Should children be banned from pubs?

Karlitto

Hey folks,

I just want to see what the general opinion is, my question is, should children be banned from any place selling alcohol, I mean pubs, clubs etc. with the exception of private functions of course. And obviously I don't mean shops, supermarkets or off licenses.

And by children I mean <10

8k2q1gfcz9s5d4

no

Xavi6

Because I don't have any and everyone else's annoy the sh*te out of me, 100% yes.

The Backwards Man

Should only be allowed in pubs serving food. And they should be tied to the table too.

af_thefragile

I don't see why any children should be in a club, unless its some sorta private party for kids.

AngeGal

Basically your question is if children shouldn't be allowed in bars as they are now until 8pm.

Of course not, what a crazy notion.

ETA - This would of course mean kids would require ID to prove they are over 10.

minidazzler

Any place where people congregate to specifically get drunk is unsuitable for children. They really really shouldn't be there. And I'll include parents bringing their squalls for a meal in that.

SEPT 23 1989

No

maybe before the smoking ban but certainly not now

krudler

A lot of places have kids allowed until certain times, best of both worlds.

I Heart Internet

minidazzler wrote: »

Any place where people congregate to specifically get drunk is unsuitable for children. They really really shouldn't be there. And I'll include parents bringing their squalls for a meal in that.

What about a pub that serves pizza in a seaside town at like 7pm?

AngeGal

krudler wrote: »

A lot of places have kids allowed until certain times, best of both worlds.

Every bar is legally required to have no under 18s past 9pm.

SeaDaily

minidazzler wrote: »

Any place where people congregate to specifically get drunk is unsuitable for children. They really really shouldn't be there. And I'll include parents bringing their squalls for a meal in that.

Not everyone goes to the pub specifically to get drunk...

Ilyana 2.0

I see nothing wrong with children being in pubs during the day, providing they're well supervised and not causing a nuisance.

IM0

they dont even pay road tax so yes :mad:

frank reynolds

what about restaurants and cafes that serve booze?
of course they should be welcomed, and i think the current legislation of allowing them in until a certain time covers exactly this.

LizT

minidazzler wrote: »

Any place where people congregate to specifically get drunk is unsuitable for children. They really really shouldn't be there. And I'll include parents bringing their squalls for a meal in that.

Depends on the pub to be honest. It's not up to us to parent other people's children, they will know if somewhere is suitable. I see no problem with it as long as they're out of the pub at nine like they're supposed to be.

cfc.forever

Yes I think children 10 and under should be allowed in the pub, because they bring in a lot of income.

Children buy crisps/bars/drinks etc.. and they might also like to play pool. Why wouldn't they be allowed? If they're not allowed, it will cost the pubs thousands annually + pubs can be good for events such as christenings/weddings etc.. and imagine the fact you can't bring your kids, so yes I think they should be allowed, but not after nine o clock.

Karlitto

af_thefragile wrote: »

I don't see why any children should be in a club, unless its some sorta private party for kids.

Sorry I should have clarified, club, i.e. rugby, football, golf clubs.

J Bourke

Well behaved kids should most definitely be welcome in pubs etc.

Noisy brats who run riot with no supervision from parents should be shown the door. Let the bar manager use their discretion... kinda like the way it already is

Karlitto

In my opinion, pubs are no places for kids, perhaps restaurants, but not pubs.

It is not a "safe" environment for children to be, at the end of the day, yes, it is not up to people to parent other peoples children, but the parents should be responsible enough to keep their children well behaved if brought into a pub, or even, not bring their children there at all.

And just to clarify, the age is irrelevant, but I am talking about the little kicking screaming bastards that are running around thinking the pub is a playground whilst the irresponsible parents get pissed and don't care.

SeaDaily

Karlitto wrote: »

It is not a "safe" environment for children to be, at the end of the day, yes, it is not up to people to parent other peoples children, but the parents should be responsible enough to keep their children well behaved if brought into a pub, or even, not bring their children there at all.

What pubs are you going to that aren't safe for children? What do you think is going to happen to them?

Davidth88

It really depends.

