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Tblisi Cup. June 2013. "Emerging Ireland"

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    #362
    molloyjh
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    Ah here now come on. Ireland with a massively dominant scrum on the line, SA lose their TH to the bin and the stream has gone to pot. Thankfully we saw the try. Well done Allen. Great work from the pack for it.


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    #363
    Buer
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    Not watching. Does this mean Bent and McGrath are showing up well in the scrum throughout?


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    #364
    Cormic
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    Well worked try there but Keatly missed conversion.


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    #365
    .ak
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    A'boy Allen!


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    #366
    Piliger
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    Did Keatley miss that kick ????????? FFS how did he manage that ?


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    #367
    NU8
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    Buer wrote: »
    Not watching. Does this mean Bent and McGrath are showing up well in the scrum throughout?

    McGrath in particular has been very solid in the scrums. Keatley has missed a few in this game and against Georgia.


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    #368
    Fireball07
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    Strange from Keatley, try was good though.


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    #369
    .ak
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    Buer wrote: »
    Not watching. Does this mean Bent and McGrath are showing up well in the scrum throughout?

    Yeah we've been dominant in the scrum all game.


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    #370
    armchaircoach
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    He's not having a good day from the tee. But that set of scrums was very encouraging


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    #371
    accidentprone1
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    Keatley misses a sitter.


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    #372
    Grimebox
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    One of the commentators laughed and he sounded just like Jabba the Hutt. I can't hear anything else now :p


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    #373
    Piliger
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    Keatley playing himself out of any chance of caps next season. Nothing he does matters if he can't deliver with the boot.


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    #374
    Alena Massive Sociopath
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    Piliger wrote: »
    Keatley playing himself out of any chance of caps next season. Nothing he does matters if he can't deliver with the boot.

    sigh. When will people realise just how flawed this rationale is.

    Especially considering he's a great kicker.

    http://www.rabodirectpro12.com/statzone/rhino_golden_boot.php

    78% in Rabo


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    #375
    .ak
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    Piliger wrote: »
    Keatley playing himself out of any chance of caps next season. Nothing he does matters if he can't deliver with the boot.

    Why?

    Sorry but I really hate this way of thinking. The 10 doesn't have to be the goal kicker.


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    #376
    Losty Dublin
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    ConFurioso wrote: »
    That was surely a penalty try if he deemed it worth a yellow? A yard more and we were over the try line....

    Why would it be?

    Yellow cards are issued for foul play or repeated infringements. A penalty try is awarded if a probable try was thwarted by a deliberate infringement/s. There was 2 penalty calls from the scrum; that's hardly repeated :)

    Sure we got the try off a back row move in the end.


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    #377
    ConFurioso
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    Feck! Great passage of play there.


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    #378
    Piliger
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    .ak wrote: »
    Why?

    Sorry but I really hate this way of thinking. The 10 doesn't have to be the goal kicker.
    So if he is 10, who will kick ? and what would he offer that would be SO much better than his competition ? It's not about the 10 being a kicker at all.


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    #379
    .ak
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    Agh, bad timing...


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    #380
    Alena Massive Sociopath
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    Piliger wrote: »
    So if he is 10, who will kick ? and what would he offer that would be SO much better than his competition ? It's not about the 10 being a kicker at all.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_Larkham


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    #381
    Piliger
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    Some terrific line breaks but again a butchered chance at an almost certain try.


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    #382
    NU8
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    That clock isn't being stopped right? Pretty sure against Georgia it went to the 89th minute or something.


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    #383
    Buer
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    The rationale should be, if he's the designated and only kicker and fails to deliver with the boot, he is majorly flawed. Unfortunately for him, he plays in Ireland where we're obsessed with the 10 kicking.

    IK is a decent kicker. He's not great. He can have really good days but has some off ones too and they're not too rare, either. 78% in the Pro12 isn't anything to shout about. It's low pressure, lower profile rugby. He was 8/16 in the HEC this season, for example, which suggests there's more than meets the eye with his kicking.


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    #384
    Hagz
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    He's not good enough for international rugby anyway, regardless of his kicking. Not even a talking point imo.


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    #385
    Buer
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    Losty Dublin wrote: »
    Why would it be?

    Yellow cards are issued for foul play or repeated infringements. A penalty try is awarded if a probable try was thwarted by a deliberate infringement/s. There was 2 penalty calls from the scrum; that's hardly repeated :)

    They're at the discretion of the referee and foul play covers pretty much everything in the game that is against the laws. Deliberately dropping a scrum to prevent a try, is foul play, for example.


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    #386
    JustinDee
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    NU8 wrote: »
    That clock isn't being stopped right? Pretty sure against Georgia it went to the 89th minute or something.

    Correct.


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    #387
    Piliger
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_Larkham
    He doesn't quality for Ireland.


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    #388
    Buer
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    Score? Doing a bit of nosing about and not too impressed by the opposition on paper. Made up of division 1 players from the Currie Cup. Not a bad standard but our pack and the likes of Keatley and DK should be a cut above.


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    #389
    Fireball07
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    Buer wrote: »
    Score? Doing a bit of nosing about and not too impressed by the opposition on paper. Made up of division 1 players from the Currie Cup. Not a bad standard but our pack and the likes of Keatley and DK should be a cut above.

    16-8 SA.


    We've been okay, but the execution of the final pass has been poor...not being clinical enough, making mistakes inside their 22.


    SA 9 looked very lively imo.


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    #390
    Cormic
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    Buer wrote: »
    Score? Doing a bit of nosing about and not too impressed by the opposition on paper. Made up of division 1 players from the Currie Cup. Not a bad standard but our pack and the likes of Keatley and DK should be a cut above.

    Ire 8 - 16 RSA.

    We are being let down by handling errors.


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    #391
    Alena Massive Sociopath
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    Piliger wrote: »
    He doesn't quality for Ireland.

    showed that an out half that can't kick can be a pretty useful member of a team.

    A fairly complete one man dismissal of the statement
    Piliger wrote:
    Nothing he does matters if he can't deliver with the boot.


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