Should children be banned from pubs?

frank reynolds · 13-06-2013 03:20PM

Karlitto wrote: »

I wouldn't have a problem if parents could keep their children under control, but the majority cannot, they load their kids up with sweets, crisps, fizzy drinks and let them run wild.

I was in a pub on Saturday I believe it was, we were in the courtyard of the pub, kids running around chasing each other, screaming, splashing water from the pond/waterfall, do you think the parents were telling them to sit down at the table? No...

And eventually one of the little bastards is running by our table and one of his friends pushes him into our table, smacking his head off the corner (serves him right) thus spilling 3 of our drinks. Do you think the mother offered to replace them? Hell no, she just said sorry and went back to her table.

but, some adults are as bad or worse than a few small children running around the place. as you said, fights, aggression etc.

i wonder are you seeing more aggression in the pub because of the attitude you seem to take to people who are just out trying to enjoy themselves the same as you are...?

they have rules in place so that they can allow children into the pub before 8 or 9, so why dont you just go to the pub after that?

you seem to dislike children in general, relishing in the fact that a child had bashed his head off the table and as you said "deserved it".

well, i think you deserved to have your drinks spilled.

seamus · 13-06-2013 03:21PM

AngeGal wrote: »

Every bar is legally required to have no under 18s past 9pm.

It was a great idea in theory, but in reality what's happened is the kids who would have been in the pub at 9pm are now standing outside the pub at 9pm while their parents talk to them through the window.

Karlitto · 13-06-2013 03:24PM

Why exactly whilst sitting there with some friends, minding my own business do you think I deserved to have my drink spilled? Don't be so daft.

And if you would have cared to actually read my posts, behaved children, I have no problem with, I love kids, however, if a parent is unable to control their child, they should not be in a pub, simple.

And yes, the adult behavior is worse, but after all, a pub is for adults (in my and many many others opinion)

Do you think a place where people are drinking, being drunk, smoking and foul mouthed is an appropriate place for a child?

Karlitto · 13-06-2013 03:25PM

Originally Posted by AngeGal View Post

Every bar is legally required to have no under 18s past 9pm.

Unless it is a private function.

Sleepy · 13-06-2013 03:25PM

I'd ban parents that bring their kids to the pub while they drink tbh.

Ush1 · 13-06-2013 03:29PM

Karlitto wrote: »

Of course,

But I am more so referring to Saturday and Sunday afternoons.

Not all kids, but quite a lot of them act as if the pub is a playground.

I think it's fair enough.

Families can have a dinner and watch football or whatever. Anywhere public that has children can be annoying but it's just kids being kids.

frank reynolds · 13-06-2013 03:34PM

Karlitto wrote: »

Why exactly whilst sitting there with some friends, minding my own business do you think I deserved to have my drink spilled? Don't be so daft.

And if you would have cared to actually read my posts, behaved children, I have no problem with, I love kids, however, if a parent is unable to control their child, they should not be in a pub, simple.

And yes, the adult behavior is worse, but after all, a pub is for adults (in my and many many others opinion)

Do you think a place where people are drinking, being drunk, smoking and foul mouthed is an appropriate place for a child?

i think that a lot of the parents and children that people are talking about being in the pub in the first place and acting the maggot, are generally going to be coming from somewhere that drinking, being drunk, smoking and foul mouthed along with god knows what-else are the norm.

the pub is probably a bit of a safe haven for a lot of the kids mentioned. compared to them trapped in some tiny flat with (by the sounds of some of this alco parents getting up to all sorts in front of them).

as you said, you are more so referring to sat/sun afternoons - FAMILY TIME really... if you are going to the pub in the daytime, you may expect to run into a few kids/families - same with ANYWHERE on a sat/sun afternoon.

Boombastic · 13-06-2013 03:36PM

I parents bring their children to the a pub for entertainment. If you can't think of a more appropiapte and entertaining place to bring the children on a sunday afternoon parenting classes are needed. A meal is fine but selfish parents having a few need some cop on

Karlitto · 13-06-2013 03:40PM

frank reynolds wrote: »

i think that a lot of the parents and children that people are talking about being in the pub in the first place and acting the maggot, are generally going to be coming from somewhere that drinking, being drunk, smoking and foul mouthed along with god knows what-else are the norm.

the pub is probably a bit of a safe haven for a lot of the kids mentioned. compared to them trapped in some tiny flat with (by the sounds of some of this alco parents getting up to all sorts in front of them).

as you said, you are more so referring to sat/sun afternoons - FAMILY TIME really... if you are going to the pub in the daytime, you may expect to run into a few kids/families - same with ANYWHERE on a sat/sun afternoon.

