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El_Dangeroso · 03-02-2013 7:56pm

Gummy Panda wrote: »

Right after working out a meal plan based on the above calculations and looking at the serving sizes, it is actually hard to overeat unless you are eating processed foods or drinking your calories. Cheaper too when you go Aldi

Share! I'll guinea pig it for you!

Gummy Panda · 03-02-2013 8:01pm

El_Dangeroso wrote: »

Share! I'll guinea pig it for you!

No! you'll just drink a tub of double cream and say there is your calories :pac:

I'm happy with it now and have left space for tweaking between foods. I also secured some quark from Dunnes so I'll be mixing that with butterscotch whey to make angel delight

Orla K · 03-02-2013 8:07pm

El_Dangeroso wrote: »

He has publicly admitted he has B12 injections.

I can't believe he did that, there's loads of videos of him going on about how paleo/primal people take a load of vitamins and he gets everything he needs from food blah blah blah.

His video of him saying he tried going primal and nearly died his really funny, he said he couldn't poo and that's why he nearly died.

Orla K · 03-02-2013 8:11pm

Panda's post just reminded me there's new flavours of quest bars and I saw something about a cookie dough one coming out, don't know if that's true it's not on their website. But if it is I'm going to make icecream out of my cookies and cream whey get one of those bars chop it up along with chocolate pieces and mix it into the icecream. Protein cookie dough icecream!

Orla K · 03-02-2013 11:41pm

I read this and I don't know what to think. Besides the comment Annette made reading through that page and another thyroid page it's full of people looking for help because they're not being medicated properly. It's horrible to think that people are going though most of their life feeling crap and with health problems and most of the medical community, in November Anthony Weetman was honored by Novo Nordisk Fonden he wrote an article “Whose Thyroid Hormone Is It anyway,” in the Journal of Clinical Endocrinology he said if someone has optimal TSH then they must have functional somatoform disorder, or hypochondriacs

So a person having Sudden cardiac death is caused by imagining it:mad:

hollypink · 04-02-2013 10:32am

I caught a little bit of the John Murray show this morning and they were doing the weekly piece on Operation Transformation. That 12 year old boy who weighed 21 stone was on; he's doing well with over 2 stone down already but god, it was depressing to hear his mother admit that one evening they came home and she had nothing prepared for dinner and she asked him if it would be ok if they got a takeaway curry if she got boiled rice with it

Fortunately he said no but all I could think was what hope does he have if his mother doesn't seem to understand how serious his weight issue is.

Orla K · 04-02-2013 11:17am

hollypink wrote: »

I caught a little bit of the John Murray show this morning and they were doing the weekly piece on Operation Transformation. That 12 year old boy who weighed 21 stone was on; he's doing well with over 2 stone down already but god, it was depressing to hear his mother admit that one evening they came home and she had nothing prepared for dinner and she asked him if it would be ok if they got a takeaway curry if she got boiled rice with it Fortunately he said no but all I could think was what hope does he have if his mother doesn't seem to understand how serious his weight issue is.

I didn't know 12 year old boys could weigh 21stone!

Stench Blossoms · 04-02-2013 11:18am

His mother is also fairly overweight. Good to know that he said no about the curry.

It's a shame that it got to a stage where he ended up at 21stone.

hollypink · 04-02-2013 11:31am

Stench Blossoms wrote: »

His mother is also fairly overweight. Good to know that he said no about the curry.

It's a shame that it got to a stage where he ended up at 21stone.

It is good he said no to the curry, but I imagine that he is highly motivated at the moment because of the attention and getting a lot of support from the OT team, especially having to face the scary Dr Eva regularly. The trouble is, he has a long way to go and I don't know if the OT support will be there long term so at his age, he is going to be very dependent on his mother supporting him fully in eating healthily and keeping the necessary calorie deficit.

Stench Blossoms · 04-02-2013 11:43am

Yeh that's very true.

One of the 'contestants' said last week something along the lines of wanting to make a permanent change and wasn't looking for a quick fix. I think this needs to be stressed more in the show.

I also think they should do more follow ups of the previous contestants.

Dolbert · 04-02-2013 12:30pm

I watched an episode last week where Dr. Eva was eating the head off one woman because she had 'only' lost 3.5lb that week. WTF like

hollypink · 04-02-2013 12:46pm

Dolbert wrote: »

I watched an episode last week where Dr. Eva was eating the head off one woman because she had 'only' lost 3.5lb that week. WTF like

Yeah, I caught that bit too, it was ridiculous. Her target was 4lbs so she almost reached it. You'd think the girl had put on weight, from the way Dr Eva was banging on. I suppose they think it makes for good tv.

