opposite pole to SF, and it's related titles, was always the SNK fighting games.
That 4 button system was the one that competed amongst those in the know with the Capcom 6 button system.
MK with it's preference for prelearned button press sequences and stick positions had none of the fluidity of either Capcom or SNK.
And that's probably why it never really made more of itself, outside of its own franchise, at least until now and the DC game.

And that's really why while I don't like and never really enjoyed Mortal Kombat it never really mattered enough to be hated, it was, for me at least, irrelevant.

But that was just me, there were plenty of others who really liked it, so different strokes and all that.

Retr0gamer · 20-07-2013 8:28pm

There was no real strategy to the MK games either. There's was no real wake up game or footsies meaning that the mind games of better fighting games were completely absent from the series. It was made by people that didn't realise what made fighting games as a genre so exciting and tried to replace it with flash and controversy.

Now that's not to say I was never young and foolish because anyone that knew me when I started on this forum can attest that I was one of the worst offenders in that regard

I loved MK2 on release, in fact I was obsessed with it, but then I also discovered Samurai Showdown 2 around that time and learned how to play street fighter properly and it was very obvious to me which were the better playing games after a while.

CiDeRmAn · 20-07-2013 8:35pm

Oh, I've never been terribly good at fighting games of any hue or, in the interests of accuracy, I've been pretty good at being terrible at fighting games.
And I have always, always come a cropper at the hands of fast, random button pressers, particularly on the likes of Mortal Kombat and Tekken franchises, those games love random button mashers, there you are, trying to keep your distance, when suddenly you get your arms ripped off or barely get time to hit back when a bloke in a big cat mask kicks the snot out of you.
Cheap feckers!

My favourite of the genre, Powerstone, not really, but kinda, ok mostly a fighting game and awesome.
I used to be not bad but time has eroded my limited skills and, as anyone at O1s1ns Beers will attest, I now firmly suck at that game

But that was the superb Powerstone, even if I'm not on form it's still a pleasure to play, unlike it's sequel.
And avoid the PSP version, they fecked with the screen ratio, DC all the way baby!

Nerdkiller1991 · 20-07-2013 8:42pm

CiDeRmAn wrote: »

And avoid the PSP version, they fecked with the screen ratio, DC all the way baby!

DON'T YOU INSULT MY GAME PURCHASES!

I wish that version had online play, though. I think it was only the Japanese release of Power Stone 2 on Dreamcast that had that.

Retr0gamer · 20-07-2013 9:06pm

Well it seems the word from RPG fans and Megatenists is that Shin Megami Tensei IV is incredible. Cannot wait for my copy.

Nerdkiller1991 · 20-07-2013 9:09pm

Retr0gamer · 20-07-2013 9:12pm

CiDeRmAn · 20-07-2013 10:22pm

Nerdkiller1991 wrote: »

DON'T YOU INSULT MY GAME PURCHASES!

Some people do get very touchy about their purchases, but I would direct their over-sensitive attention towards Retr0 from whom, once they stop crying, will appreciate this is the man who has suffered nothing but abuse over the purchase of a CDi and yet, against all odds, still keeps his head held high, still associates with other human beings and still maintains an account here.
If he can do it over near constant abuse over the CDi (admittedly mostly from me), and Zelda in particular, you can suffer a little over buying Powerstone for the PSP..... you poor poor b@stard!

Nerdkiller1991 · 20-07-2013 10:53pm

CiDeRmAn wrote: »

Some people do get very touchy about their purchases, but I would direct their over-sensitive attention towards Retr0 from whom, once they stop crying, will appreciate this is the man who has suffered nothing but abuse over the purchase of a CDi and yet, against all odds, still keeps his head held high, still associates with other human beings and still maintains an account here.
If he can do it over near constant abuse over the CDi (admittedly mostly from me), and Zelda in particular, you can suffer a little over buying Powerstone for the PSP..... you poor poor b@stard!

Well, I just sure as hell hope we get to see a HD collection sometime down the line. I WANT MY ONLINE POWER STONE, GODDAMMIT!

deathrider · 21-07-2013 12:53am

CiDeRmAn wrote: »

Oh, I've never been terribly good at fighting games of any hue or, in the interests of accuracy, I've been pretty good at being terrible at fighting games.
And I have always, always come a cropper at the hands of fast, random button pressers, particularly on the likes of Mortal Kombat and Tekken franchises, those games love random button mashers, there you are, trying to keep your distance, when suddenly you get your arms ripped off or barely get time to hit back when a bloke in a big cat mask kicks the snot out of you.
Cheap feckers!

My favourite of the genre, Powerstone, not really, but kinda, ok mostly a fighting game and awesome.
I used to be not bad but time has eroded my limited skills and, as anyone at O1s1ns Beers will attest, I now firmly suck at that game
But that was the superb Powerstone, even if I'm not on form it's still a pleasure to play, unlike it's sequel.
And avoid the PSP version, they fecked with the screen ratio, DC all the way baby!

Tekken loved a bit of good old fashioned button mashing. In fact, it almost seems like there were characters built for that very reason. Eddie Gordo in Tekken 3 is a fine example. Mash the kick buttons and secure the win while looking spectactular and not having a clue what you've done. Soul Calibur was even more so, in my oppinion.

CiDeRmAn · 21-07-2013 1:05am

Ah, Tekken 3, along with MGS one of the most pirated games back in the day, Sonys own damn fault for delaying the PAL releases.
The jump from Tekken to Tekken 3 is remarkable though, nice cinemas too.
The series lost some popularity on the PS2 it seems, the PS3 releases of the Tekken franchise similarly lost its "essential" label, too many alternatives perhaps?

deathrider · 21-07-2013 2:12am

CiDeRmAn wrote: »

Ah, Tekken 3, along with MGS one of the most pirated games back in the day, Sonys own damn fault for delaying the PAL releases.
The jump from Tekken to Tekken 3 is remarkable though, nice cinemas too.
The series lost some popularity on the PS2 it seems, the PS3 releases of the Tekken franchise similarly lost its "essential" label, too many alternatives perhaps?