Pub = Place for adults
Playground, beach, parks, lesuire centers = place for kids

If you seriously think a pub is a "safe haven" for kids, you need to have your head checked bud.

Anyway, what about the pubs that don't serve food? Why are there just as many kids there as one that does?

R.D. aka MR.D · 13-06-2013 03:41PM

As the child of an alcoholic, i can definitely say that pubs are not a place for children.

I spent way too much of my childhood in pubs. It's not all bad. A group of old men once taught me how to play dominoes but then again there were times when a creepy old drunk would be rubbing my leg and telling me how pretty i am. (My father stopped drinking when i was 10 so i was younger than that when all that was happening.)

Nowadays, when i see children in pubs, it makes me feel sad because they should be somewhere else that is a more appropriate environment.

Pubs can be very scary places even if it seems like the kids are turning it into a playground. At least they are making the best of a bad situation. I doubt many children's first choice to spend a Sunday is in the pub.

OldNotWIse · 13-06-2013 03:42PM

Yes.

Not because I give a toss about their safety but its like the one place us adults have left to get away from them...

...and also because I'm p1ssed that my dog (who is cleaner, quieter and better behaved than most kids) can't come in.

RayM · 13-06-2013 03:44PM

There are a lot of lazy, selfish parents out there, whose idea of a "nice family day out" involves sitting in the pub all day, oblivious to whether their kids are enjoying themselves or not. And regardless of whether they're behaving or being a nuisance, there's something very depressing about seeing bored kids sitting in a pub for hours on end.

They shouldn't be banned from pubs, but there should be some sort of limit on how long they can spend there.

OldNotWIse · 13-06-2013 03:48PM

cfc.forever wrote: »

Yes I think children 10 and under should be allowed in the pub, because they bring in a lot of income.

Children buy crisps/bars/drinks etc.. and they might also like to play pool. Why wouldn't they be allowed? If they're not allowed, it will cost the pubs thousands annually + pubs can be good for events such as christenings/weddings etc.. and imagine the fact you can't bring your kids, so yes I think they should be allowed, but not after nine o clock.

Pah. When I was a kid all I got was 20p for a pint of raspberry :P

Or I could save all my child labour money for those little hot nuts with the tasty coating if I wanted... Crisps my ar*e

SEPT 23 1989 · 13-06-2013 03:50PM

How can you relax having pints if your kids are running around the place?

earlytobed · 13-06-2013 03:52PM

If you are a responsible parent, there's no harm having kids in pubs for limited time/ lunch etc

Staff Infection · 13-06-2013 03:54PM

Well there are some parents who go for a bite to eat of a Sunday in the pub with their kids. Eating a carvery meal while watching a game of football with my sister and parents was how I spent many of my Sundays as a child. However, we left once said match ended (5 or 6ish at the latest) and then rented a video or something.

What I'm trying to say is I have many happy memories of being in a pub as a young fella but the reason for that is we left it early enough and then had a supplementary activity (walk in park etc.). I think some parents bring their kid to the pub and only leave when they have to or are told to, it is their only destination for the day. Whereas we merely stopped off in a pub for a while and left again.

So OP I would say no, but I do think parents should take the responsibility to ensure they don't spend the whole day there with their kids either.

OldNotWIse · 13-06-2013 03:54PM

RayM wrote: »

There are a lot of lazy, selfish parents out there, whose idea of a "nice family day out" involves sitting in the pub all day, oblivious to whether their kids are enjoying themselves or not. And regardless of whether they're behaving or being a nuisance, there's something very depressing about seeing bored kids sitting in a pub for hours on end.

They shouldn't be banned from pubs, but there should be some sort of limit on how long they can spend there.

yeah...they cant even put in cimbing frames or swings for them because they'll fall and break their necks and mammy and daddy will sue.

Real Life · 13-06-2013 04:01PM

The law as it currently is is fine imo. If someone wants to bring a child in to get food or look at a match its not so bad, but come night time when people start getting drunker its no place for a child.

Karlitto · 13-06-2013 04:02PM

OldNotWIse wrote: »

Yes.

Not because I give a toss about their safety but its like the one place us adults have left to get away from them...

...and also because I'm p1ssed that my dog (who is cleaner, quieter and better behaved than most kids) can't come in.

Actually, some pubs will allow it

I have 2 pubs that I go to, 1 near my house, 1 near my folks that allow me to bring my dog

It is awesome and he loves the attention.

suicide_circus · 13-06-2013 04:05PM

the parents who bring their unfortunate kids to the pub and then sit there getting locked completely ignoring the kids are probably the same kind of inbred me and the misses saw in Lidl the other day; obese cretinous non worker with his little daughter, what were they buying? x10 flagons (2 litre bottles) of cheap cider. This poor child is already exposed to such scaldy iniquity, banning her from a pub wont save her. at least in the pub, these sorry excuse for parents cant beat their kids.

