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Pacquiao v Mayweather

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  • #452
    Ghost.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 257 ✭✭Ghost.


    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Ghost. viewpost.gif
    Id agree with that.

    You'd be wrong!


    Id be right.

    The same way Khan would cause trouble for Floyd, it would be the same with De La Hoya fighting him but with a far better chin.
    It would be a bad fight for Mayweather. Just my opinion.

    As for Manny, I think his speed more that his strength would be what could cause Floyd bother. As I said Floyd looks less impressive when fighting fighters who he doesnt have a hugh advantage in speed over.


  • #453
    cowzerp
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,549 ✭✭✭✭cowzerp


    Ghost. wrote: »
    Id be right.

    The same way Khan would cause trouble for Floyd, it would be the same with De La Hoya fighting him but with a far better chin.
    It would be a bad fight for Mayweather. Just my opinion.

    As for Manny, I think his speed more that his strength would be what could cause Floyd bother. As I said Floyd looks less impressive when fighting fighters who he doesnt have a hugh advantage in speed over.

    Floyd is faster than Manny, I don't know where you see Manny with this speed!!
    plus with Manny's habit of jumping in with attacks he would get battered by floyds right hand.

    Rush Boxing club and Rush Martial Arts head coach.



  • #454
    Ghost.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 257 ✭✭Ghost.


    Ya, he has that nasty habit of jumping in at times. But it has worked for him so far barr that one time it worked out really really bad for him with Marquez and he went for a nighty night snoozey snooze. I wouldnt think he will get caught like that again.
    Floyd is faster than Manny, I don't know where you see Manny with this speed!!
    Pacquiao isnt fast!!! We must be on about two different Manny Pacquiaos, because that lad from the phillippines is plenty fast and it has been a big factor in his success in the sport. Sure his speed may be on the slide but so is Mayweathers. Cotto showed a bit of that & chinks in his armour.
    he would get battered by floyds right hand.
    Maybe, but I dont see MP just going in there and following Mayweathers script. I might be wrong. If they fight make sure to tell me you told me so:D


  • #455
    willmunny1990
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,432 ✭✭✭willmunny1990


    Tucker.Tim wrote: »
    do you expect anyone to take you seriously when your response to someone is that's nonsense? :rolleyes:

    to the others:

    i'm sorry if i've wrecked the floyd love-in but pressure is the one thing that works on mayweather and manny's game is perfect for counter-acting mayweather. he gets inside mayweather even once and floyd will be getting the biggest battering of his life.

    To be fair it was nonsense.

    I don't think it's a Floyd love-in it's just people are being realistic.

    Manny's defense isn't near good enough and with Floyd's speed and accuracy i think it's an easy win on points or KO for Floyd.

    Manny struggles against counter punchers and Mayweather is the master of this. Mayweather is an extremely intelligent fighter which would be a nightmare for Manny.

    Manny could pressure him all night long it doesn't matter, Mayweathers defense, accuracy and size would all be to much for Pac-Man.


  • #456
    otto_26
    Registered Users Posts: 518 ✭✭✭otto_26


    Manny Pacquiao has by far the better opponents on his CV than Mayweather...WAY BETTER..

    Where was Mayweather 6 years ago why wasn't he fighting Marquez then??

    Why didn't he fight Barrera?
    Why didn't he fight Morales?
    Why didn't he fight Pacquiao after the De La Hoya fight?


    It's great having a unbeaten record but surely not fighting the best fighters of your time kinda takes away from that record...

    Is he going to fight Danny García?? I defo think not!


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  • #457
    walshb
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 56,925 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    otto_26 wrote: »
    Manny Pacquiao has by far the better opponents on his CV than Mayweather...WAY BETTER..

    Where was Mayweather 6 years ago why wasn't he fighting Marquez then??

    Why didn't he fight Barrera?
    Why didn't he fight Morales?
    Why didn't he fight Pacquiao after the De La Hoya fight?
    Is he going to fight Danny García I defo think not!

    It's great having a unbeaten record but surely not fighting the best fighters of your time kinda takes away from that record...

    Seriously, run a time-line check on those names, weights etc. Floyd was never on their radar and had he been he would have beaten Morales and MAB comfortably.

