What are the pros and cons of multiracial multicultural society?

why are yous arguing over disability? ^^^^^^^^^^read the thread title again.

our workforce was opened to all of europe and beyond, theres loads of african guys who work with me and they seem to be able to get jobs here no problem. didnt know that was possible. i thought it was europe only?

SeanW wrote: »

Now, remember this is in Germany. What a multicultural paradise. :rolleyes:

I started school in Dublin. I moved to the countryside when I was 5. Throughout primary school I was bullied by kids that kept teasing me because I had a different accent. I was called brit, traitor and all sorts. This is because I was born in the UK.

That might have been kids being kids, but it's still racism. I was a small child with irish parents who who was abused because of where my accent originated. I still have the same accent today. Just like the girls being called german sluts, my own people decided to single me out and taunt me because of my differences. So before you go pointing your finger at turkish kids (Because you'd have to. After all you look down on muslims), remember that irish kids are just as bigoted and full of hate as any other race. And if you want to declare that they are nasty, you have to accept that irish kids can be just as bad.

A few years ago I was jumped by some louts outside a bar. They beat the crap out of me. I've mentioned it before. What I didn't mention was that two of them kept calling me an english bastard. I now have a 3 inch scar on the back of my head because of those guys.

When multiculturalism fails it's because of people like that. People who hold some inner hatred of those that are different. It doesn't happen because of the person who moved into the area. It happens because the people already in the area are racist pricks.

Shenshen wrote: »

The areas that had been mentioned, and that my quoted post had referred to.
Better?

I think you should look at the maps again. They quite clearly demonstrate a paucity of non-Irish nationals across the South city, with a predomination in poorer areas such as the inner city, the airport area and Blanchardstown in particular.

i drove down ballyboughill road onto parnell street for the first time in years, and it was a shocker how much it has changed. whether its for the better or worse i dont know. its certainly different. its this what multicultural means?

Grayson wrote: »

Lefty whataboutery

I'm sorry to hear about those things that happened to you, but I'm reasonably sure the stuff in Berlin is specifically linked to their culture. I highly doubt these children have decided that girls not covered are "sluts" and that murder victims "had it coming" on their own. They were influenced by the values of their parents. Who in turn are influenced by their culture, which they propogate from generation to poison filled generation.

With the full blessing of the multicultural left.

(Because you'd have to. After all you look down on muslims)

Nope. Only the crazy ones. Though I must admit the idea of an Islamic society anywhere doesn't really appeal to me given how most or all of them make Ireland under Archbishop McQuaid look like a freedom-loving liberal utopia.

When multiculturalism fails it's because of people like that. People who hold some inner hatred of those that are different. It doesn't happen because of the person who moved into the area. It happens because the people already in the area are racist pricks.

So it's ONLY ever the natives fault? Why am I not surprised :rolleyes:

Nodin wrote: »

...and if they don't get the grades because of a few hundred years of oppression that only offically really came to an end in the 1960's...? Because it appears to me you want to have a good old whinge about the system, but aren't too eager to consider why it exists. Or that exists in the workplace for more than issues of "race"......

The Chinese/Japanese/ Koreans had it rough in the states for a long time,but they constantly get better SAT scores than the European students, they don't need the help.If your house was burning down,with you inside,would you want the best fireman,or a minority fireman to be your lifeline?Black people have suffered greatly in their history,but this does not help foster better relationships.

suicide_circus wrote: »

10 or so years ago....how much did a flight from lagos to dublin cost...and what was the average wage in nigeria? Im assuming that the average impoverished nigerian would not have been able to afford this expense.

26,000 + from 2006 onwards did

Arcsin wrote: »

Is it a case of if you are white and don't pass the exams it's your own fault but if you are black and don't pass the exams it's still the white guy's fault?

That would be in line with the views of the Left.

SeanW wrote: »

It depends on what you mean by "fairly." You'd need to explain that.

Then please explain to me why Japan has a low crime rate.

And BTW some crimes do not transcend culture - they are exclusive to inferior cultures. Honour killings, Female Genital Mutilation etc are specific to lower cultures. Take for example the Turkish community in Berlin where honour killing is a respected part of life.
http://www.spiegel.de/international/the-death-of-a-muslim-woman-the-whore-lived-like-a-german-a-344374.html

But what was even more telling was the response from the community.Or the rise in bullying of schoolgirls that don't cover up:

Now, remember this is in Germany. What a multicultural paradise. :rolleyes:

Now, I know that you and Nodin don't have a problem with any of this because you've as much as said so, repeatedly.

But hey, maybe it's just my:
:rolleyes:
I mean, despite the fact that I'm an Irish citizen and resident, who am I to judge these barbarians with (deficient according to the cultural-relativist-Left) "Irish-centric perspective" :rolleyes:

Japan is an anomaly. It is one east Asian country, and one of the most wealthy at that.

I am not excusing honour killings. I think they are despicable. Theocracies are bull****, and I'm sure you know how our own country was affected by the stranglehold of the Church. However, honour killings are not tolerated in western societies. How many people actually advocate for that ****, besides the perpetrators? Is it really excused? Am I missing something?

Germany is also a strange case. These Turkish migrants were invited over in the 50's, but really weren't given proper oppurtunities to integrate. The understanding was that they would fecck off back to Turkey after they were finished their term working. But many decided to stay because they liked the standard of living offered in Germany. The dissonnance between them and the native Germans was never dealt with at the time. As far as the Germans were concerned, they weren't really there to stay, so they weren't really welcomed. Which is fair enough, if your understanding is that they're not going to be sticking around for more than a few years. However, if you're going to have people stay in your country permenantly, you really need to make adequate provisions (language classes, etc. German language knowledge was NOT required for the Turkish guest workers), and Germany failed in that regard. Attempts to remedy this have been made more recently, but it really seems like only the younger generations have the hope of making the changes required now, so it will take time.

A pain in the hole for the Germans, but you reap what you sow.

...in your humble opinion. Please stop trying to pass this off as objective fact.

This is objective fact. Blacks were forced to stay in this region for the dregs of employment available to them. They had roots in the southern states of the USA, and could not afford to leave nor when they did leave were opportunities available to them.

There is free movement of people in the USA. Nobody is forcing you to stay on the cotton plantation in Georgia. On the contrary, when blacks move into a neighbourhood, they generally turn it into a ghetto full of drugs, prostitutes and crime. Look what happened to Detroit...once the economic powerhouse of the America, it's now one big ghetto.

For whatever reason you seem determined to suggest that it's black nature to destroy a city maliciously. Detroit's population has declined by over a million people in the last 60 years. A pretty strong correlation with population-economic status rather than black population wouldn't you agree?

Your little invented scenario means nothing. The fact is, the black got the job ahead of the white simply because a racist law says that blacks need extra help. They're not as capable as the superior whites. Such racist trash.

That "little invented scenario" was a Nobel Prize winning theory from Amartya Sen in 1998 on welfare economics.

Nodin wrote: »

.....How did we get to "Nigerians" all of a sudden?

not picking on nigerians particularly but just musing that those who made it here to claim asylum probably were not the worlds most needy candidates, enter pamela stage left.
as for immigration in general, it is necessary and unstoppable. i am the son of an immigrant. my partner is an immigrant so immigration has been great for me

in terms of culture clash, i certainly think the onus is on the incoming party to adapt to the existing society rather than the reverse.