I used to go to a pub that was great for watching footie , but Sunday afternoons were a nightmare .... basically the parents came in at 12:30 and by 3pm were hammered and their bored kids were tearing around making a real pain of themselves

However , bringing kids in to have a meal and then leaving..... acceptable

frank reynolds

Karlitto wrote: »

In my opinion, pubs are no places for kids, perhaps restaurants, but not pubs.

It is not a "safe" environment for children to be, at the end of the day, yes, it is not up to people to parent other peoples children, but the parents should be responsible enough to keep their children well behaved if brought into a pub, or even, not bring their children there at all.

And just to clarify, the age is irrelevant, but I am talking about the little kicking screaming bastards that are running around thinking the pub is a playground whilst the irresponsible parents get pissed and don't care.

But you couldnt have one rule for restaurants and one for pubs. it wouldnt work out.

i agree it's a total nightmare if you are just trying to have a quiet pint and a family of 8 arrive in and start kicking and screaming around you etc...

i think the way they have it at the moment is fine.

if people want to get p!ssed, then they should, at this stage, know to leave it until after 8pm or 9pm when they know there wont be any children in the pub. simples

A0

No, alcohol should be banned.

AngeGal

Karlitto wrote: »

In my opinion, pubs are no places for kids, perhaps restaurants, but not pubs.

It is not a "safe" environment for children to be, at the end of the day, yes, it is not up to people to parent other peoples children, but the parents should be responsible enough to keep their children well behaved if brought into a pub, or even, not bring their children there at all.

And just to clarify, the age is irrelevant, but I am talking about the little kicking screaming bastards that are running around thinking the pub is a playground whilst the irresponsible parents get pissed and don't care.

I sympathise with this, the publican/barman should have a word if that is the case. Although that isn't always easy if the parents have a 'few' in them. But you can always go someplace else.

I disagree that it's unsafe, how? Children will always fall, etc so there is no perfectly safe environment.

The age isn't irrelevant however. Leaving aside all else, it's a stumbling block than I cannot think of a way to overcome. How is the pub supposed to enforce it? Require proof of age? Meaning kids would require passports at all times?

"You've never been abroad have ya not little mikey? Well then you and Mikey Sr. can f off!"

Agricola

A few years back Id have said yes. But people with kids deserve to be able to go out on a sunday afternoon and have a meal and a pint. Id keep to not after 7pm and maybe not were food isnt served. Never liked the idea of heading for a big booze up with lots of kids in tow. Gives them the wrong idea about drink and probably has something to do with the attitude we have to the stuff as a nation.

Karlitto

SeaDaily wrote: »

What pubs are you going to that aren't safe for children? What do you think is going to happen to them?

Do you really want me to explain that pubs sell alcohol? Which can make people aggressive, thus causing fights, do you really think that is an appropriate place for a child?

Karlitto

I wouldn't have a problem if parents could keep their children under control, but the majority cannot, they load their kids up with sweets, crisps, fizzy drinks and let them run wild.

I was in a pub on Saturday I believe it was, we were in the courtyard of the pub, kids running around chasing each other, screaming, splashing water from the pond/waterfall, do you think the parents were telling them to sit down at the table? No...

And eventually one of the little bastards is running by our table and one of his friends pushes him into our table, smacking his head off the corner (serves him right) thus spilling 3 of our drinks. Do you think the mother offered to replace them? Hell no, she just said sorry and went back to her table.

Ush1

It's okay during the day but pubs in the evening aren't the place for children realistically.

Karlitto

Ush1 wrote: »

It's okay during the day but pubs in the evening aren't the place for children realistically.

Of course,

But I am more so referring to Saturday and Sunday afternoons.

Not all kids, but quite a lot of them act as if the pub is a playground.

Anyone

A0 wrote: »

No, alcohol should be banned.

Without alcohol there would be no kids.

frank reynolds

Karlitto wrote: »

I wouldn't have a problem if parents could keep their children under control, but the majority cannot, they load their kids up with sweets, crisps, fizzy drinks and let them run wild.

I was in a pub on Saturday I believe it was, we were in the courtyard of the pub, kids running around chasing each other, screaming, splashing water from the pond/waterfall, do you think the parents were telling them to sit down at the table? No...