    BTW, what is Garcia to do with anything?


  • #458
    Hannibal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,819 ✭✭✭Hannibal


    otto_26 wrote: »
    Manny Pacquiao has by far the better opponents on his CV than Mayweather...WAY BETTER..

    Where was Mayweather 6 years ago why wasn't he fighting Marquez then??

    Why didn't he fight Barrera?
    Why didn't he fight Morales?
    Why didn't he fight Pacquiao after the De La Hoya fight?


    It's great having a unbeaten record but surely not fighting the best fighters of your time kinda takes away from that record...

    Is he going to fight Danny García?? I defo think not!
    Barrera was never in the same weight class as Mayweather, Barrera stayed in 130 for most of his career. Mayweather has been at 140 and onto 146 since 2004. The same with Morales, they're operating at lower weight classes than Mayweather.
    When Mayweather fought De La Hoya in 2007 he weighed 150, Pacquiao fought Barrera five months later and Marquez ten months later weighing 130 so there was a massive 20 pound difference them in 2007 hence why I doubt it would've been on the cards


  • #459
    otto_26
    Registered Users Posts: 518 ✭✭✭otto_26


    walshb wrote: »
    Seriously, run a time-line check on those names, weights etc. Floyd was never on their radar and had he been he would have beaten Morales and MAB comfortably.

    BTW, what is Garcia to do with anything?

    Floyd was never on their radar!!! Id say they were never on his!! I know well why he never fought them.. And the most important think to remember is he didn't fight them so saying he would have beaten them means absolutely nothing...

    Garcia is a unbeaten professional boxer.


  • #460
    walshb
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 56,925 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    otto_26 wrote: »
    Floyd was never on their radar!!! Id say they were never on his!! I know well why he never fought them.. And the most important think to remember is he didn't fight them so saying he would have beaten them means absolutely nothing...

    Garcia is a unbeaten professional boxer.

    Well, say all you want but it doesn't change the actual facts that Dotsey has pointed out. Your fights with MAB and Erik can only be fantasy fights. They could not have been made in reality.


  • #461
    otto_26
    Registered Users Posts: 518 ✭✭✭otto_26


    walshb wrote: »
    Well, say all you want but it doesn't change the actual facts that Dotsey has pointed out. Your fights with MAB and Erik can only be fantasy fights. They could not have been made in reality.

    Well, say all you want but it doesn't change the actual facts Manny Pacquiao's CV has the bigger names.


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  • #462
    cowzerp
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,549 ✭✭✭✭cowzerp


    otto_26 wrote: »
    Well, say all you want but it doesn't change the actual facts Manny Pacquiao's CV has the bigger names.

    and losses!! HE'S BEEN KO'D 3 Times and beat on points 2 more times, add Marquez other 3 potential wins and it could be 8 losses!!

    Rush Boxing club and Rush Martial Arts head coach.



  • #463
    walshb
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 56,925 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    otto_26 wrote: »
    Well, say all you want but it doesn't change the actual facts Manny Pacquiao's CV has the bigger names.

    That is something we can debate; your other points about MAB and Erik were off the mark.


  • #464
    otto_26
    Registered Users Posts: 518 ✭✭✭otto_26


    cowzerp wrote: »
    and losses!! HE'S BEEN KO'D 3 Times and beat on points 2 more times, add Marquez other 3 potential wins and it could be 8 losses!!

    Ha Ha real desperation here OK Manny lost 8 times! But still doesn't take away from the FACTS he has the bigger names on his CV.

    A real Floyd fan here!! Any name I mention Floyd would beat and any win Manny had is a loss!! = Floyd the best!!

    It doesn't matter on the quality of opposition it's all about 0 losses :rolleyes:

    Hey do you think Floyd will call Marquez out for a fight? I think not!!

    Hey do you think Floyd will call Danny Garcia out for a fight? I think not!!


