Chargers Thread

Justin10 · 10-12-2012 08:12PM

Molly wrote: »

8-8 sends us to play offs if bengals and steelers only win 1 game each :rolleyes:

I know I just meant I would love to beat Panthers because good few ex Chargers there, and Jets & Oakland for obvious reasons.

OAOB · 10-12-2012 08:15PM

Rochey18 wrote: »

Mouton is no use in coverage, they thought if he could pick it up he be brilliant, granted no way should be doing that with your second pick.

I must say starting to really like our corners, they aint the best but I just love them Gilchrist and Wright have come on hugely.

I really don't know if I want 8-8 or top 10 pick
We currently have 9th and two AFC west teams are in top 5 :eek:

Actually meant to say i was really impressed with our corners, the only one that really looked in trouble was Jammer and he isn't in our long term plans, probably not even next years plans. Credit to the defensive line too, got good pressure all day and with Martin injured on the first series it meant less rotation than we'd like.
Also Lynch is doing good at SS, he should be in a camp battle with Taylor next year.

I'm still hoping for 5-11, i think Sundays performance shows what we could be, need a few pieces and a top 10 pick would mean we've got a chance at the players we need.

OAOB · 10-12-2012 08:16PM

Molly wrote: »

8-8 sends us to play offs if bengals and steelers only win 1 game each :rolleyes:

I thought if the Bengals win one more then we're out as they have the tie breaker over us

Molly · 10-12-2012 08:20PM

I think lynch is more of a FS. Holds FCS record for passes defended, and as we saw vs the Bengals he's not a solid tackler.

Also my rolleyes wasn't aimed at you Rochey, it was basically saying how crap the AFC outside of the top few is this year

Justin10 · 10-12-2012 08:20PM

OAOB wrote: »

I thought if the Bengals win one more then we're out as they have the tie breaker over us

But if they lose to the Steelers and and we all end up 8-8 I think we go through.
It wont happen anyway. Jammer did have a bit of trouble but think that was more to do with speed then poor play. Dont remember Brown getting a catch on Cason?

OAOB · 10-12-2012 08:27PM

Rochey18 wrote: »

But if they lose to the Steelers and and we all end up 8-8 I think we go through.
It wont happen anyway. Jammer did have a bit of trouble but think that was more to do with speed then poor play. Dont remember Brown getting a catch on Cason?

Jammer is getting beat by any speedy receiver, unfortunately he has to be replaced.
Cason has been good the last few weeks, he got harshly penalised yesterday on one play. He's starting to play for a new contract

Leslie91 · 11-12-2012 10:49AM

No way Lynch is a true starting SS. Imho that player needs to be Taylor (but that looks a long shot if he can't beat our Lynch) or Jammer or someone new. It's been talked about for years but by the time Jam is looked at as a SS he'll be retired.

Leslie91 · 11-12-2012 10:50AM

Rochey18 wrote: »

But if they lose to the Steelers and and we all end up 8-8 I think we go through.
It wont happen anyway. Jammer did have a bit of trouble but think that was more to do with speed then poor play. Dont remember Brown getting a catch on Cason?

I'm not interested in the playoffs this year. Were we to fluke our way in then it might be another excuse to keep the status quo and we'll embarrass ourselves again in 2013 nevermind do nothing in 2012 postseason. We need to clean house in terms of mgmt and re-build this roster starting with the O line.

OAOB · 11-12-2012 02:41PM

Leslie91 wrote: »

I'm not interested in the playoffs this year. Were we to fluke our way in then it might be another excuse to keep the status quo and we'll embarrass ourselves again in 2013 nevermind do nothing in 2012 postseason. We need to clean house in terms of mgmt and re-build this roster starting with the O line.

Don't think the roster needs a huge amount of re-building, a new o-line and a fresh coach to revitalise everyone and i think we can be pretty good.

Leslie91 · 11-12-2012 03:32PM

OAOB wrote: »

Don't think the roster needs a huge amount of re-building, a new o-line and a fresh coach to revitalise everyone and i think we can be pretty good.

O line, SS, corner, OLB & ILB, NT, WR and TE are all needs imho.

OAOB · 11-12-2012 04:01PM

Leslie91 wrote: »

O line, SS, corner, OLB & ILB, NT, WR and TE are all needs imho.

