Farming Chit Chat II

reilig · 15-03-2013 10:47AM

freedominacup wrote: »

I wonder are they doing genomic tests for that one?

I doubt it.

We looked at it that it happening to one calf was unlucky, 2 calves is a soincidence, but when it happens to 7 or 8 calves, there has to be a cause. Vet mightn't have had scientific evidence, but he was right. We have never had a calf with it since.

freedominacup · 15-03-2013 10:51AM

reilig wrote: »

I doubt it.

We looked at it that it happening to one calf was unlucky, 2 calves is a soincidence, but when it happens to 7 or 8 calves, there has to be a cause. Vet mightn't have had scientific evidence, but he was right. We have never had a calf with it since.

The oul boy saw it once with an excitable cow and a calf with a heavy cord. She simply got hold of it and pulled it out. He still panics if he thinks a cow is getting a bit worked up in the first few mins after calving.

whelan1 · 15-03-2013 10:57AM

reilig wrote: »

Few years ago we bought a young limousin bull and had him running with a small part of the herd as he wasn't too strong. Every second calf that was born from him had the gut come out like that through the navel. Some of them had the gut pulled out as they dropped from the cow. We lost 4 calves in this way over a few weeks and on the vet's advice, we didn't keep the bull. Vet reconed that the bull had a genetic weakness which was passed to the calves to cause this.

had a ho/fr bull a few years ago and 90% of his calves died, vet was out a good few times and the angus calves that where born at the same time where flying, he said the same could only put it down to a genetic weakness- a bloody expensive genetic weakness in my book

reilig · 15-03-2013 11:13AM

Muckit wrote: »

I see a few of them on donedeal, ones off bigger machines with frames made up for them.

Do you think it'I be a better job than the chain harrow Reilig? Could you not have levelled with the link box with a few blocks in it, then used the chain harrow or is this a quicker and simpler job? Would it be any good for rolling in grass seed or have you a flat roller for this? Sorry for the 'questions and answers' session

I will certainly be using mine in conjunction with the chain harrow for reseeding. The ring roller is certainly better for levelling poached land. I'm also going to have to get the land leveller out this year to fill in some of the track that were made last summer and I'll roll them after I land level and seed.

I could use the link box, but for much of my poached land, the roller will suffice - the box or the land leveller would do the job but would destroy any grass that is growing. The roller won't destroy grass - that's the advantage of it I suppose.

pakalasa · 15-03-2013 12:08PM

reilig wrote: »

...We lost 4 calves in this way over a few weeks and on the vet's advice, we didn't keep the bull. Vet reconed that the bull had a genetic weakness which was passed to the calves to cause this.

The calf, a bull is by Ardlea Dan, ADX. I doubt if it's genetic. I see on ICBF website that he has 2,500 births registered to him, so unlikely genetic.
Calf is sitting up and lively enough. He moved 6 feet from where I left him last night too. I got another 2 Lts into him this morning and he put up a bit of a struggle when tubeing him.

hugo29 · 15-03-2013 12:26PM

reilig wrote: »

I will certainly be using mine in conjunction with the chain harrow for reseeding. The ring roller is certainly better for levelling poached land. I'm also going to have to get the land leveller out this year to fill in some of the track that were made last summer and I'll roll them after I land level and seed.

I could use the link box, but for much of my poached land, the roller will suffice - the box or the land leveller would do the job but would destroy any grass that is growing. The roller won't destroy grass - that's the advantage of it I suppose.

would the chain harrow break up the existing ground, i have it mulched and sprayed off and I need to break the ground up before i run over with the one pass system, also givin it a run of the mole plough

reilig · 15-03-2013 12:33PM

hugo29 wrote: »

would the chain harrow break up the existing ground, i have it mulched and sprayed off and I need to break the ground up before i run over with the one pass system, also givin it a run of the mole plough

I have a few posts from the past which give details of how I reseeded using the chainharrow. Look them up. Works for me anyway!

whelan1 · 15-03-2013 12:37PM

was powerwashing out a shed there and a dept guy arrived, thing is you dont know what they want when they come.... all was fine he was just checking the inspection the dairies did last year phew;)

td5man · 15-03-2013 03:33PM

whelan1 wrote: »

was powerwashing out a shed there and a dept guy arrived, thing is you dont know what they want when they come.... all was fine he was just checking the inspection the dairies did last year phew;)

