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Should children be banned from pubs?

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  • #62
    Killer Wench
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,386 ✭✭✭Killer Wench


    Karlitto wrote: »
    As I said earlier, I don't mean nightclub, I mean Gaa, footy, rugby, golf clubs etc.

    Sorry, missed that. And a club would be like a country club? I see those more like social venues and I would expect that children would have limited access but would be permitted to enter.


  • #63
    ScumLord
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    cfc.forever wrote: »
    Yes I think children 10 and under should be allowed in the pub, because they bring in a lot of income.

    Children buy crisps/bars/drinks etc.. and they might also like to play pool. Why wouldn't they be allowed? If they're not allowed, it will cost the pubs thousands annually + pubs can be good for events such as christenings/weddings etc.. and imagine the fact you can't bring your kids, so yes I think they should be allowed, but not after nine o clock.
    I'd agree with that, if parents can't go to a pub for dinner during the day without organising babysitters it would mean they lose a big chunk of their customer base.
    Karlitto wrote: »
    I wouldn't have a problem if parents could keep their children under control, but the majority cannot, they load their kids up with sweets, crisps, fizzy drinks and let them run wild.

    I was in a pub on Saturday I believe it was, we were in the courtyard of the pub, kids running around chasing each other, screaming, splashing water from the pond/waterfall, do you think the parents were telling them to sit down at the table? No...

    And eventually one of the little bastards is running by our table and one of his friends pushes him into our table, smacking his head off the corner (serves him right) thus spilling 3 of our drinks. Do you think the mother offered to replace them? Hell no, she just said sorry and went back to her table.
    For gods sake, the injustice of it all. Kids run around and play, it's a fact of life. I can't believe you'd get so upset about it, I'm not surprised the parents aren't telling their children to sit in the corner and keep quiet. This isn't the 1950s where children are to be seen and not heard.


  • #64
    Ush1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,484 ✭✭✭✭Ush1


    Karlitto wrote: »
    The risk of your child being in close proximity to a fight.

    And yes, there is a very big difference, people don't go to a restaurant to watch a match, or drink all day, which they do in pubs. But the same can be said (granted, a lot less children do it in restaurants than pubs) for restaurants, they can still have kids running around ruining other peoples meals.

    I wouldn't take my kids to a pub I didn't know. I know plenty of pubs that people would not go to to drink all day, these would be "family friendly" pubs that would serve food and still show matches.

    So you want to ban kids from restaurants also?


  • #65
    Karlitto
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 456 ✭✭Karlitto


    Killer Wench wrote: »
    Sorry, missed that. And a club would be like a country club? I see those more like social venues and I would expect that children would have limited access but would be permitted to enter.

    The clubs can be softer as generally there is a members bar which kids aren't allowed in anyway.

    But lets focus on pubs :) Seems to be the main topic,.


  • #66
    frank reynolds
    Closed Accounts Posts: 404 ✭✭frank reynolds


    Karlitto wrote: »
    Pub = Place for adults
    Playground, beach, parks, lesuire centers = place for kids

    If you seriously think a pub is a "safe haven" for kids, you need to have your head checked bud.

    Anyway, what about the pubs that don't serve food? Why are there just as many kids there as one that does?

    i'm not saying it's a place they SHOULD be, but it happens, and that's a fact. what is sad about it all is attitudes like yours where you think you have the right to say where kids are allowed and not allowed.

    the rule is, they ARE allowed, so tough luck BUD, you'll just have to hold onto your pint a little bit harder in future.

    so, if last week, you were to follow your rules about where kids should be, you would have ended up bringing your child to a place with a riot of teenagers bashing each other and taking drugs, and drinking and smoking etc ...

    why is the pub only for adults? that's not true at all... the very name is PUBLIC HOUSE - children are members of the public just as much as adults.

    what i am trying to say to you is, if it annoys you so much, then you know when to avoid the pub - saturday and sunday afternoons. it's really that simple.


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  • #67
    OldNotWIse
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    Karlitto wrote: »
    Actually, some pubs will allow it :)

    I have 2 pubs that I go to, 1 near my house, 1 near my folks that allow me to bring my dog :D It is awesome and he loves the attention.

    really? how cool :) I have a few spots where we can sit outside alright which is grand in the summer. Bring along her blankies and water bowl and she's sorted - spends the night on my lap :)


  • #68
    Karlitto
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    ScumLord wrote: »
    For gods sake, the injustice of it all. Kids run around and play, it's a fact of life. I can't believe you'd get so upset about it, I'm not surprised the parents aren't telling their children to sit in the corner and keep quiet. This isn't the 1950s where children are to be seen and not heard.

    Pubs are not playgrounds, they are a place for adults. If the kids can BEHAVE themselves, that's fine, but for the most part, they don't. Having said that, I do not think it is an appropriate place at all for a child, be them well behaved or otherwise.