At the monment i'd agree with you except for WR, Floyd, Alexander, Spurlock, Brown & 1 more out of Royal, Meachem, Tutu is not a bad line up at all.
It's sad that two of our needs are in positions we drafted last year, if Taylor progresses in the off season then SS is sorted. Even if he doesn't appear to make strides i don't think we should draft a SS next year. A full off season for Green should help him bulk up but we still need at least 1 more TE for next year.
O-line in round 1&2, and then take the highest rated OLB, ILB or CB on our board.
This leaves Franklin as our NT for next season, he's earned that. I also think Garay can be cut and re-signed to a contract similar to this years one if needs be. But who knows, a new coach and we could shift to a 4-3

Leslie91 · 11-12-2012 04:48PM

OAOB wrote: »

At the monment i'd agree with you except for WR, Floyd, Alexander, Spurlock, Brown & 1 more out of Royal, Meachem, Tutu is not a bad line up at all.
It's sad that two of our needs are in positions we drafted last year, if Taylor progresses in the off season then SS is sorted. Even if he doesn't appear to make strides i don't think we should draft a SS next year. A full off season for Green should help him bulk up but we still need at least 1 more TE for next year.
O-line in round 1&2, and then take the highest rated OLB, ILB or CB on our board.
This leaves Franklin as our NT for next season, he's earned that. I also think Garay can be cut and re-signed to a contract similar to this years one if needs be. But who knows, a new coach and we could shift to a 4-3

At WR both Alexander and Floyd are brittle and Brown was banged up this year too. Seems the only guy we can count on is Spurlock and we released him (stupidly) during the year. Meachem is an enigma.

Taylor has been HUGE disappointment. If he can't beat out Lynch then he's in trouble. Jammer at SS is still an option that they might choose but too late.

Green is a project. When he's been thrown to in my opinion he has looked v good. Another coach (one not as conservative) might have given this guy his chance earlier eg. look what a tall wideout like Alexander is doing, Green is as tall.

Franklin must have v little left in the tank. Garay is more or less done too. A young hungry NT would be nice. We're a long way from a 4-3 as we don't have the pass rushing ends we would need. We have the 4-3 tackles though ie. the 3-4 ends.

OAOB · 11-12-2012 05:47PM

Leslie91 wrote: »

At WR both Alexander and Floyd are brittle and Brown was banged up this year too. Seems the only guy we can count on is Spurlock and we released him (stupidly) during the year. Meachem is an enigma.

Taylor has been HUGE disappointment. If he can't beat out Lynch then he's in trouble. Jammer at SS is still an option that they might choose but too late.

Green is a project. When he's been thrown to in my opinion he has looked v good. Another coach (one not as conservative) might have given this guy his chance earlier eg. look what a tall wideout like Alexander is doing, Green is as tall.

Franklin must have v little left in the tank. Garay is more or less done too. A young hungry NT would be nice. We're a long way from a 4-3 as we don't have the pass rushing ends we would need. We have the 4-3 tackles though ie. the 3-4 ends.

Floyd has been healthy nearly all year and i know Alexanders knees are a worry but they haven't shown to be brittle this year. Brown hasn't a history of being injured that i know of, a broken bone is more bad luck than a sign of health issues. I think drafting a WR would be a waste of a pick this year when we have more pressing needs. If we're going to do it it should be near the back end of the draft.

I think its probably too late for Jammer to go to SS, he could hold us over for a year maybe but we still need to find a longer term replacement. I'll give Taylor a full off season before i call him a huge disappointment.

Green is a pass catcher only at the minute, i know we both thought he could have been used more as a WR than a TE this year. I think he's being groomed as Gates replacement so a contribution from him wasn't as important this year, will need him next year though.

I didn't think Franklin would have much left this year and he proved me wrong so i'll give him the benefit of the doubt. Thomas taking more reps from him should keep him serviceable for another while. I'd love to draft a young NT as it would complete the youth movement on the D-Line but its just not a big enough priority this off season.

I'd agree we're not set up for a 4-3 but a new coach will pick his scheme

Justin10 · 11-12-2012 07:04PM

Hold the horses there lads

Franklin was fantastic, didn't fit the 4-3 and back in what he is comfortable in. Garay has very little wear on his tyres. Just not playing because of Cam and Franklin. DT is not a worry for me at all.

WR no way is this anything to worry about this offseason. Meachem was been horrible but there has to be a reason, he didn't turn bad over night. Even without him Brown Flloyd and Alexander with Royal/Spurlock is a fine WR bunch.

TE ye we could maybe do something here, but not a major worry.
ILB is not a worry right now, we have been successful with Cooper :P Butler and Williams will do fine for the time being.

I just keep coming back to OLine and Corner. If Taylor can improve like Gilchrist and Wright I would be happy with that. I didn't like the Taylor pick at all, but it is what it is. If Jammer goes safety and we draft a decent Corner in the second that wouldn't be the worst thing.

Just want to remind people about Troutman and Molk. I only hear positive things about these two, real excitement that they can help our Oline.
Andy Levitre from the Bills in free agency would be a great signing would leave us to draft either a right or left tackle and then a corner in the second.

