Should children be banned from pubs?

Karlitto · 13-06-2013 04:50PM

frank reynolds wrote: »

hypocrite.

so you're saying it's ok to bring in a scruffy hairy messy dribbling dog into a pub and not a child?

what if your dog goes berserk and attacks someone? what if someone has a phobia of dogs?

Please tell me how I am being a hypocrite?

This just shows how pig ignorant you are.

My dog is clean, well behaved and doesn't dribble, oh and he is on a lead, which is more than I can say for some of the bastard kids I see in pubs.

As I said, he mostly just sits under the table until someone comes over to pet him.

Why would my dog go berserk and attack someone? Clearly you do not understand dogs if you think they are wild animals who spontaneously attach people for fun. But in either case, my dog is on a lead.

Furthermore, if someone has a fobia of dogs, then don't come to my table, problem?

Oh, and by the way, there is no law saying you cannot bring your dog into the likes of a pub (except for the "restricted breeds". It is up to the management to say "no dogs" etc.

Cienciano · 13-06-2013 04:53PM

OP, 3 or 4 times you said you don't have a problem with kids in the pub if they're quiet, it's just the ones running around and knocking stuff over. I agree. But why ban all kids from pubs? There's already rules in place for this. A publican can just warn the parents if they're not controlling their kids, then ask them to leave if they won't comply. Simple.

Karlitto wrote: »

I disagree,

Maybe allow kids between 1 and 3 for lunch/dinner, then they go bye bye.

However, 1 thing I do have to say is, bringing a kid to a pub to watch a match is incredibly irresponsible... you have 2 teams, so therefore 2 sides of support, alcohol, tension is quite likely, and so is a fight, doesn't seem like a good idea to bring a kid to that environment.

A fight is likely?? LOL, I've saw a lot of matches in pubs and never seen a fight. A pub is perfectly safe, I'd say your child has a much higher chance of getting injured in a playground than at a pub during the day

OldNotWIse · 13-06-2013 04:54PM

Karlitto wrote: »

Please tell me how I am being a hypocrite?

This just shows how pig ignorant you are.

My dog is clean, well behaved and doesn't dribble, oh and he is on a lead, which is more than I can say for some of the bastard kids I see in pubs.

As I said, he mostly just sits under the table until someone comes over to pet him.

Why would my dog go berserk and attack someone? Clearly you do not understand dogs if you think they are wild animals who spontaneously attach people for fun. But in either case, my dog is on a lead.

Furthermore, if someone has a fobia of dogs, then don't come to my table, problem?

Oh, and by the way, there is no law saying you cannot bring your dog into the likes of a pub (except for the "restricted breeds". It is up to the management to say "no dogs" etc.

I find a problem with bringing the dog is the amount of kids it actually attracts. Drives me mad. I'm like, "she's a fuucking dog, not a toy". Just because she is small. I find a lot of parents however are responsible and will say, "do you mind/is it ok if he/she pets your dog" and we can do the intoduction etc. But the knobs who shout, "ah look at the bow-wow (yes bow-wow) Johnny, look at 'im!!" while waving hysterically in front of the poor animal. Now that is what should be on a lead lol

Karlitto · 13-06-2013 04:57PM

Cienciano wrote: »

OP, 3 or 4 times you said you don't have a problem with kids in the pub if they're quiet, it's just the ones running around and knocking stuff over. I agree. But why ban all kids from pubs? There's already rules in place for this. A publican can just warn the parents if they're not controlling their kids, then ask them to leave if they won't comply. Simple.

A fight is likely?? LOL, I've saw a lot of matches in pubs and never seen a fight. A pub is perfectly safe, I'd say your child has a much higher chance of getting injured in a playground than at a pub during the day

Do publicans warn parents? Unlikley, lets say there is a normal family of 5, do you really think the manager will tell the parents to control their kids at the risk of 5 people leaving the pub? We need a higher level of control, i.e. law, which is not at the publicans leisure, it is the same as "by law" the publican should not serve someone if they are drunk, well, 99% of the time, nothing is said.

old hippy · 13-06-2013 05:00PM

Ah, this old chestnut. Same as before, kids shouldn't be in pubs. Or, if they are, they should be heavily supervised/sedated. The last thing you want, when relaxing, is some shrieking 5 year old running around and inevitably colliding with a table/staff member/Joe Punter. Followed by extended bawling and suchlike.