    Whilst it is not the 1950's, the parents SHOULD be controlling their children.

    And I would have expected more than a sarcy reply from a moderator...


  • #69
    OldNotWIse
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    ScumLord wrote: »
    I'd agree with that, if parents can't go to a pub for dinner during the day without organising babysitters it would mean they lose a big chunk of their customer base.

    For gods sake, the injustice of it all. Kids run around and play, it's a fact of life. I can't believe you'd get so upset about it, I'm not surprised the parents aren't telling their children to sit in the corner and keep quiet. This isn't the 1950s where children are to be seen and not heard.


    I think children were less of an assault on the senses then :rolleyes:


  • #70
    anncoates
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    Don't see the point of kids being in aul fella pubs at all.

    If it's a normal pub - as in one that sells food and so on - no problem with them being there but they should be off the premises by 6PM.


  • #71
    OldNotWIse
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    frank reynolds wrote: »
    i'm not saying it's a place they SHOULD be, but it happens, and that's a fact. what is sad about it all is attitudes like yours where you think you have the right to say where kids are allowed and not allowed.

    the rule is, they ARE allowed, so tough luck BUD, you'll just have to hold onto your pint a little bit harder in future.

    so, if last week, you were to follow your rules about where kids should be, you would have ended up bringing your child to a place with a riot of teenagers bashing each other and taking drugs, and drinking and smoking etc ...

    why is the pub only for adults? that's not true at all... the very name is PUBLIC HOUSE - children are members of the public just as much as adults.

    what i am trying to say to you is, if it annoys you so much, then you know when to avoid the pub - saturday and sunday afternoons. it's really that simple.

    Why should anyone have to? A pub's substantive activity is the sale of alcoholic beverages - you have to be over 18 to purchase and consume this on the premises. Not to mention the fact that over consumption will render you incapable of the level of responsibility required to supervise and protect children in your care.


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  • #72
    CathalByrne
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4 ✭CathalByrne


    I Heart Internet wrote: »
    What about a pub that serves pizza in a seaside town at like 7pm?

    You don't think someone can get drunk there too? - Naive person


  • #73
    ScumLord
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    Karlitto wrote: »
    Pubs are not playgrounds, they are a place for adults. If the kids can BEHAVE themselves, that's fine, but for the most part, they don't. Having said that, I do not think it is an appropriate place at all for a child, be them well behaved or otherwise.

    Whilst it is not the 1950's, the parents SHOULD be controlling their children.

    And I would have expected more than a sarcy reply from a moderator...
    Pub stands for public house, it can be whatever it wants to be. Many pubs around now are set up as restaurants with a bar. The food trade is worth just as much to them as the drink trade and children are in a sense the big spenders. They buy a 7up, leave the 7up down somewhere and go back looking for another one, the publicains probably love them. Then there's icecream, taytos. They're spending machines and probably worth more to the pub than the average adults 3 or 4 pints.

    A kid running around shouting isn't out of control. As long as they're not being purposely destructive or fighting then I have no problem with them making some noise. It's better than oppressing them into silence.


  • #74
    frank reynolds
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    Karlitto wrote: »
    Pubs are not playgrounds, they are a place for adults. If the kids can BEHAVE themselves, that's fine, but for the most part, they don't. Having said that, I do not think it is an appropriate place at all for a child, be them well behaved or otherwise.

    Whilst it is not the 1950's, the parents SHOULD be controlling their children.

    And I would have expected more than a sarcy reply from a moderator...

    they are not adults only venues. it's just tough, to you and your attitude, but there you go. they allow children in, and it suits WAY more people than it annoys. it suits the pub because they rake it in off crisps and soft drinks, and the parents get to take a breather, knowing that their kids are there beside them and they still get to have their pint. the kids love it because it's a novelty and the only ones complaining are the ones sitting in the corner glaring out at everyone else trying to enjoy themselves.

    what exactly constitutes bad behaviour to you?


  • #75
    Karlitto
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 456 ✭✭Karlitto


    frank reynolds wrote: »
    i'm not saying it's a place they SHOULD be, but it happens, and that's a fact. what is sad about it all is attitudes like yours where you think you have the right to say where kids are allowed and not allowed.

    the rule is, they ARE allowed, so tough luck BUD, you'll just have to hold onto your pint a little bit harder in future.

    so, if last week, you were to follow your rules about where kids should be, you would have ended up bringing your child to a place with a riot of teenagers bashing each other and taking drugs, and drinking and smoking etc ...

    why is the pub only for adults? that's not true at all... the very name is PUBLIC HOUSE - children are members of the public just as much as adults.

    what i am trying to say to you is, if it annoys you so much, then you know when to avoid the pub - saturday and sunday afternoons. it's really that simple.

