Extermination through sterilisation - the solution to "skangerism"

Ohh dear eugenics ..... not a great idea.

Tried in Sweden until the 70's I believe

Cart that pretty 10 YO girl off and chop her tubes , she is too pretty and will breed too much ..... the Germans in the 30's were big into this too , indeed the Swedes had the same advisors I believe.


Not the ( final ) solution I am afraid

Did someone hack Mike65s account?

Miss Lockhart wrote: »

The thread is about skangers. Not scumbags.

Are they not synonymous?

I am also a cossetted middle-class fool who lives in one if the safest countries in the world in the most peaceful period in the history of humanity but am very, very scared of what Joe Duffy and the evening herald tell me to drive up revenue so I think this is a great idea.

Obviously we cannot get away with sterilisation but a real movement is needed to destroy skangerism.

I personally think the media needs to play a role in highlighting what skangerism is. 99% of skangers do not realise that they are skangers, nor realise what skanger behaviour is. I also think the government needs to recognize that skangerism is a real thing. I would personally support an awareness campaign.

Seachmall wrote: »

Seriously? This thread boils down to "I don't want people who do anti-social things in society."

It's not inciting hatred against any defined or recognised group, only against criminals.
Anti-social behaviour occurs where a person causes or, in the circumstances is likely to cause, to one or more persons who are not of the same household as the person:

• Harassment or
• Significant or persistent alarm, distress, fear or intimidation or
• Significant or persistent impairment of their use or enjoyment of their property.

- Citizens Information

Anti-social behaviour is more prevalent among the lower classes but that does not mean we should not target it lest it be interpreted as an attack on the lower classes.The idea that "scumbags" (as the term is well understood by more-or-less everyone) are some sort of protected group and that attacking them is somehow comparable to that of attacking blacks or gays is absurd.

Presently 'anti-social behaviour' makes a mockery of our due-process system of criminal justice. so I would reserve judgement about it's inherent criminality. It's a product of constant fear mongering by politicians and the media which has left us with a situation whereby people like yourself are willing to remove the right to procreate because of behaviour you find offensive. I bet if I was to spend a day with you I would find you had some behaviours I wouldn't agree with. Could I then reasonably suggest you be sterilised? or does this not prove that it is too wishy washy?

Also, ask yourself why is it more prevalent among the lower-classes? Is it by a natural process where they are more anti-social or is it by design? Ie. is it more prevalent because the lower-classes receive more attention?

Your definition of 'scumbag' - not very scientific is it? It's 'well understood by almost everyone'. Firstly the fact that myself and many other people posting in this thread disagree with you on its definition means you are wrong.
Secondly, if we were to use your term 'scumbag' we wouldn't be able to stop the sterilisation for the q of people that might fit the bill according to the next man.

I was talking to my father about the scumbag problem in Dublin yesterday and he told me that when he was young what happened in inner city Dublin was that if there was a row or scumbags were causing trouble,a guard would arrive at the scene,get off his bike,pick out the biggest troublemaker and floor him with a punch

instantly the trouble stopped and that was the end of it

Let's admit that we have a problem with a segment of our society. We have a significant number of people who:

Generally speaking don't contribute anything of value
Who have never worked and who have no interest in working
A portion are continually in trouble with the law sporting long rap sheets
Who breed as much as possible to claim various benefits, lack of contraception education etc
Habitual drug users

Everyone has a choice and if you really wanted to you can take the decision to lift yourself out of the situation you find yourself in and work for something better. I know some people find themselves in a spiral of negativity and that while these people may not necessarily be bad people they still had choices to make.

As I said at the beginning we have a problem, let's not be politically correct and harrang folk for admitting that we have a problem part of society. Let's start looking for answers. How do we as the people solve this problem? I know it's complex, I know we won't find the answer on an internet forum but there is no harm in discussing it. How do we resolve this issue that we have?
I know I'm posting this in the wrong forum but I'm not enlightened enough to have this as a serious discussion elsewhere.

Clearly our judicial system doesn't work. Sentences need to be tougher and carried out to term. Prisons need to be humane but tougher. There would also I guess need to be more police with wider- not all encompassing, powers.

Benefits. We have a fantastic social welfare system but it is abused. It clearly needs to be reformed as there are people caught in it who currently will never leave it.