  • #465
    Hannibal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,819 ✭✭✭Hannibal


    otto_26 wrote: »
    Well, say all you want but it doesn't change the actual facts Manny Pacquiao's CV has the bigger names.
    Pacquiao's CV also has a draw and a defeat to Marquez and a loss to Morales which are facts

    Mayweather has.. Coralles, Castillo, Gatti, De La Hoya, Hatton, Marquez, Mosley, Cotto
    Pacquiao has.. Morales, Barrera, Marquez, De La Hoya, Hatton, Mosley, Cotto so a similar list of names on both CV's

    Mayweather fought De La Hoya with DLH at 154 whereas Pac brought him down to 145 which is a weight DLH hadn't been at in over 10 years.

    Its a similar story with Hatton, Mosley and Cotto all fighting Pac at "catch weights". Marquez looked washed up against Mayweather and didn't win a round yet goes on to by all accounts beat Pac on points and then knock him out at the age of 39 which I think tells it's own tale. And Mayweather's victory against Marquez was so one sided there's no hope he would bother to fight him again


  • #466
    walshb
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 56,925 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    otto_26 wrote: »
    Hey do you think Floyd will call Danny Garcia out for a fight? I think not!!

    That's twice now you have mentioned Garcia. I am beginning to think that maybe you haven't seen much of Floyd. What sort of threat would a 140 lb Garcia be to PBF?


  • #467
    walshb
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 56,925 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Oh, and at 147 Floyd would give Juan a heaver defeat today than what he gave him at the end of 2009.


  • #468
    otto_26
    Registered Users Posts: 518 ✭✭✭otto_26


    Dotsey wrote: »
    Pacquiao's CV also has a draw and a defeat to Marquez and a loss to Morales which are facts

    Mayweather has.. Coralles, Castillo, Gatti, De La Hoya, Hatton, Marquez, Mosley, Cotto
    Pacquiao has.. Morales, Barrera, Marquez, De La Hoya, Hatton, Mosley, Cotto so a similar list of names on both CV's

    Similar but Manny still has the bigger names on his CV and did a better job on ALL the same opponents as Mayweather kinda says it all really!!
    Dotsey wrote: »
    Mayweather fought De La Hoya with DLH at 154 whereas Pac brought him down to 145 which is a weight DLH hadn't been at in over 10 years.

    A true Floyd fan!!! you conveniently left out that Manny had to come up 2 weight classes and fight for the first time at welterweight while DLH dropped one weight class for the fight!!!!
    Dotsey wrote: »
    Its a similar story with Hatton, Mosley and Cotto all fighting Pac at "catch weights". Marquez looked washed up against Mayweather and didn't win a round yet goes on to by all accounts beat Pac on points and then knock him out at the age of 39 which I think tells it's own tale. And Mayweather's victory against Marquez was so one sided there's no hope he would bother to fight him again

    This is actually getting pathetic why do Floyd fans feel the need to claim something wrong with every fight Manny has won!!

    What are you talking about what "catch weight" your ridiculous completely ridiculous!

    1. Hatton best at 140 pounds weight he fought Manny at!!!!!!!
    2. Mosley fought both Manny and Floyd at 145 pounds!!!!!!!!
    3. Manny came up to 144 from 140 to fight Cotto while cotto dropped to 145 from 150!!!

    So Hatton was caught at a "catch weight" to fight floyd!! but of course Floyd does no wrong pure rubbish talk just can not accept how good Manny really is just excuses after excuses!


  • #469
    Halloween Jack
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,658 ✭✭✭Halloween Jack


    walshb wrote: »
    Oh, and at 147 Floyd would give Juan a heaver defeat today than what he gave him at the end of 2009.

    Watched that bout again recently, Marquez was no 3 on the p4p lists at the time floyd at 1, but you never would have known it, floyd made a guy like Marquez look like a rank amateur. It was almost embarrassing how early he saw Juan's shots and how easy he slipped them and countered,.....


  • #470
    otto_26
    Registered Users Posts: 518 ✭✭✭otto_26


    Halloween Jack wrote: »
    Watched that bout again recently, Marquez was no 3 on the p4p lists at the time floyd at 1, but you never would have known it, floyd made a guy like Marquez look like a rank amateur. It was almost embarrassing how early he saw Juan's shots and how easy he slipped them and countered,.....

    Ha Ha this is so funny how many fighters has manny fought that Floyd fought? and how many of these did Manny do a better job on??

    Yet you only want to talk about the one that Floyd did better with and then suggest because he did a better job on Marquez than manny then this confirms he is better than Manny....