Do the dairies do the inspections now and then cross checked at random by the dept. Havent had a dairy inspection in years

whelan1 · 15-03-2013 03:54PM

td5man wrote: »

Do the dairies do the inspections now and then cross checked at random by the dept. Havent had a dairy inspection in years

glanbia inspect every few years, they where with me in august and dept guy was rechecking his work today:rolleyes:

hugo29 · 15-03-2013 05:34PM

had a contractor booked a while back to mulch rushes, he has informed me he can come tomorrow or next week, rained on and off here last couple days, has anyone seen forecast for next week,
ah might chance it, fine dry land here in the west:rolleyes:

Conmaicne Mara · 15-03-2013 06:40PM

hugo29 wrote: »

fine dry land here in the west:rolleyes:

It's amazing how soft it got again once that bit of frost passed.

td5man · 15-03-2013 06:49PM

td5man wrote: »

Do the dairies do the inspections now and then cross checked at random by the dept. Havent had a dairy inspection in years

I'll probably have an inspection now :eek:

hoseman · 15-03-2013 07:33PM

Collected tractor from mechanic,Leak was from seal in the rocker cover,busy weekend to catch up on 2 days work.

saranac1 · 15-03-2013 08:09PM

Lim heifer calved last night, calf got stuck at the hips, heifer was small and heifer calf was big. Calf was alive for about a minute but myself and father could not pull the calf out, heifer went down and it took an half hour and luck but we got the calf out. Mother hasn't got up yet, does try at times, eating meal and hay at the moment but should I give mother injection or anything else. I did give penstrip last night!

freedominacup · 15-03-2013 08:20PM

saranac1 wrote: »

Lim heifer calved last night, calf got stuck at the hips, heifer was small and heifer calf was big. Calf was alive for about a minute but myself and father could not pull the calf out, heifer went down and it took an half hour and luck but we got the calf out. Mother hasn't got up yet, does try at times, eating meal and hay at the moment but should I give mother injection or anything else. I did give penstrip last night!

Get some calcium into her (400ml calciject) for starters. Check for mastitis. Get a lifting harness and get her up. Get her out to a sheltered paddock. The best chance she has is as much of your time as you can give her plus whatever you can't really. She needs to be lifted and get the back legs moving asap. By moving if shes not doing it then you have to move them for her. Get her legs under her and make her take her own weight with the lifting frame still on her. Support her from falling sideways yourself. It's all down to whether you have the time to give her.

1chippy · 15-03-2013 08:31PM

Had the first lost of the year here today, hopefully the last. Had a heifer springing up so put here in one of the calving pens. watching another cow to calve that still hasnt but went down and found the heifer calving this morning. must have been calving a while because the head of the calf and tongue was well swollen and caught at the shoulders. took the calf dead anyway, beaut of a limo bull calf. i wrapped a bucket fed i had bought in the cleanings and pegged him in with her, seems to have taken well. Heifer is still very staggery so i got a steriod injection of the vet and have to repeat it for three days, will get the name in the morning sanarc, may be of use to you reckon you will have to confirm with your vet though.

hugo29 · 15-03-2013 10:13PM

Have a calf with what seems sore back leg, standing with hump, gingerly puts weight on it, not swollen and calf sucking so confused

whelan1 · 15-03-2013 10:15PM

hows his navel, any temperature?

bbam · 15-03-2013 10:44PM

bbam wrote: »

Ahhhh
Calf down in the shed thismorning under the feeders where ground is wet. Amd we had a bad frost too. Had to carry him to a corner and isolate him under a heat lamp.
Got some warm feed into him And dried him off but he's looking ****edd.
Have to do school run before work, might nip back and feed him again.

Was lifting this calf all last week as he was down with scour. Thought I was in the clear with him

Well Lazerous won't rise this time. Fecker was dead thismorning in his pen. And he was back standing and feeding well last night, picking at hay and crunch. Kinda gutted as its the first suck we've lost in a few years.

reilig · 15-03-2013 10:59PM

Had a cow calve last night at 3am. She was sick from 1am on wednesday night. She completely mucked up the calving pen. Never saw a cow sick for 27 hours before she calved. Handled her after 18 hours because I thought the calf bed might be twisted, but could find the water bag and the feet and the calf had not been pushed out of the womb. She calved a big heifer calf on her own - water bag pushed out and calf on the straw within half an hour. She lay down most of the day (Tiredness I presume) and only ate some silage and meal this evening.