StinkyMunkey · 13-06-2013 04:06PM

Parents should be bringing thier kids to a playground/cinema/swimming/park, not spending all sunday afternoon in a pub getting tanked.

That said if parents just wanna come out for a meal and a couple of pints, i dont seen the harm. Ive worked in bars for over 20 years, and the last place i wanna be with the kids is in a bar.

If either me or the wife wanna go for a few beers, we take it in turns to look after the kids while the other one goes out with friends. I think the current laws in place work just fine tbh.

The only time im in a pub with the kids, if is it is for a party/function and even then it wrecks my head. I cant just sit back and relax while my kids run riot. I was at a family wedding last year, the first in a long time - i left sober and exhausted, so did the wife.

Karlitto · 13-06-2013 04:06PM

Real Life wrote: »

The law as it currently is is fine imo. If someone wants to bring a child in to get food or look at a match its not so bad, but come night time when people start getting drunker its no place for a child.

I disagree,

Maybe allow kids between 1 and 3 for lunch/dinner, then they go bye bye.

However, 1 thing I do have to say is, bringing a kid to a pub to watch a match is incredibly irresponsible... you have 2 teams, so therefore 2 sides of support, alcohol, tension is quite likely, and so is a fight, doesn't seem like a good idea to bring a kid to that environment.

Ush1 · 13-06-2013 04:08PM

Karlitto wrote: »

I disagree,

Maybe allow kids between 1 and 3 for lunch/dinner, then they go bye bye.

However, 1 thing I do have to say is, bringing a kid to a pub to watch a match is incredibly irresponsible... you have 2 teams, so therefore 2 sides of support, alcohol, tension is quite likely, and so is a fight, doesn't seem like a good idea to bring a kid to that environment.

Not every pub in the country is the bleedin' Slaughtered Lamb.

Plenty of nice pubs that show matches without a fight breaking out every single time.

Karlitto · 13-06-2013 04:10PM

Oh and one more point, if a couple want to go out and have a few drinks on a Sunday afternoon, get a baby sitter.

Whats it going to cost? Lets say you go from 2 - 6, that's 4 hours, whats that going to cost? 30 quid? You are surley going to spend close to that on sweets, drinks and food for the kids right?

No one has the excuse that they cannot afford a baby sitter while they go to the pub, if things are that desperate, should said parents really be going to the pub drinking?

And by the way, I completely resent the whole argument of kids being safer in pubs than at home, in pubs the kids can't be beaten. That implies that every parent who goes to the pub with their kids is a child abuser.....get real.

Del2005 · 13-06-2013 04:10PM

Karlitto wrote: »

Hey folks,

I just want to see what the general opinion is, my question is, should children be banned from any place selling alcohol, I mean pubs, clubs etc. with the exception of private functions of course. And obviously I don't mean shops, supermarkets or off licenses.

And by children I mean <10

I've no problem with children being in pubs, or any place for that matter.

What I do have issues with are parents who think that ignoring children for several hours while they enjoy themselves is acceptable. Ban irresponsible parents from pubs places where people socialise not children

Karlitto · 13-06-2013 04:12PM

Ush1 wrote: »

Not every pub in the country is the bleedin' Slaughtered Lamb.

Plenty of nice pubs that show matches without a fight breaking out every single time.

I agree,

However, is that something you are willing to risk? If so, you should question your ability to be a parent.

Ush1 · 13-06-2013 04:13PM

Karlitto wrote: »

I agree,

However, is that something you are willing to risk? If so, you should question your ability to be a parent.

Risk what? A lot of modern pubs during the day are not much different to a restaurant with tellys and there would be people drinking in both.

Killer Wench · 13-06-2013 04:15PM

I can see the pluses and minuses to allowing children in a pub. But do parents really bring their kids out to a club?

Karlitto · 13-06-2013 04:17PM

Ush1 wrote: »

Risk what? A lot of modern pubs during the day are not much different to a restaurant with tellys and there would be people drinking in both.

The risk of your child being in close proximity to a fight.

And yes, there is a very big difference, people don't go to a restaurant to watch a match, or drink all day, which they do in pubs. But the same can be said (granted, a lot less children do it in restaurants than pubs) for restaurants, they can still have kids running around ruining other peoples meals.

Karlitto · 13-06-2013 04:17PM

Killer Wench wrote: »

I can see the pluses and minuses to allowing children in a pub. But do parents really bring their kids out to a club?

As I said earlier, I don't mean nightclub, I mean Gaa, footy, rugby, golf clubs etc.

Should children be banned from pubs?

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