    Of course forgetting all the fighters Manny did a better job on!!!!!!!!!! HA HA


  • #471
    Halloween Jack
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,658 ✭✭✭Halloween Jack


    I wasn't referring to your post, and I didn't mention anything to do with either fighter's record, my post was soley referencing the mayweather Marquez fight, as an aside almost. Quite why you felt the need to jump down my throat about floyd and manny's respective records is anyone's guess.

    This has been a decent debate today, discussed reasonably and respectfully without resort to the rabid fanboy stuff this issue frequently inspires.

    Then you show up, foaming at the mouth, erroneously describing your opinions as facts and accusing everybody else of bias toward mayweather.


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  • #472
    darced
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  • #473
    Frank Bullitt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,259 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt


    Comparing the opponent that both Pac and Mayweather have fought, it's comparing apples and oranges I am afraid.

    It's not as simple as just saying Manny did a better job, you are talking about fighters so finely balanced that a marginal weight difference in their body will have a ver large influence on their performance.


  • #474
    otto_26
    Registered Users Posts: 518 ✭✭✭otto_26


    Halloween Jack wrote: »
    jump down my throat about floyd and manny's respective records is anyone's guess.

    Jump down your throat! bit sensitive aren't you!
    Halloween Jack wrote: »
    This has been a decent debate today, discussed reasonably and respectfully without resort to the rabid fanboy stuff this issue frequently inspires.

    Think I made some reasonable facts and opinion for debate? :rolleyes:
    Halloween Jack wrote: »
    Then you show up, foaming at the mouth, erroneously describing your opinions as facts and accusing everybody else of bias toward mayweather.

    Instead of foaming at the mouth, erroneously describing my opinions and facts maybe you should take a leaf out of your own book and try to have a decent debate discussed reasonably and respectfully without resorting to vile personal comments at other posters. ;)


  • #475
    otto_26
    Registered Users Posts: 518 ✭✭✭otto_26


    Gintonious wrote: »
    Comparing the opponent that both Pac and Mayweather have fought, it's comparing apples and oranges I am afraid.

    It's not as simple as just saying Manny did a better job, you are talking about fighters so finely balanced that a marginal weight difference in their body will have a ver large influence on their performance.

    I agree 100% well said


  • #476
    Halloween Jack
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,658 ✭✭✭Halloween Jack


    otto_26 wrote: »
    I agree 100% well said

    You do realise he pretty much disagreed with everything you said previously?


  • #477
    colly10
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,009 ✭✭✭colly10


    otto_26 wrote:
    3. Manny came up to 144 from 140 to fight Cotto while cotto dropped to 145 from 150!!! !

    Cotto came from 147 but weighed 146 in the previous fight


  • #478
    Ghost.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 257 ✭✭Ghost.


    Of course forgetting all the fighters Manny did a better job on!!!!!!!!!! HA HA
    Thats a valid point that Manny did a much better job on some of the same opponents as Floyd, but I think that shouldnt be taken as a direct measure that he is superior to Floyd in any way.
    In the same way his Ko by Marquez doesnt necessarily mean Floyd would get the same result just because Mayweather made Marquez look bad. If that were the case we could argue Manny is 5 times better than Floyd because he stopped Hatton in 2 and it took Floyd 10. Some of their styles just suited Manny better. Floyds style would not suit Manny thats what makes the prospect of a fight so interesting.

    I dont think any of the fighters mentioned were at a disadvantage because of any catch weights bar De La Hoya who screwed up his cutting weight and payed the price against Manny. They know their bodies and none of them would have agreed to a weight if it put them at a disadvantage.

    As for suggestion that Manny had 8 losses, thats just ridiculous blind Manny hate. If thats the case well then surely then it would be argued Mayweather lost to De La Hoya. Neither of which is true, no matter how close they were.


  • #479
    supackofidiots
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 187 ✭✭supackofidiots


    Lads just a few points to make:

    - a few non-regular posters here making fairly absurd claims about floyd and manny, Ghost and Otto in particular. Listen if you don't like Floyd fair enough, but you're arguing weak points against the wrong posters. The posters here are fairly knowledgeable about the sport of boxing and some of the stuff you lads have posted is ignorant at best, and trolling at worst. Saying Floyd should call out Danny Garcia is laughable. Making comments about Floyd dodging morales and barrera is ignorant.