jomoloney · 15-03-2013 11:00PM

just had the vet in with a cow with lower DA , not suitable for surgery , going to chance rolling her in the morning, , she's about 700 kgs really looking forward to sunrise

just do it · 15-03-2013 11:44PM

freedominacup wrote: »

Get some calcium into her (400ml calciject) for starters. Check for mastitis. Get a lifting harness and get her up. Get her out to a sheltered paddock. The best chance she has is as much of your time as you can give her plus whatever you can't really. She needs to be lifted and get the back legs moving asap. By moving if shes not doing it then you have to move them for her. Get her legs under her and make her take her own weight with the lifting frame still on her. Support her from falling sideways yourself. It's all down to whether you have the time to give her.

I take the opposite view regarding lifting her. Leave her time. Imagine your pelvis is in bits and you've nerve paralysis. Time is what you need. When you break a bone in your leg the advice isn't to stand on it as soon as you can and walk as soon as you can. It is immobilsed to give it time to heal. Lift her only to ensure she is on either a deep soft bed or outside. When she's ready she'll get up, and this can take 3 to 4 weeks. That of course is unless there is too much damage done.

just do it · 15-03-2013 11:47PM

reilig wrote: »

Had a cow calve last night at 3am. She was sick from 1am on wednesday night. She completely mucked up the calving pen. Never saw a cow sick for 27 hours before she calved. Handled her after 18 hours because I thought the calf bed might be twisted, but could find the water bag and the feet and the calf had not been pushed out of the womb. She calved a big heifer calf on her own - water bag pushed out and calf on the straw within half an hour. She lay down most of the day (Tiredness I presume) and only ate some silage and meal this evening.

Possibly low in calcium

just do it · 16-03-2013 12:24AM

How wide can you make a slatted unit pen?

I like the 3 bay shed featured in this weeks journal. 2 bays are slats and the third has a solid floor allowing multi-purpose usage. They mention 12 cows per slatted pen with each pen measuring ~16ft by ~16ft. I'd have thought 12 cows is too many and 8/9 cows would be more appropriate.

bob charles · 16-03-2013 12:28AM

saranac1 wrote: »

Lim heifer calved last night, calf got stuck at the hips, heifer was small and heifer calf was big. Calf was alive for about a minute but myself and father could not pull the calf out, heifer went down and it took an half hour and luck but we got the calf out. Mother hasn't got up yet, does try at times, eating meal and hay at the moment but should I give mother injection or anything else. I did give penstrip last night!

Get an anti inflammatory for her as probably lots of muscle tears etc

bob charles · 16-03-2013 12:31AM

lost a cow to listersios today, I should get the greatest toe up where the sun dont shine as I put her out this morning and her balance was a bit off. Said I would jab her later on as she was up and grazing. Later on materialised to darkness and too late for treatment as she was way worse. :rolleyes:

Dont be daft · 16-03-2013 12:58AM

bob charles wrote: »

lost a cow to listersios today, I should get the greatest toe up where the sun dont shine as I put her out this morning and her balance was a bit off. Said I would jab her later on as she was up and grazing. Later on materialised to darkness and too late for treatment as she was way worse. :rolleyes:

Is listerosis "circling cow disease"?

Is she dead?

It's a right f*cker of disease, lost a bull to it meself a few years ago.Totally my fault, learned me lesson that day after a right bust up with the father and the brother.

Saved a few since but they'd never be right after it. Physically fine and they'd fatten out grand but they'd be pure stupid, probably brain damaged.

micky mouse · 16-03-2013 12:59AM

hugo29 wrote: »

Have a calf with what seems sore back leg, standing with hump, gingerly puts weight on it, not swollen and calf sucking so confused

Sounds like black leg

bob charles · 16-03-2013 01:12AM

Dont be daft wrote: »

Is listerosis "circling cow disease"?

Is she dead?

It's a right f*cker of disease, lost a bull to it meself a few years ago.Totally my fault, learned me lesson that day after a right bust up with the father and the brother.

Saved a few since but they'd never be right after it. Physically fine and they'd fatten out grand but they'd be pure stupid, probably brain damaged.

yip, Probably one of the easiest diseases to spot and treat. So simple that I taught she may have something more complicated. Gave her a big shot of Cortisone to reduce any swelling on the brain and an anti-biotic to kill the infection which is usually easy enough depending on how far it has advanced, probably too late in my case.

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