On a separate note, today's weight comment at work:
colleague: "hollypink, are you in training for something?".
me: "no, nothing in particular" (cos I'm exercising regularly but not training for a particular event)
colleague "it's just that you've lost so much weight"
me: "well yes, I wanted to lose some weight"
colleague "you wouldn't want to lose any more or you'll look sick or something"

My BMI is 22 so I'm hardly wasting away and I'm pretty sure I don't look gaunt or anything. And this from someone who is a heavy smoker. It's weird, I wouldn't dream of commenting on his smoking.

Gummy Panda · 04-02-2013 2:18pm

Sweet potatoes taste **** compared to white potatoes

Stench Blossoms · 04-02-2013 2:23pm

I much prefer sweet potatoes now. Throw a bit of paprika on them. Nyom nyom nyom.

If I was eating regular potatoes I'd need to latter them in butter to enjoy them.

Zombienosh · 04-02-2013 9:08pm

sweet potatos and parsnips with honey and cinnamon is my kryptonite.

Gummy Panda · 04-02-2013 9:12pm

Quest bars truly are awesome. Got peanut supreme and apple pie. Lovely.

don't like natural range though

April O Neill · 04-02-2013 10:22pm

hollypink wrote: »

Yeah, I caught that bit too, it was ridiculous. Her target was 4lbs so she almost reached it. You'd think the girl had put on weight, from the way Dr Eva was banging on. I suppose they think it makes for good tv.

On a separate note, today's weight comment at work:
colleague: "hollypink, are you in training for something?".
me: "no, nothing in particular" (cos I'm exercising regularly but not training for a particular event)
colleague "it's just that you've lost so much weight"
me: "well yes, I wanted to lose some weight"
colleague "you wouldn't want to lose any more or you'll look sick or something"

My BMI is 22 so I'm hardly wasting away and I'm pretty sure I don't look gaunt or anything. And this from someone who is a heavy smoker. It's weird, I wouldn't dream of commenting on his smoking.

22 is pretty darn perfick (but less than that is of course healthy too). Ignore him!

April O Neill · 04-02-2013 10:24pm

Gummy Panda wrote: »

Sweet potatoes taste **** compared to white potatoes

Agreed. Too sweet, and I hate their texture too. A small amount mashed up with parsnip and carrot is lovely but that's about it.

Stench Blossoms wrote: »

If I was eating regular potatoes I'd need to latter them in butter to enjoy them.

I'm not seeing the problem. :pac:

Stench Blossoms · 05-02-2013 8:41am

April O Neill wrote: »

I'm not seeing the problem. :pac:

As much as I love butter I tend to eat bucket loads of it on potatoes.

Ratio of 1 part potato to 2.5 parts butter !!

robocode · 05-02-2013 8:01pm

Gummy Panda wrote: »

Quest bars truly are awesome. Got peanut supreme and apple pie. Lovely.

don't like natural range though

I tried the peanut butter and jelly before and really liked them. Where do you get yours?

Gummy Panda · 05-02-2013 8:17pm

robocode wrote: »

I tried the peanut butter and jelly before and really liked them. Where do you get yours?

Get them from discountsupplements.ie. I buy more then a box at time to get multi buy discount then use FB5 code for 5% off.

Today's food hasn't gone well. I have 1661 calories left to eat. Might have to invoke IIFYM

robocode · 05-02-2013 8:30pm

I think I'll stick with iHerb, they're about €19/box and €4 delivery.

Gummy Panda · 05-02-2013 8:32pm

robocode wrote: »

I think I'll stick with iHerb, they're about €19/box and €4 delivery.

Yeah iherb are cheaper but i like next day delivery and not having to go to an post depot because they threw a card in my letterbox saying I wasn't there. They are fúckers for that ****!

robocode · 05-02-2013 8:56pm

They're fond of that bloody card alright!

El_Dangeroso · 05-02-2013 11:28pm

http://junkscience.com/2013/02/05/oops-pufas-may-actually-increase-risk-of-death-in-patients-with-heart-disease/

Ten million internet points to anyone who can find me this paper, have scoured the BMJ website to no avail.

This is the first direct paper to examine that vegetable oil increases the risk of heart-disease. If it's a good paper, this is HUGE.

Orla K · 05-02-2013 11:48pm

El_Dangeroso wrote: »

http://junkscience.com/2013/02/05/oops-pufas-may-actually-increase-risk-of-death-in-patients-with-heart-disease/

Ten million internet points to anyone who can find me this paper, have scoured the BMJ website to no avail.