    - Bren (walshb) is a big pacquiao fan, and certainly not a Floyd fanboy so accusing him of that is just silly. I've had many a debate with him about Floyd, and I can assure you the last thing he is is a Mayweather fanboy/nuthugger/plumsucker.

    - Ghost, any connection to Robert Guerrero? Judging some of your posts I'm beginning to wonder if you're his brother/mother/relative trying to rouse up interest in a Mayweather payday.

    - It's fact that if they fought now Floyd would embarrass Manny. If they fought in 2009/2010 Floyd would have won but it would be more competitive. At this point in time, the only fight for Floyd that makes sense is Canelo. Floyd won't fight Pacquaio, and at this stage I honestly couldn't care. Put a fork in the Pacman, he is done, dusted, a shell of a man.

    Finally, some posters here should be aware of the old adage, "Only the spoon knows what is in the pot".


  • #480
    Yurt
    Registered Users Posts: 406 ✭✭Yurt


    This is one of my first posts on this forum.I love boxing but i definitely wouldn't be as knowledgeable on the sport as many on here.From where i can see in there recent fights is Pacquio has declined as a boxer in the last few years.He used to rely heavily on his unbelievable physique as opposed to his natural talent.

    Mayweather still looks in top shape but he always relied on his boxing technique.It looks like you lose your physique much quicker than you lose your boxing skills.

    I think Pacquiao would have taken Mayweather 3 years ago but today he wouldn't even come close.

    *Hides and waits for response...


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  • #481
    gene_tunney
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    supackofidiots wrote: »
    Put a fork in the Pacman, he is done, dusted, a shell of a man.

    He has had an amazing career. Fighter of the decade, shook up boxing, climbed the divisions like it was nothing. lol @ people criticising him. At a tiny 5'6 he took on everyone. Never ducked or dodged a fight in his life. A true warrior. And I don't think he's done yet.

    I think a lot of people started watching boxing because of Pac. The beatings he gave Cotto and Margo were simply shocking. Still in shock to this day when I watch those fights. Amazing for a fighter who started his pro career as a tiny, skeletonised boy.

    3 fights against Morales, 4 against Marquez, 2 against Barrera, amazing beatings of Cotto, Margo, Hatton and the comparatively huge Mosley. He has contributed so much to boxing it's hard to slate him. Amazing fighter who never ducked anyone.


  • #482
    supackofidiots
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 187 ✭✭supackofidiots


    Yurt wrote: »
    He used to rely heavily on his unbelievable physique as opposed to his natural talent.

    Stopped reading here.

    Stick to the soccer forum mate.

    I'm kidding of course, welcome to the forums and all that jazz. The most important thing here is to think before you post. ;)


  • #483
    supackofidiots
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 187 ✭✭supackofidiots


    gene_tunney wrote: »
    At a tiny 5'6 he took on everyone.

    Sure it doesn't matter how tall or how strong they are, when they're drip drained dry they all stand there like skeletal punching bags. I'd beat the bollox out of Mayweather too if I waved onions in front of him and made him cry just to squeeze the last few drops of fluid out of him


  • #484
    gene_tunney
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    Pacquiao will be recognised as a true great in times to come. Amazing career.


  • #485
    walshb
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    I think far too much is being made about Cotto and Magarito being drip drained. Margarito was allowed fight at 150 lbs. He had almost 20 lbs on Manny on fight night.

    Margarito fought Mosley at 147. He boxed Cotto a while back and was 152 lbs. Cotto came in at 145 lbs. A lb here or there. He was dominated. It wasn't close. Yes, Oscar was drained. But let's not to make out that Manny drip drained the other two.

    BTW, I am as much a Floyd Fan as a Many fan. Both are exceptional talents.


  • #486
    gene_tunney
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,325 ✭✭✭gene_tunney


    walshb wrote: »
    I think far too much is being made about Cotto and Magarito being drip drained. Margarito was allowed fight at 150 lbs. He had almost 20 lbs on Manny on fight night.