    Firstly, paragraph 3, what the hell are you talking about? I am not saying kids should be in a playground, I am saying they should not be in a pub. I listed some examples of where you could bring kids as a responsible parent. Are you suggesting that playgrounds are full of "teenagers" who beat each other up whilst taking drugs, smoking and drinking? Lets bring this back a bit towards reality. In pubs, you have people who drink, smoke (both cigarettes and other things) and quite often during lets say, a christening, communion, well, any of the big events where you would expect to find kids, you are most likely going to have at least one scumbag who is part of the group who will go into the jax and snort a line.

    And sorry to shoot you down, a pub does mean PUBLIC house, but it is not a PUBLIC place, Public house is the name given to these establishments. But it is a private premises, it is simple as that.

    Furthermore, if it was an openly public place where someone could not refuse entry, as per the intoxicating liquor act, you would not be able to consume alcohol since it is illegal to be drunk in public.


  • #76
    the_syco
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    Karlitto wrote: »
    It is not a "safe" environment for children to be, at the end of the day, yes, it is not up to people to parent other peoples children, but the parents should be responsible enough to keep their children well behaved if brought into a pub, or even, not bring their children there at all.
    Having worked in a pub, I can say that if they were banned, the pubs would have lost a lot of trade, and this was during the "boom" years. Aside from the regular drunks, most of the day trade bring their kids. Before the 9 o'clock curfew came in, some of the scummbaggery parents would drink in the pub, with their kids asleep around them until the pub closed for the night.

    And now, most pubs would be hesitant to bring in a rule to ban kids, as to do so would be business suicide.


  • #77
    Karlitto
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 456 ✭✭Karlitto


    OldNotWIse wrote: »
    really? how cool :) I have a few spots where we can sit outside alright which is grand in the summer. Bring along her blankies and water bowl and she's sorted - spends the night on my lap :)

    No no! I mean inside :D he usually just sits under the table.


  • #78
    frank reynolds
    Closed Accounts Posts: 404 ✭✭frank reynolds


    OldNotWIse wrote: »
    Why should anyone have to? A pub's substantive activity is the sale of alcoholic beverages - you have to be over 18 to purchase and consume this on the premises. Not to mention the fact that over consumption will render you incapable of the level of responsibility required to supervise and protect children in your care.
    ]

    nanny state nonsense.

    this country is ridiculous. times have changed pal, and in THIS decade we allow children into pubs. Pubs are no longer just focused on serving booze alone. the recession has forced a lot/most pubs into serving food and other activities (pool tables/kids playgrounds outdoors etc).

    you can't be serious? how old are you ? 97?


  • #79
    frank reynolds
    Closed Accounts Posts: 404 ✭✭frank reynolds


    Karlitto wrote: »
    No no! I mean inside :D he usually just sits under the table.

    hypocrite.

    so you're saying it's ok to bring in a scruffy hairy messy dribbling dog into a pub and not a child?

    what if your dog goes berserk and attacks someone? what if someone has a phobia of dogs?


  • #80
    anncoates
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    OldNotWIse wrote: »
    Why should anyone have to? A pub's substantive activity is the sale of alcoholic beverages - you have to be over 18 to purchase and consume this on the premises. Not to mention the fact that over consumption will render you incapable of the level of responsibility required to supervise and protect children in your care.

    Fact of the matter is that most owners of suburban type pubs that serve food on a Sunday probably want families in far more than a couple of blokes boozing by themselves.

    As long as they're off the premises by the evening time, I don't see the harm at all.

    Not everyone that has the kids in the pub is a booze hound.

    Personally speaking (I have kids), it wouldn't really be my thing all to bring kids to the pub but I find all the hand-wringing a bit hilarious. I remember having great fun as a kid with my cousins.and extended family at Sunday pub lunches/family celebrations and the like.

    People with no kids have plenty of choice where they can go whereas people with kids are usually more limited to a specific locale and type of pub.


  • #81
    CathalByrne
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    Kids should be quarantined like any other deadly virus in Centres for Disease Control and Prevention until a suitable vaccine emerges


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  • #82
    Karlitto
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    ScumLord wrote: »
    Pub stands for public house, it can be whatever it wants to be. Many pubs around now are set up as restaurants with a bar. The food trade is worth just as much to them as the drink trade and children are in a sense the big spenders. They buy a 7up, leave the 7up down somewhere and go back looking for another one, the publicains probably love them. Then there's icecream, taytos. They're spending machines and probably worth more to the pub than the average adults 3 or 4 pints.

    A kid running around shouting isn't out of control. As long as they're not being purposely destructive or fighting then I have no problem with them making some noise. It's better than oppressing them into silence.

    First thing, see my previous post about a pub and being a "public" house. You are wrong.

    Secondly, a kid running around screaming and shouting in a pub IS out of control, and it is the parents fault admittedly, not the child's. Would you be saying the same for some adult doing the same? I think not.