1st Tackle
2nd Defensive back (providing we sign a Olinemen in FA)
3rd Linebacker
4th WR
5th Oline
6th Dice on HB

Justin10 · 11-12-2012 07:06PM

OAOB wrote: »

I'd agree we're not set up for a 4-3 but a new coach will pick his scheme

I wouldn't think so, I think we will be going with a 3-4 guy.
Maybe a hybrid, personally I rather the 3-4

I would be curious to know what Clary is owed guaranteed this year and what the cap penalty would be if we cut him

OAOB · 11-12-2012 08:31PM

Rochey18 wrote: »

Hold the horses there lads

Franklin was fantastic, didn't fit the 4-3 and back in what he is comfortable in. Garay has very little wear on his tyres. Just not playing because of Cam and Franklin. DT is not a worry for me at all.

WR no way is this anything to worry about this offseason. Meachem was been horrible but there has to be a reason, he didn't turn bad over night. Even without him Brown Flloyd and Alexander with Royal/Spurlock is a fine WR bunch.

TE ye we could maybe do something here, but not a major worry.
ILB is not a worry right now, we have been successful with Cooper :P Butler and Williams will do fine for the time being.

I just keep coming back to OLine and Corner. If Taylor can improve like Gilchrist and Wright I would be happy with that. I didn't like the Taylor pick at all, but it is what it is. If Jammer goes safety and we draft a decent Corner in the second that wouldn't be the worst thing.

Just want to remind people about Troutman and Molk. I only hear positive things about these two, real excitement that they can help our Oline.
Andy Levitre from the Bills in free agency would be a great signing would leave us to draft either a right or left tackle and then a corner in the second.

1st Tackle
2nd Defensive back (providing we sign a Olinemen in FA)
3rd Linebacker
4th WR
5th Oline
6th Dice on HB

Problem with NT and LB is we have to get younger, ideally we would be drafting a player now to learn behind some veterans.

I forget about Troutman but he was drafted as a player with a high ceiling but needed a lot of work to maximise potential, not sure how much we can hope from him next year.

Don't know do you read bolts from the blue but they were talking about potentially kicking Clary inside to guard, his strength and lack of foot speed suits the position much better but he's about 4inches above the ideal height. Not saying its a great idea but definitely an interesting one.

I hope if we're firing and hiring we do it quick after the season, need our GM in place to assess the current roster and what he wants to do in FA. Also some players need contract extensions.

Leslie91 · 12-12-2012 11:16AM

OAOB wrote: »

Problem with NT and LB is we have to get younger, ideally we would be drafting a player now to learn behind some veterans.

I forget about Troutman but he was drafted as a player with a high ceiling but needed a lot of work to maximise potential, not sure how much we can hope from him next year.

Don't know do you read bolts from the blue but they were talking about potentially kicking Clary inside to guard, his strength and lack of foot speed suits the position much better but he's about 4inches above the ideal height. Not saying its a great idea but definitely an interesting one.

I hope if we're firing and hiring we do it quick after the season, need our GM in place to assess the current roster and what he wants to do in FA. Also some players need contract extensions.

Agree we so need to get younger at NT and ILB. Butler is a lock there for years but the other spot is up for grabs. And I'm not getting the love from Mouton!.

Yeah Troutman might be something but for me Molk might be too small. I think toolswise and attitudewise he is fine but his size goes against him. I'm done with Clary, kick him to the kerb else the bench. Wells in one game looked better than he did in 12.

OAOB · 12-12-2012 02:07PM

Leslie91 wrote: »

Agree we so need to get younger at NT and ILB. Butler is a lock there for years but the other spot is up for grabs. And I'm not getting the love from Mouton!.

Yeah Troutman might be something but for me Molk might be too small. I think toolswise and attitudewise he is fine but his size goes against him. I'm done with Clary, kick him to the kerb else the bench. Wells in one game looked better than he did in 12.

Clary has done fine in 1or2 games this year but he's not good enough. I'll reserve opinion on Wells until i've seen him in more than one game but either way i'd rather not see either of them on the roster next year.

Leslie91 · 12-12-2012 05:21PM

OAOB wrote: »

Clary has done fine in 1or2 games this year but he's not good enough. I'll reserve opinion on Wells until i've seen him in more than one game but either way i'd rather not see either of them on the roster next year.

Don't get me wrong I'm not anointing Wells yet but Clary is patently not up to it. He's a guy clearly very limited, doing his best but adios amigo.

Harris or even Haslam might be our future RT in the end.

Ronaldinho · 13-12-2012 06:32PM

Anybody else disappointed with Ingram's contribution this year? He's not playing as many downs as I thought he would but twenty tackles and half a sack is a bit lacklustre.