    Margarito fought Mosley at 147. He boxed Cotto a while back and was 152 lbs. Cotto came in at 145 lbs. A lb here or there. He was dominated. It wasn't close. Yes, Oscar was drained. But let's not to make out that Manny droip drained the other two.

    BTW, I am as much a Floyd Fan as a Many fan. Both are exceptional talents.

    Same. I like them equally and appreciate them in different ways.


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  • #487
    Ghost.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 257 ✭✭Ghost.


    - a few non-regular posters here making fairly absurd claims about floyd and manny, Ghost and Otto in particular. Listen if you don't like Floyd fair enough, but you're arguing weak points against the wrong posters. The posters here are fairly knowledgeable about the sport of boxing and some of the stuff you lads have posted is ignorant at best, and trolling at worst.

    Im only voicing my opinion which Im entitled to do on the forum, regular poster or not. I call it how I see it and other 'regular posters' have argued me wrong. Whats wrong with that? If everyone worshipped Mayweather like you do and thought him invincible there would be no point to this forum, or any of the mentioned fighters even fighting him. He is an all time great, but a lot of people do think he is beatable and thats why we are here. Sorry if thats upsetting for you.
    And the only person posting here who I would consider a troll is you. Everyone else makes sense even if you agree with them or not.
    - Ghost, any connection to Robert Guerrero? Judging some of your posts I'm beginning to wonder if you're his brother/mother/relative trying to rouse up interest in a Mayweather payday.

    No just to put your mind at ease Im not related or trying to rouse up interest in a Manny Mayweather payday.Your poor judgement of peoples posts and fighters ability is nothing new from the looks of things. I couldnt give a toss which of them wins if it happens. Im intersted in boxing and thats a fight Id like to see thats why Im posting on this forum. If you arent interested in it why are you here?
    Yes there are plenty of very knowledgeable posters here whos opinions I respect even if I dont 100% agree with. However you are definitely not in that group.


  • #488
    walshb
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 56,925 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    I happen to think Ghost's posts are fair, honest and balanced. Not everyone will always agree. Isn't that what makes debates interesting.

    My motto. No need to denigrate one fighter in order to praise another. Just stick to the facts, and give a fair and honest opinion on subjective matters.

    Examples:

    Fact: Mayweather was never on MABs radar.

    Subjective: Cotto's 2009 performance was hampered by having to make 145 lbs.


  • #489
    cowzerp
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,549 ✭✭✭✭cowzerp


    Lads any more troll talk and the ban hammer will be coming out, this forum is known for mature debate so lets keep it that way and report posters if you think their trolling.

    Rush Boxing club and Rush Martial Arts head coach.



  • #490
    otto_26
    Registered Users Posts: 518 ✭✭✭otto_26


    @walshb;82253546

    I happen to think my posts are fair, honest and balanced. Not everyone will always agree. Isn't that what makes debates interesting.

    My motto. No need to denigrate one fighter in order to praise another. Just stick to the facts, and give a fair and honest opinion on subjective matters.

    Examples:

    Fact: Manny Pacquiao has beaten the bigger names on his CV than Mayweather

    Subjective: Hatton's 2009 performance was hampered by having to make 145 lbs against Mayweather very unfair of Mayweather to make Hatton the smaller man fight at 145 Ibs.

    ;)


  • #491
    otto_26
    Registered Users Posts: 518 ✭✭✭otto_26


    supackofidiots wrote: »
    Lads just a few points to make:

    - a few non-regular posters here making fairly absurd claims about floyd and manny, Ghost and Otto in particular. Listen if you don't like Floyd fair enough, but you're arguing weak points against the wrong posters. The posters here are fairly knowledgeable about the sport of boxing and some of the stuff you lads have posted is ignorant at best, and trolling at worst. Saying Floyd should call out Danny Garcia is laughable. Making comments about Floyd dodging morales and barrera is ignorant.

    Fair enough on Garcia! but it's fact Manny jumped up 2 weight classes and DLH dropped one so they could fight.... So now, how am my claims Floyd dodged morales and barrera ignorant?? I think its a fair point to bring up they were 2 of the best fighters at that time and Floyd prides himself on being the best...
    supackofidiots wrote: »
    It's fact that if they fought now Floyd would embarrass Manny. If they fought in 2009/2010 Floyd would have won.