This is the first direct paper to examine that vegetable oil increases the risk of heart-disease. If it's a good paper, this is HUGE.

Why don't you try contact the person that wrote that to get the info of where to find the study.

henbane · 06-02-2013 9:58am

El_Dangeroso wrote: »

http://junkscience.com/2013/02/05/oops-pufas-may-actually-increase-risk-of-death-in-patients-with-heart-disease/

Ten million internet points to anyone who can find me this paper, have scoured the BMJ website to no avail.

This is the first direct paper to examine that vegetable oil increases the risk of heart-disease. If it's a good paper, this is HUGE.

Is this it? http://www.bmj.com/content/346/bmj.e8707

El_Dangeroso · 06-02-2013 2:09pm

henbane wrote: »

Is this it? http://www.bmj.com/content/346/bmj.e8707

THAT'S the one!

Conclusions Advice to substitute polyunsaturated fats for saturated fats is a key component of worldwide dietary guidelines for coronary heart disease risk reduction. However, clinical benefits of the most abundant polyunsaturated fatty acid, omega 6 linoleic acid, have not been established. In this cohort, substituting dietary linoleic acid in place of saturated fats increased the rates of death from all causes, coronary heart disease, and cardiovascular disease. An updated meta-analysis of linoleic acid intervention trials showed no evidence of cardiovascular benefit. These findings could have important implications for worldwide dietary advice to substitute omega 6 linoleic acid, or polyunsaturated fats in general, for saturated fats.

Suck on that Flora!!

Gummy Panda · 06-02-2013 5:38pm

Does anyone else get cravings for high calorie foods when sick?

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar · 06-02-2013 5:43pm

Gummy Panda wrote: »

Does anyone else get cravings for high calorie foods when sick?

**** yes

well not exactly sick but I had a massive panic attack on sunday and I've been having rolling mini attacks every few hours since then. in the last 3 days I've had a chip box, 2 quarter pounder, multi pack of snickers, pick'n' mix bonbons, custard creams, sensations crisps, etc.
I gave a small nod to healthy food yesterday by frying up a steak for dinner but other than that I've dedicated every bit of food to making me feel better now, not eating well for the future.

El_Dangeroso · 06-02-2013 5:49pm

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar wrote: »

**** yes

well not exactly sick but I had a massive panic attack on sunday and I've been having rolling mini attacks every few hours since then. in the last 3 days I've had a chip box, 2 quarter pounder, multi pack of snickers, pick'n' mix bonbons, custard creams, sensations crisps, etc.
I gave a small nod to healthy food yesterday by frying up a steak for dinner but other than that I've dedicated every bit of food to making me feel better now, not eating well for the future.

Blood sugar issues are really tied to panic attacks. Not saying that's what caused it in you, there are many causes, but just that you instantly self-medicate with high calorie, high carb food might be something to explore.

BTW, the glycerine trick seemed to work for me when I used to get horrendous hypoglycaemic panic attacks when doing daily fasts.

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar · 06-02-2013 5:57pm

well I started getting mine after a year of ... well not eating basically. I lived on 3-4 chicken dippers a day, plus some crackers and 2-3 ltrs of coffee. so it's all in my head now that panic attacks are related to food, when I get them.. I eat to make them go away. I could do healthy eating but I generally feel like death so just want to binge and treat myself.

I've pretty much cut sugar out of my diet for months now and this is the first attack I've had in a long time so I don't think it's anything neccesarily "health" related, I just bring them on myself without realising.

El_Dangeroso · 06-02-2013 6:00pm

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar wrote: »

well I started getting mine after a year of ... well not eating basically. I lived on 3-4 chicken dippers a day, plus some crackers and 2-3 ltrs of coffee. so it's all in my head now that panic attacks are related to food, when I get them.. I eat to make them go away. I could do healthy eating but I generally feel like death so just want to binge and treat myself.

I've pretty much cut sugar out of my diet for months now and this is the first attack I've had in a long time so I don't think it's anything neccesarily "health" related, I just bring them on myself without realising.

I was eating super healthy at the time I got them too, that's why it took so long to figure out it was related to a hypo, I had no other hypo symptoms (classic shaking, dizziness). No harm trying the glycerine to see, it's harmless and cheap.

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar · 06-02-2013 6:04pm

El_Dangeroso wrote: »

I was eating super healthy at the time I got them too, that's why it took so long to figure out it was related to a hypo, I had no other hypo symptoms (classic shaking, dizziness). No harm trying the glycerine to see, it's harmless and cheap.