I picked up the PS2 titles over the last year or so, and they're pretty solid. None of the newer characters really do it for me though. Tekken 5 is well worth picking up as it has arcade ports of the first 3 games on it.

Donatron · 21-07-2013 10:04am

Eddie Gordo...*shudder*

CiDeRmAn · 21-07-2013 11:47am

Donatron wrote: »

Eddie Gordo...*shudder*

While Street Fighter 2 and it's associated titles really had some badass fighters, and SNK games often just worked from that blueprint, Tekken fighters often just looked like muppets!

My favourite fighting series are The Last Blade series on MVS and Samurai Shodown 2, the version I played was on the 3DO, all kinds of awesome that.

Andrew76 · 21-07-2013 12:55pm

Retr0gamer wrote: »

There was no real strategy to the MK games either. There's was no real wake up game or footsies meaning that the mind games of better fighting games were completely absent from the series. It was made by people that didn't realise what made fighting games as a genre so exciting and tried to replace it with flash and controversy.

Now that's not to say I was never young and foolish because anyone that knew me when I started on this forum can attest that I was one of the worst offenders in that regard I loved MK2 on release, in fact I was obsessed with it, but then I also discovered Samurai Showdown 2 around that time and learned how to play street fighter properly and it was very obvious to me which were the better playing games after a while.

Just because you were ignorant of the depth of SFII at the time (or whichever version it was), I wouldn't say you or anyone was/is foolish to like playing MK games. They're good fun. SF games (I'm excluding the first one here) are the simulators of the fighting genre imo. Comparing SF and MK is like comparing Gran Turismo to Ridge Racer, both racing games but very different yet both good fun. I know GT isn't a 'proper' sim in some eyes but anyway.

Just regarding the various fighting games mentioned; for me, none of them were as much fun to play as IK+ on the Amiga. There was a game with great music, awesome sound effects, nice simple controls producing great gameplay. Much better bonus rounds too! Turbo mode was hilarious aswell.

For all the screen flashing finishing moves in SF or the spine ripping gore in MK, it was much more satisfying connecting a punch to the stomach or a head-butt in IK+.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=koneABI--rc

Retr0gamer · 21-07-2013 1:15pm

You know what, I wouldn't even say MK was fun at all. Mortal Kombat 2 was ok but MK 1 and 3 are really awful. I was literally only playing them for the blood.

CiDeRmAn · 21-07-2013 2:23pm

I used to love The Way of the Exploding Fist, and not the great one on the C64, I'm talking about the Spectrum version...
I'll get me coat

deathrider · 21-07-2013 4:18pm

Retr0gamer wrote: »

You know what, I wouldn't even say MK was fun at all. Mortal Kombat 2 was ok but MK 1 and 3 are really awful. I was literally only playing them for the blood.

MK3 was good fun. It was a letdown in comparison to II, but still good craic. Also, didn't UMK3 end up being a tournament game? (Noob Saibot excluded, of course)

In other news, why are all the DC heads giving out about this Superman/Batman situation? I'm genuinely asking as I'm not a DC fan at all, so I'd have no idea. Seems odd that nobody's impressed, while everyone was bouncing off the walls when Marvel characters started crossing over into each other's movies.

Retr0gamer · 21-07-2013 4:31pm

Well I didn't really find it fun at all. By then I had started to understand fighting games. The very limited basic combat of MK2 hadn't changed but they got rid of the fun juggle combo system for an awful dial a combo system straight out of tekken. It was a massive step back from MK2 which wasn't really that great. Sure I had a few fun multiplayer sessions with it but I'd rather have been playing something way better from Capcom or SNK.

Also just because it was a tournament game doesn't mean it was good, just popular. It's got probably the dullest get in and wake up games of any fighting games which is where all the important mind games in a fighting game happen that actually make it interesting. It's a joke compared to the options a simple fighter like SF2 present the player let alone compared to the likes of King of Fighters:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tinitviQ7iM

Sure it's ok for jumping around all over the place throwing out easy combos and moves but there's so little depth to it I ended up very bored very fast.

CiDeRmAn · 21-07-2013 4:58pm

I'm quite looking forward to this Batman/Superman cross over.
Can't see the harm in it at all.
It's only a film and, while Man of Steel had it's problems I still had a good time.
And the Batman trilogy was superb entertainment overall.
So, what's not to look forward to?
And all this as prelude to a Justice League movie too?
These types of films are always just entertainment, once they are competently made I'll find they're worth the price of admission.
Especially if no one pulls an Ironman 3 and tries to fake out the audience.

So roll on 2015!

Retr0gamer · 22-07-2013 2:34am

CiDeRmAn · 22-07-2013 7:45am

Retr0gamer wrote: »

Why?
Is that something you're likely to say?
Are we fibbing now?
The 3DO was relatively poorly supported, but it was a blessed bounty of gaming goodness compared to the seventh later of gaming hell represented by the CDi.

So, no more of this madness, OK?

Myrddin · 22-07-2013 9:10am

Retr0gamer wrote: »

Touch Fuzzy Get Dizzy · 22-07-2013 9:18am

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dK1QjIVNmFY

CiDeRmAn · 22-07-2013 10:19am

Doesn't he have very expressive hands?
Plus, dancing Turbo Express!!! double plus good!!!

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