    Ha Ha how can opinion be FACTS!!! the only poster on here who seems to be making ignorant claims is yourself!
    supackofidiots wrote: »
    Finally, some posters here should be aware of the old adage, "Only the spoon knows what is in the pot".

    Says the poster who has been to the future and watched Pacquiao v Mayweather :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:


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  • #492
    Dick phelan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,570 ✭✭✭Dick phelan


    In terms of p4p as in moving up in weight class not necciseraly how good but in terms of moving up in weights manny is in my view top 3 of all time along with Armstrong and Jones JR


  • #493
    walshb
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 56,925 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    otto_26 wrote: »
    @Subjective: Hatton's 2009 performance was hampered by having to make 145 lbs against Mayweather very unfair of Mayweather to make Hatton the smaller man fight at 145 Ibs.

    ;)

    Your opinions may be honest, but they are very misguided. Hatton was allowed make weight up to 147 lbs. He came in at 145 lbs. Mayweather had ZERO to do with this. Mayweather did NOT make Hatton come in at 145 lbs. This has nothing to do with subjectivity. It's fact!


  • #494
    getuponthis
    Registered Users Posts: 202 ✭✭getuponthis


    Will this debate ever end? Just can't ever see it happening at this stage.
    I like mayweather and pacquiao both as fighters but I can't stand floyd as a person, his arrogance and all this "money team" rubbish is cringe worthy.
    If floyd carried himself the way manny does in the media he would be loved by alot more people!


  • #495
    walshb
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    Really, completely unbiased and impartial:

    Who was the real blame for the fight not happening?

    I have to go with PBF. And the main reason or obstacle was the drugs testing.

    Funny thing is, Floyd beats Manny either way. Why the call for tests? He must have had some fear of losing.


  • #496
    Littlehorny
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,351 ✭✭✭Littlehorny


    This is an inerview Pacquiao gave on American tv about Mayweather fight, while he was doing promotion for his fight with Marquez.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-L5IT_9AsoE


  • #497
    3ndahalfof6
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,184 ✭✭✭3ndahalfof6


    Littlehorny wrote: »
    This is an inerview Pacquiao gave on American tv about Mayweather fight, while he was doing promotion for his fight with Marquez.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-L5IT_9AsoE

    It looked like a weigh in without the fighters, very set up me thinks.


  • #498
    otto_26
    Registered Users Posts: 518 ✭✭✭otto_26


    walshb wrote: »
    Your opinions may be honest, but they are very misguided. Hatton was allowed make weight up to 147 lbs. He came in at 145 lbs. Mayweather had ZERO to do with this. Mayweather did NOT make Hatton come in at 145 lbs. This has nothing to do with subjectivity. It's fact!

    That's my point it benefits the bigger man (Floyd) the heavier they go!!!!!!

    Why not fight at 140lbs oh wait that would not have benefited someone!!


  • #499
    walshb
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 56,925 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    otto_26 wrote: »
    That's my point it benefits the bigger man (Floyd) the heavier they go!!!!!!

    Why not fight at 140lbs oh wait that would not have benefited someone!!

    Well, if that was your point I don't think you were at all clear with it.

    As to 140 lbs? Well, Floyd had not been a LWW for a couple of years. He was now a WW. Hatton wanted this fight. Floyd accepted Hatton's challenge. What was Floyd to do? Starve himself to make 140 lbs?


  • #500
    walshb
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 56,925 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    It would be better if you simply said that Hatton was not a real WW and was not going to be a threat to Floyd. You are making it out as if Floyd engineered the fight to suit himself. That is not what happened.


  • #501
    otto_26
    Registered Users Posts: 518 ✭✭✭otto_26


    walshb wrote: »
    It would be better if you simply said that Hatton was not a real WW and was not going to be a threat to Floyd. You are making it out as if Floyd engineered the fight to suit himself. That is not what happened.

    Not at all i'm simply suggesting:

    Hatton's 2009 performance was hampered by having to make 145 lbs against Mayweather very unfair of Mayweather to make Hatton the smaller man fight at 145 Ibs.


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