I use it all the time in my e-cig.. although probably not safe to drink the stuff I have with nicotine in it

I'll keep a bottle of it around anyway. i'm going to be seeing a doctor at some point in the next fortnight so I'll be sure and mention it to her, see if there's any sort of test to be done.

Stench Blossoms · 06-02-2013 6:11pm

When I'm sick all I want is a really hot curry and after I eat it I always feel worse.

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar · 06-02-2013 6:16pm

Stench Blossoms wrote: »

When I'm sick all I want is a really hot curry and after I eat it I always feel worse.

damn you stench blossoms. i was just about to make myself a nice stir fry... now i'm craving curry.

Stench Blossoms · 06-02-2013 6:17pm

Just throw a bit of curry powder into the stir fry!

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar · 06-02-2013 6:21pm

dont have any, and I dont like to keep it around

having a hot curry generally screws with my rosacea so I prefer to avoid the temptation. Tonight though.. it's gonna be glorious. expensive, calorie heavy.. but glorious.

Stench Blossoms · 06-02-2013 6:26pm

Did ya attempt to make the coconut wraps since?

I've been making a protein pancake with coconut flour as a base for a meringue. Love it.

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar · 06-02-2013 6:33pm

no, i tried the two times and have given up now for a while. i was on a bit of a wrap buzz for a few weeks but I've weaned myself off them now and am just having stir fries.

i'll come back to it in a while, I don't think the flour will be going out of date any time soon so I'm in no rush. if I try and fail again I'll just use the coconut flour in something else, it'll give me an excuse to learn to cook.

Stench Blossoms · 06-02-2013 6:39pm

Coconut flour brownies are alright. They always go down well.

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar · 06-02-2013 6:45pm

yeah I need to get a set of measauring cups before I try anything else with it. 99% of recipes for it seem to be from america with their awful non metric measurements

Stench Blossoms · 06-02-2013 6:47pm

I actually bought measuring cups today. 3.50 in my local homeware shop. A lot handier than always trying to convert measurements.

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar · 06-02-2013 6:56pm

3.50? i assumed you'd only be able to find fancy pants expensive ones in store so i was waiting until there were enough things on amazon i wanted to get some

guess I'll have a tip into town on friday and see what I can see

El_Dangeroso · 06-02-2013 7:41pm

I got some in the €2 shop for..€2

They are great I use them all the time, so handy for cooking rice or adding a tablespoon of something, I have 20 different size tablespoons in my press so it's nice to be exact.

doctorwhogirl · 06-02-2013 8:12pm

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar wrote: »

3.50? i assumed you'd only be able to find fancy pants expensive ones in store so i was waiting until there were enough things on amazon i wanted to get some

guess I'll have a tip into town on friday and see what I can see

Homestore and More...

But when they're gone, they're gone...etc... etc...

connollys · 07-02-2013 9:48am

El_Dangeroso wrote: »

I got some in the €2 shop for..€2

They are great I use them all the time, so handy for cooking rice or adding a tablespoon of something, I have 20 different size tablespoons in my press so it's nice to be exact.

Yea, they are in the Euro2 shops, plastic ones but do the job.

WesternZulu · 07-02-2013 12:45pm

El_Dangeroso wrote: »

http://junkscience.com/2013/02/05/oops-pufas-may-actually-increase-risk-of-death-in-patients-with-heart-disease/

Ten million internet points to anyone who can find me this paper, have scoured the BMJ website to no avail.

This is the first direct paper to examine that vegetable oil increases the risk of heart-disease. If it's a good paper, this is HUGE.

How big of an impact will a study like this have on 'cholesterol market'?
Will this possibly change medical recommendations that people should stop using butter and the likes, and switch to Flora and drink Benocol?

El_Dangeroso · 07-02-2013 3:01pm

WesternZulu wrote: »

How big of an impact will a study like this have on 'cholesterol market'?
Will this possibly change medical recommendations that people should stop using butter and the likes, and switch to Flora and drink Benocol?

It won't change much at all, the silence from the media outlets are deafening. This is 'missing' data from an older study.. so that raises huge questions to start with.

Read my sig for more details on why it takes a very long time for opinions to change..:)

parasite · 07-02-2013 3:23pm

saw it in the dailymail if that counts
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-2274168/Swapping-butter-margarine-bad-health.html &
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-2274747/At-truth-Butter-GOOD--margarine-chemical-gunk.html

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