Education. I know it sounds obvious but perhaps we need to put a focus that you need to educate yourself to lift you above your circumstance. That the right thing to do by society is to contribute rather than to take from it. That you're part of something more than just 'you'.

Community. I think this is something we have lost big time in Ireland. People don't for the most part, in urban areas at least, feel like they are part of a community anymore. I think it would be fantastic if people go together more, organised things such as clean ups of their area, had organisations they could be a part of. We're too focused on getting up, going to work, coming home and staying in our own little bubble.

The undesirable element of our society currently wield too much influence over the rest of us. I've travelled a bit in mainland Europe and nowhere else have I been where this segment of society is as tolerated. I've been to Poland 18 times since 2005 and I've never seen 'these people' as we do in Ireland. I've also been to the UK, Czech, France and a few other places. The tolerance for having these people in our bustling city centres causing a disturbance is both sad and amazing.

We have a real problem- what are the real, just, humane and proper ways to deal with it?

bedrock#1 wrote: »

Presently 'anti-social behaviour' makes a mockery of our due-process system of criminal justice. so I would reserve judgement about it's inherent criminality.

I wouldn't.

I fully support the criminalisation of harassment, intimidation and vandalism.

It's a product of constant fear mongering by politicians and the media which has left us with a situation whereby people like yourself are willing to remove the right to procreate because of behaviour you find offensive.

You say that as if my argument is based on removing behaviours I find offenesive...

I bet if I was to spend a day with you I would find you had some behaviours I wouldn't agree with. Could I then reasonably suggest you be sterilised?

You say that as if I agree with sterilisation...

or does this not prove that it is too wishy washy?

Your argument appears too wishy washy.

Also, ask yourself why is it more prevalent among the lower-classes? Is it by a natural process where they are more anti-social or is it by design? Ie. is it more prevalent because the lower-classes receive more attention?

It's more prevelant due to a serious of complex socio-economic factors.

Are you suggesting the public's opinion on the matter are being skewed by some anti-lower class power? The Ministry of Truth perhaps?

Your definition of 'scumbag' - not very scientific is it? It's 'well understood by almost everyone'. Firstly the fact that myself and many other people posting in this thread disagree with you on its definition means you are wrong.

I haven't seen anyone who disagrees that a scumbag is someone who engages in anti-social behaviour.

Secondly, if we were to use your term 'scumbag' we wouldn't be able to stop the sterilisation for the q of people that might fit the bill according to the next man.

As is the failure of the democratic system.

If you feel anti-social behaviour should not be legislated for perhaps you should take that issue up with your local representative.

I've also been to the UK, Czech, France and a few other places. The tolerance for having these people in our bustling city centres causing a disturbance is both sad and amazing.

The UK and France have a huge amount of unemployed people from formerly industrialised areas who are now cast adrift from the workforce and as such, society in general. The notion that people in the UK don't bang on about "chavs" etc is ridiculous. The problems with French ghettoes are well known.

To be honest the working class in places like the UK were completely shattered under Thatcher and large swathes of the country were left with no decent employment. This led to a rise in alienation and poverty which then brought problems of anti-social behaviour such as alcohol, drugs, social and domestic tensions etc. The council housing was sold off to the point that the remaining estates often became dumping grounds for the most vulnerable or at-risk segments of society. Which explains, to be blunt, why there are so many crackpots knocking around these areas.

My opinion may be unpopular, but we'd be better off acknowledging the fact that large groups of people have fallen through the cracks due to certain societal developments as opposed to it being a black-and-white case of working-class people being feckless rogues. A lack of jobs and social exclusion will lead to these problems, and that's what needs to be addressed.

Although it's far more fashionable to churn out hyperbolic nonsense about "pumping out kids for benefits" and call for sterilisation than acknowledge the facts.

Well we could start by bombing Oxegen this year, that's around 80,000 of them out of the way in a flash.

here's an idea, do we have any chemists or biologists on boards that could develop it

We sterilise everyone, maybe put something in the water, or make people get mandatory jabs every year, no jab no dole/job/car insurance/..... link it to something people value and you should get full cooperation.

then if you want to have kids you apply for a licence, if you can show that the child will be raised in a nourishing environment with its economic and emotional needs catered for you get the antidote