Karlitto · 13-06-2013 05:01PM

OldNotWIse wrote: »

I find a problem with bringing the dog is the amount of kids it actually attracts. Drives me mad. I'm like, "she's a fuucking dog, not a toy". Just because she is small. I find a lot of parents however are responsible and will say, "do you mind/is it ok if he/she pets your dog" and we can do the intoduction etc. But the knobs who shout, "ah look at the bow-wow (yes bow-wow) Johnny, look at 'im!!" while waving hysterically in front of the poor animal. Now that is what should be on a lead lol

Yep! I agree, yet another reason to ban the kids.

But you are right, dogs are not toys. And no, I don't mind a responsible parent (I say responsible here because any parent who lets their kid freely wander over to a stranger's dog who they don't know, should not be a parent) asking if it is ok for the kid to say hi.

Kids should NEVER be let anywhere near an unknown dog without RESPONSIBLE adult supervision. Whilst they are domesticated animals, they are still animals, and of course pulling out of its ears or smacking it on the head (as a lot of kids do thinking it is "rubbing" the dog) will piss it off.

the_syco · 13-06-2013 05:06PM

Karlitto wrote: »

Lift the smoking ban, ban the kids, financial problem sorted.

Not really. There should be more dog friendly pubs that ban kids, though.

OldNotWIse · 13-06-2013 05:08PM

Karlitto wrote: »

Yep! I agree, yet another reason to ban the kids.

But you are right, dogs are not toys. And no, I don't mind a responsible parent (I say responsible here because any parent who lets their kid freely wander over to a stranger's dog who they don't know, should not be a parent) asking if it is ok for the kid to say hi.

Kids should NEVER be let anywhere near an unknown dog without RESPONSIBLE adult supervision. Whilst they are domesticated animals, they are still animals, and of course pulling out of its ears or smacking it on the head (as a lot of kids do thinking it is "rubbing" the dog) will piss it off.

Agree. I had my dog at the beach last weekend and a little toddler (he was very sweet actually) came running up to my dog all fists and shrieks and stuff, and the animal was terrified. The mother said, "Is your dog ok with kids?" and I said, "well she's safe but she doesnt really like them" and she was cool about it and said to her kid "some dogs like kids and some dogs dont,but thats ok, its important to check". Super parenting?! I am always super sonic when it comes to controlling her around kids....though its more that I worry what would happen to her if she attacked hahahaaaaa

Karlitto · 13-06-2013 05:08PM

the_syco wrote: »

Not really. There should be more dog friendly pubs that ban kids, though.

That's it, I have a new life goal, I will own a pub which doesn't allow kids, but does dogs that are well behaved! Woop!

OldNotWIse · 13-06-2013 05:09PM

the_syco wrote: »

Not really. There should be more dog friendly pubs that ban kids, though.

Dog friendly, wheelchair friendly, kid friendly, gay friendly. Bizzare terminology

Ush1 · 13-06-2013 05:11PM

Karlitto wrote: »

That's it, I have a new life goal, I will own a pub which doesn't allow kids, but does dogs that are well behaved! Woop!

Roaring success with all the soft drinks and crisps that dogs eat.

Dr_Brian_Cocks · 13-06-2013 05:13PM

In Ireland, probably.

I think in France under 18's are allowed a glass of wine with their dinner if they're with their parents.

OldNotWIse · 13-06-2013 05:16PM

Ush1 wrote: »

Roaring success with all the soft drinks and crisps that dogs eat.

Dont be silly, they could sell chilled water and have rawhide/kibble vending machines

Instead of those fem packs with travel toothbrush/comb/s.towel etc you could buy a pack with poop bag, baby wipe, dentastix and a squeaky toy ahahaa

Instead of pizza and beer promos, you could have pizza, beer and pedigree promos

ScumLord · 13-06-2013 05:17PM

Karlitto wrote: »

First thing, see my previous post about a pub and being a "public" house. You are wrong.

It is a house open to the public, it is a public house, that's what the intention of them is. Just like a cinema is a place where people go to watch films a public house is a place where the general public go to meet. But like you say it is still a business under private ownership and like we've already pointed out the children are worth more to the business than the guy sipping on a pint of guinness.

Secondly, a kid running around screaming and shouting in a pub IS out of control, and it is the parents fault admittedly, not the child's. Would you be saying the same for some adult doing the same? I think not.