And eventually one of the little bastards is running by our table and one of his friends pushes him into our table, smacking his head off the corner (serves him right) thus spilling 3 of our drinks. Do you think the mother offered to replace them? Hell no, she just said sorry and went back to her table.

but, some adults are as bad or worse than a few small children running around the place. as you said, fights, aggression etc.

i wonder are you seeing more aggression in the pub because of the attitude you seem to take to people who are just out trying to enjoy themselves the same as you are...?

they have rules in place so that they can allow children into the pub before 8 or 9, so why dont you just go to the pub after that?

you seem to dislike children in general, relishing in the fact that a child had bashed his head off the table and as you said "deserved it".

well, i think you deserved to have your drinks spilled.

seamus

AngeGal wrote: »

Every bar is legally required to have no under 18s past 9pm.

It was a great idea in theory, but in reality what's happened is the kids who would have been in the pub at 9pm are now standing outside the pub at 9pm while their parents talk to them through the window.

Karlitto

Why exactly whilst sitting there with some friends, minding my own business do you think I deserved to have my drink spilled? Don't be so daft.

And if you would have cared to actually read my posts, behaved children, I have no problem with, I love kids, however, if a parent is unable to control their child, they should not be in a pub, simple.

And yes, the adult behavior is worse, but after all, a pub is for adults (in my and many many others opinion)

Do you think a place where people are drinking, being drunk, smoking and foul mouthed is an appropriate place for a child?

Karlitto

Originally Posted by AngeGal View Post

Every bar is legally required to have no under 18s past 9pm.

Unless it is a private function.

Sleepy

I'd ban parents that bring their kids to the pub while they drink tbh.

Ush1

Karlitto wrote: »

Of course,

But I am more so referring to Saturday and Sunday afternoons.

Not all kids, but quite a lot of them act as if the pub is a playground.

I think it's fair enough.

Families can have a dinner and watch football or whatever. Anywhere public that has children can be annoying but it's just kids being kids.

frank reynolds

Karlitto wrote: »

Why exactly whilst sitting there with some friends, minding my own business do you think I deserved to have my drink spilled? Don't be so daft.

And if you would have cared to actually read my posts, behaved children, I have no problem with, I love kids, however, if a parent is unable to control their child, they should not be in a pub, simple.

And yes, the adult behavior is worse, but after all, a pub is for adults (in my and many many others opinion)

Do you think a place where people are drinking, being drunk, smoking and foul mouthed is an appropriate place for a child?

i think that a lot of the parents and children that people are talking about being in the pub in the first place and acting the maggot, are generally going to be coming from somewhere that drinking, being drunk, smoking and foul mouthed along with god knows what-else are the norm.

the pub is probably a bit of a safe haven for a lot of the kids mentioned. compared to them trapped in some tiny flat with (by the sounds of some of this alco parents getting up to all sorts in front of them).

as you said, you are more so referring to sat/sun afternoons - FAMILY TIME really... if you are going to the pub in the daytime, you may expect to run into a few kids/families - same with ANYWHERE on a sat/sun afternoon.

Boombastic

I parents bring their children to the a pub for entertainment. If you can't think of a more appropiapte and entertaining place to bring the children on a sunday afternoon parenting classes are needed. A meal is fine but selfish parents having a few need some cop on

Karlitto

frank reynolds wrote: »

i think that a lot of the parents and children that people are talking about being in the pub in the first place and acting the maggot, are generally going to be coming from somewhere that drinking, being drunk, smoking and foul mouthed along with god knows what-else are the norm.

the pub is probably a bit of a safe haven for a lot of the kids mentioned. compared to them trapped in some tiny flat with (by the sounds of some of this alco parents getting up to all sorts in front of them).

as you said, you are more so referring to sat/sun afternoons - FAMILY TIME really... if you are going to the pub in the daytime, you may expect to run into a few kids/families - same with ANYWHERE on a sat/sun afternoon.

Pub = Place for adults
Playground, beach, parks, lesuire centers = place for kids

If you seriously think a pub is a "safe haven" for kids, you need to have your head checked bud.

Anyway, what about the pubs that don't serve food? Why are there just as many kids there as one that does?

R.D. aka MR.D

As the child of an alcoholic, i can definitely say that pubs are not a place for children.