    There is no need to suppress them into silence if they were in a playground, park, beach getting some exercise and fresh air.


  • #83
    anncoates
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    Karlitto wrote: »
    First thing, see my previous post about a pub and being a "public" house. You are wrong.

    Secondly, a kid running around screaming and shouting in a pub IS out of control, and it is the parents fault admittedly, not the child's. Would you be saying the same for some adult doing the same? I think not.

    There is no need to suppress them into silence if they were in a playground, park, beach getting some exercise and fresh air.

    Kinda ironic you moaning about kids being out of control.

    Every one of your posts in the thread sounds like the ranting of a mad person.


  • #84
    CathalByrne
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4 ✭CathalByrne


    Kids...

    http://www.popsci.com/files/imagecache/article_image_large/articles/ebola-micrograph.jpg


  • #85
    Karlitto
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 456 ✭✭Karlitto


    frank reynolds wrote: »
    they are not adults only venues. it's just tough, to you and your attitude, but there you go. they allow children in, and it suits WAY more people than it annoys. it suits the pub because they rake it in off crisps and soft drinks, and the parents get to take a breather, knowing that their kids are there beside them and they still get to have their pint. the kids love it because it's a novelty and the only ones complaining are the ones sitting in the corner glaring out at everyone else trying to enjoy themselves.

    what exactly constitutes bad behaviour to you?

    Legally speaking they are not adult only venues until 9 PM, correct. Realistically they are.

    And no, it does not suite "way" more people than not.

    Of course it suites the pub, they make money. And if you were actually reading what I was writing you would see that I am saying that bad behavior is a sugar loaded kid treating the pub as a playground, furthermore, if the kid was beside them while the parent was relaxing that's fine, but for the most part, they are not, they are chasing eachother around the pub, in between people, chairs and tables or pretending they are killing eachother with imaginary guns, thus running away from each other and hiding behind tables and so on.


  • #86
    crockholm
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    I remember having some pints in one of west wicklows finest establishments,and a crowd of well dressed people came in with their kids,it was communion or confirmation or some such,thinking it would be an hour tops,before they finished the dinner and would be on their merry ways,I stayed.

    Alas,no such joy,as the dinner finished,the drinking began and the parental supervision ceased. I couldn't believe that the parents would be so selfish to take the kids special day and use it as a glug-fest,and boy were those kids bored after 2 hours.It was an inconvenience to the pub staff and patrons alike,but as they were also regulars,it was tolerated.

    As a parent,we have gone to pubs with the intention of eating and getting out straight away afterwards,kids have no interest in these places now as all the video games like pac-man,wonderboy,space-invaders are all gone now,it's not fair for the lads who go out for a bit of peace and quiet to have their sanctuary turned into a creche.


  • #87
    Karlitto
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 456 ✭✭Karlitto


    the_syco wrote: »
    Having worked in a pub, I can say that if they were banned, the pubs would have lost a lot of trade, and this was during the "boom" years. Aside from the regular drunks, most of the day trade bring their kids. Before the 9 o'clock curfew came in, some of the scummbaggery parents would drink in the pub, with their kids asleep around them until the pub closed for the night.

    And now, most pubs would be hesitant to bring in a rule to ban kids, as to do so would be business suicide.

    Lift the smoking ban, ban the kids, financial problem sorted.


  • #88
    OldNotWIse
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,468 ✭✭✭✭OldNotWIse


    Karlitto wrote: »
    No no! I mean inside :D he usually just sits under the table.
    better again :)

    Someone told me once of a country pub where they did carvery on sundays and the dogs were allowed in to sit in front of the fire and got scraps of beef etc :D

    oh and there was a little laneway at the side where they could throw the ball...maybe I was dreaming lol

    is the pub in dublin? can you pm me the name?


  • #89
    December2012
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,695 ✭✭✭December2012


    Karlitto wrote: »
    Hey folks,

    I just want to see what the general opinion is, my question is, should children be banned from any place selling alcohol, I mean pubs, clubs etc. with the exception of private functions of course. And obviously I don't mean shops, supermarkets or off licenses.

    And by children I mean <10

    No. But dumbass "parents" who ignore their kids and are inconsiderate assholes should be.


  • #90
    pistolero
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    Yep-ban them from everywhere:D


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  • #91
    OldNotWIse
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    frank reynolds wrote: »
    hypocrite.

    so you're saying it's ok to bring in a scruffy hairy messy dribbling dog into a pub and not a child?

    what if your dog goes berserk and attacks someone? what if someone has a phobia of dogs?


    My dog is quieter, cleaner and better behaved than most children (I think I have been through this) - plus I've caught more colds and flu from snotty nosed kids than dogs lol :D As for dribbling...dont even get me started on the teething folk :p

    What if your child goes berserk and attacks someone? what if someone has a phobia of children?


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