Of course not, because they're adults, they've done all there running around and learning how to socialise. Kids run around and shout wherever they go. It's normal behaviour for them.

During the day I have no problem with pubs being family friendly places. A drinking pub isn't going to be a family friendly place but if the pub accommodates children and many do then there's no point in complaining about it. That's the business model of the pub. There are plenty of other pubs that don't accommodate children and are just old man drinking holes. find one of them.

old hippy · 13-06-2013 05:19PM

ScumLord wrote: »

It is a house open to the public, it is a public house, that's what the intention of them is. Just like a cinema is a place where people go to watch films a public house is a place where the general public go to meet. But like you say it is still a business under private ownership and like we've already pointed out the children are worth more to the business than the guy sipping on a pint of guinness.

Of course not, because they're adults, they've done all there running around and learning how to socialise. Kids run around and shout wherever they go. It's normal behaviour for them.

During the day I have no problem with pubs being family friendly places. A drinking pub isn't going to be a family friendly place but if the pub accommodates children and many do then there's no point in complaining about it. That's the business model of the pub. There are plenty of other pubs that don't accommodate children and are just old man drinking holes. find one of them.

And there's plenty of pubs that aren't kid friendly and still manage to be vibrant, fun and good to mingle without being stereotypical old man drinking holes

Dr_Brian_Cocks · 13-06-2013 05:20PM

ScumLord wrote: »

It is a house open to the public, it is a public house, that's what the intention of them is. Just like a cinema is a place where people go to watch films a public house is a place where the general public go to meet.

People don't go to a pub to meet. It's where people go to drink.

OldNotWIse · 13-06-2013 05:22PM

ScumLord wrote: »

It is a house open to the public, it is a public house, that's what the intention of them is. Just like a cinema is a place where people go to watch films a public house is a place where the general public go to meet. But like you say it is still a business under private ownership and like we've already pointed out the children are worth more to the business than the guy sipping on a pint of guinness.

Of course not, because they're adults, they've done all there running around and learning how to socialise. Kids run around and shout wherever they go. It's normal behaviour for them.

During the day I have no problem with pubs being family friendly places. A drinking pub isn't going to be a family friendly place but if the pub accommodates children and many do then there's no point in complaining about it. That's the business model of the pub. There are plenty of other pubs that don't accommodate children and are just old man drinking holes. find one of them.

what happens if (like me being a twenty something y/o female) you dont like old man drinking holes?

Also, you're forgetting about the people who dont go because there are kids there. Is a lilt and bag of taytos worth more than an evenings custom?

old hippy · 13-06-2013 05:24PM

Dr_Brian_Cocks wrote: »

People don't go to a pub to meet. It's where people go to drink.

Or both?

ScumLord · 13-06-2013 05:26PM

old hippy wrote: »

And there's plenty of pubs that aren't kid friendly and still manage to be vibrant, fun and good to mingle without being stereotypical old man drinking holes

Plenty of options so, there's no need to sit in a family friendly pub feeling miserable if you can go to one that suits your needs better.

It's usually fairly obvious which ones are going for the family trade and which ones aren't.

Dr_Brian_Cocks wrote: »

People don't go to a pub to meet. It's where people go to drink.

Not everyone goes to drink anymore, especially during the day.

OldNotWIse wrote: »

what happens if (like me being a twenty something y/o female) you dont like old man drinking holes?

Also, you're forgetting about the people who dont go because there are kids there. Is a lilt and bag of taytos worth more than an evenings custom?

Multiply the drink and bag of taytos by 3 for each child and you're getting closer to what each child brings. The publican can probably get that stuff for next to nothing too, so much more profit.

Sam Kade · 13-06-2013 05:26PM

Back in the 60's early 70's children were not allowed in pubs anytime of day. At one stage women weren't allowed in pubs, proper order

**Vai** · 13-06-2013 05:27PM

Children should be banned. I dont care about pubs, just in general. Alright humanity, you have proven your point, top of the food chain, killing 100s of species each day, blah blah.
Now quit the unprotected roidin' for 15/20 years, give the place a chance to recover.

Karlitto · 13-06-2013 05:30PM

ScumLord wrote: »

It is a house open to the public, it is a public house, that's what the intention of them is. Just like a cinema is a place where people go to watch films a public house is a place where the general public go to meet. But like you say it is still a business under private ownership and like we've already pointed out the children are worth more to the business than the guy sipping on a pint of guinness.