Molly · 13-12-2012 06:57PM

No not really, i'm disappointed they've consistently played shaun phillips though. He's been terrible. Ingram has made a couple of bad mistakes but I'm expecting really big things once the new regime is in

OAOB · 13-12-2012 07:34PM

Think we just have a huge expectation of rookies coming out now. He's played pretty solid but his most memorable plays are the penalties. He's been asked to be an all round OLB instead of just a pass rusher, this will benefit us into the future. He's also been strong on STs

Justin10 · 13-12-2012 11:13PM

Ronaldinho wrote: »

Anybody else disappointed with Ingram's contribution this year? He's not playing as many downs as I thought he would but twenty tackles and half a sack is a bit lacklustre.

The amount of pressure he has got has been top notch. Not getting the sacks but that can be worked on. Getting pressure is hardest thing to do and he is doing it every time he is in there.

Leslie91 · 14-12-2012 11:32AM

Ronaldinho wrote: »

Anybody else disappointed with Ingram's contribution this year? He's not playing as many downs as I thought he would but twenty tackles and half a sack is a bit lacklustre.

I guess I expected more from him but overall I think he'll be a fine player. Obviously not the smartest tool in the box which is always a worry, hopefully his physical abilities will come thru year 2.

Justin10 · 16-12-2012 08:48PM

Supposedly there are rumours in San Diego that Bruce Arians is one of top candidatures for the head coaching job.

Doing a great job with Indy, but more I think of it more I think Pagano will be head coach.

Leslie91 · 17-12-2012 11:56AM

So much for the win against Pitt, back to norvality yesterday. The supreme O coordinator was at his best, with our worst O net yardage tally since 2003. Jeeez Dean put us out of our misery please.... Apart from the disaster that was yesterdays embarassment at the Q I found the below tidbit..... So in the end AJ pulled the offer to Tolbert, amazing it took until yesterday for this news to come out, kinda sums AJ up, not a decent/fair individual to deal with, off with his head;

The Chargers offered Tolbert $1 million more than the Panthers did over
the life of a four-year deal. Tolbert said after signing with Carolina
that he chose to go home, nearer not only to his family but also where
the cost of living made losing $250,000 a year a virtual draw. But he
said Sunday his desire to stay in San Diego was thwarted when his agent
called to accept the Chargers’ offer, only to be told it had been
pulled. The Chargers’ contention has always been the deal was not
accepted within the time frame they had established.

Regardless, there is a trend, and its results are not flattering to the
Chargers.

“I had a bad taste in my mouth about leaving,” Tolbert said. “I wanted
to stay … I’ve been looking forward to this game. I’ve been trying to
control myself for three days.”

OAOB · 17-12-2012 02:33PM

It looks like the players have settled for beating the Steelers as their end of season, passionless performce but i don't blame the players. Everyone (fans, players, staff) involved is so totally disillusioned now we just need to get this season over with, its depressing.
I'm at the point where i'm just numbed by it all, i didn't mind how bad we were yesterday.
On a side note i always liked Tolbert so good for him to play well yesterday. Letting him leave SD wasn't a terrible decision, not adequately replacing him was

Leslie91 · 17-12-2012 03:09PM

OAOB wrote: »

It looks like the players have settled for beating the Steelers as their end of season, passionless performce but i don't blame the players. Everyone (fans, players, staff) involved is so totally disillusioned now we just need to get this season over with, its depressing.
I'm at the point where i'm just numbed by it all, i didn't mind how bad we were yesterday.
On a side note i always liked Tolbert so good for him to play well yesterday. Letting him leave SD wasn't a terrible decision, not adequately replacing him was

I'm the same. Gave up on the game in the 3rd quarter and hit the hay. I never did that before. We're a shambles, a total embarrassment at this stage. As for Yogi it's not like he was a superstar but he knew how to find the ez unlike the backs we have now. Having said that the personnel and playcalling in goal to go situations has certainly not done the backs any favours.

AJ and Norv should be canned today. Who cares about nobody to call the plays?, it's not like Norv was doing the job anyway. Have Philip call the plays and Charlie play QB FFS. Cannot be any worse.

Molly · 18-12-2012 10:41AM

Boltbeat are putting up an interview with Acee where apparently he alludes to cutting Gaither and keeping Meachem next year.

OAOB · 18-12-2012 11:50AM

Molly wrote: »

Boltbeat are putting up an interview with Acee where apparently he alludes to cutting Gaither and keeping Meachem next year.

Think Gaither is due 6.5m if we keep him and 6m if we cut him, not much saving but i'd rather him gone, we're trying to build a team and he's not a team player.
Not sure about Meachems contract, he hasn't performed at all but at least he seemed to care. If we're keeping him i'd hope we're cutting Royal at least, can't keep paying 2 unproductive receivers. I'd cut both and bring in a string of WRs for try outs, hopefully find another Alexander

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