I spent way too much of my childhood in pubs. It's not all bad. A group of old men once taught me how to play dominoes but then again there were times when a creepy old drunk would be rubbing my leg and telling me how pretty i am. (My father stopped drinking when i was 10 so i was younger than that when all that was happening.)

Nowadays, when i see children in pubs, it makes me feel sad because they should be somewhere else that is a more appropriate environment.

Pubs can be very scary places even if it seems like the kids are turning it into a playground. At least they are making the best of a bad situation. I doubt many children's first choice to spend a Sunday is in the pub.

OldNotWIse

Yes.

Not because I give a toss about their safety but its like the one place us adults have left to get away from them...

...and also because I'm p1ssed that my dog (who is cleaner, quieter and better behaved than most kids) can't come in.

RayM

There are a lot of lazy, selfish parents out there, whose idea of a "nice family day out" involves sitting in the pub all day, oblivious to whether their kids are enjoying themselves or not. And regardless of whether they're behaving or being a nuisance, there's something very depressing about seeing bored kids sitting in a pub for hours on end.

They shouldn't be banned from pubs, but there should be some sort of limit on how long they can spend there.

OldNotWIse

cfc.forever wrote: »

Yes I think children 10 and under should be allowed in the pub, because they bring in a lot of income.

Children buy crisps/bars/drinks etc.. and they might also like to play pool. Why wouldn't they be allowed? If they're not allowed, it will cost the pubs thousands annually + pubs can be good for events such as christenings/weddings etc.. and imagine the fact you can't bring your kids, so yes I think they should be allowed, but not after nine o clock.

Pah. When I was a kid all I got was 20p for a pint of raspberry :P

Or I could save all my child labour money for those little hot nuts with the tasty coating if I wanted... Crisps my ar*e

SEPT 23 1989

How can you relax having pints if your kids are running around the place?

earlytobed

If you are a responsible parent, there's no harm having kids in pubs for limited time/ lunch etc

Staff Infection

Well there are some parents who go for a bite to eat of a Sunday in the pub with their kids. Eating a carvery meal while watching a game of football with my sister and parents was how I spent many of my Sundays as a child. However, we left once said match ended (5 or 6ish at the latest) and then rented a video or something.

What I'm trying to say is I have many happy memories of being in a pub as a young fella but the reason for that is we left it early enough and then had a supplementary activity (walk in park etc.). I think some parents bring their kid to the pub and only leave when they have to or are told to, it is their only destination for the day. Whereas we merely stopped off in a pub for a while and left again.

So OP I would say no, but I do think parents should take the responsibility to ensure they don't spend the whole day there with their kids either.

OldNotWIse

RayM wrote: »

There are a lot of lazy, selfish parents out there, whose idea of a "nice family day out" involves sitting in the pub all day, oblivious to whether their kids are enjoying themselves or not. And regardless of whether they're behaving or being a nuisance, there's something very depressing about seeing bored kids sitting in a pub for hours on end.

They shouldn't be banned from pubs, but there should be some sort of limit on how long they can spend there.

yeah...they cant even put in cimbing frames or swings for them because they'll fall and break their necks and mammy and daddy will sue.

Real Life

The law as it currently is is fine imo. If someone wants to bring a child in to get food or look at a match its not so bad, but come night time when people start getting drunker its no place for a child.

Karlitto

OldNotWIse wrote: »

Yes.

Not because I give a toss about their safety but its like the one place us adults have left to get away from them...

...and also because I'm p1ssed that my dog (who is cleaner, quieter and better behaved than most kids) can't come in.

Actually, some pubs will allow it

I have 2 pubs that I go to, 1 near my house, 1 near my folks that allow me to bring my dog It is awesome and he loves the attention.

suicide_circus

the parents who bring their unfortunate kids to the pub and then sit there getting locked completely ignoring the kids are probably the same kind of inbred me and the misses saw in Lidl the other day; obese cretinous non worker with his little daughter, what were they buying? x10 flagons (2 litre bottles) of cheap cider. This poor child is already exposed to such scaldy iniquity, banning her from a pub wont save her. at least in the pub, these sorry excuse for parents cant beat their kids.