Of course not, because they're adults, they've done all there running around and learning how to socialise. Kids run around and shout wherever they go. It's normal behaviour for them.

During the day I have no problem with pubs being family friendly places. A drinking pub isn't going to be a family friendly place but if the pub accommodates children and many do then there's no point in complaining about it. That's the business model of the pub. There are plenty of other pubs that don't accommodate children and are just old man drinking holes. find one of them.

That's actually a very narrow minded post, that "guy sipping on a pint of guiness" is most likely a local/regular who over the years is going to pour far more money into the pub than a family who go for a "sunday dinner" once in a blue moon.

That's the thing, a pub won't refuse a child entry before 9, at least I have never found one. Adults can't get away from children, a pub should be one of the places they can, after all, what has a pub got to offer a child?

Why should I sit there and have my day ruined by some spoiled kid?

Karlitto · 13-06-2013 05:33PM

Right folks,

I am off for the day, catch you tomorrow.

old hippy · 13-06-2013 05:37PM

Karlitto wrote: »

Right folks,

I am off for the day, catch you tomorrow.

Enjoy that pint

ScumLord · 13-06-2013 05:44PM

Karlitto wrote: »

That's actually a very narrow minded post, that "guy sipping on a pint of guiness" is most likely a local/regular who over the years is going to pour far more money into the pub than a family who go for a "sunday dinner" once in a blue moon.

The family, or more than likely families are going to spend more in that day out than your man will in the entire week. I'm not saying anything about the Guinness sipping man, I'm just pointing out he's not going to keep the pub trading.

That's the thing, a pub won't refuse a child entry before 9, at least I have never found one. Adults can't get away from children, a pub should be one of the places they can, after all, what has a pub got to offer a child?

No, children are everywhere, it's as pointless complaining about their presence as it is complaining about the birds singing in the trees. You have the benefit of just waiting until nine for a quiet pint. Although, once the adults get going you won't think the children are noisy.

Why should I sit there and have my day ruined by some spoiled kid?

Your day isn't ruined your just being a humourless sour puss. :pac: The rest of us can enjoy our day without taking offense at children having fun.

ceadaoin. · 13-06-2013 07:30PM

I bring my child to the park , playground, zoo, swimming etc because yes those are activities that are suitable for children. I also bring my child to restaurants and pubs for meals (during the day, not evenings) on occasion because going to those places to eat and socialise is what people do and she is a person.

Reading these threads you would swear that every pub and restaurant is overrun by screaming kids. Maybe I've been lucky but I've never experienced this.

A0 · 13-06-2013 08:13PM

Anyone wrote: »

Without alcohol there would be no kids.

Haha! well people are not that shy, I'm sure they can get hard / wet without alcohol

SeaDaily · 13-06-2013 09:39PM

Karlitto wrote: »

In pubs, you have people who drink, smoke (both cigarettes and other things) and quite often during lets say, a christening, communion, well, any of the big events where you would expect to find kids, you are most likely going to have at least one scumbag who is part of the group who will go into the jax and snort a line.

bringing a kid to a pub to watch a match is incredibly irresponsible... you have 2 teams, so therefore 2 sides of support, alcohol, tension is quite likely, and so is a fight, doesn't seem like a good idea to bring a kid to that environment.

Are you really "most likely" going to have someone going to do a line in the toilets? Now that's just being seriously melodramatic.

If it is dangerous to have children anywhere where there is two sides of support should children be banned from ever attending a match of any kind? Do you suggest that kids are no longer allowed to go and watch Ireland in the Aviva or go to a match in Croke Park? It seems to me that you are just overly intolerant and bitter. Maybe you need to lighten up a little, we can't just have kids on leads and confine them to specific places where you think they won't be annoying anyone. Also you referring to children as "bastard kids" suggests you may be going a little over the top here.

AudreyHepburn · 13-06-2013 09:48PM

During the day I'd have no problem with children being in a pub, particularly those that sell food.

However they should not be in any sort of drinking establishment at night.

Why anyone would even want to bring their children to the pub at night, just so they can have a few pints is beyond me.

Get a babysitter.

WoollyRedHat · 13-06-2013 10:09PM

When I was a kid I used to make a fortune out of the coins peopled dropped down the sides at the bar.. so speaking for 10 year old me, no.

Should children be banned from pubs?

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