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DinoRex · 07-12-2012 01:57PM

It's really strange. There's a Zelda mini game in Nintendoland and the WiiMote motion controls actually work and aren't broken like they were in Skyward Sword. Don't know if the Wii U processes the motion controls better or if they've just got better at coding for the Wii Motion Plus but it makes a huge difference.

Myrddin · 07-12-2012 02:06PM

DinoRex wrote: »

It's really strange. There's a Zelda mini game in Nintendoland and the WiiMote motion controls actually work and aren't broken like they were in Skyward Sword. Don't know if the Wii U processes the motion controls better or if they've just got better at coding for the Wii Motion Plus but it makes a huge difference.

That may be, but its always going to be pad/stick/kb-m > motion controls. They're simply rubbish

Retr0gamer · 07-12-2012 02:11PM

I found the Wiimote and nunchuk combo to be a really great controller, very comfy and ergonomic. Well that's without the motion controls, they definitely sucked. Even in skyward Sword they let me down enough to annoy me. Wiimote makes a decent NES pad as well.

Myrddin · 07-12-2012 02:14PM

Retr0gamer wrote: »

I found the Wiimote and nunchuk combo to be a really great controller, very comfy and ergonomic. Well that's without the motion controls, they definitely sucked. Even in skyward Sword they let me down enough to annoy me. Wiimote makes a decent NES pad as well.

Granted it does make a semi-decent NES pad alternative, but thats about it. It's appalling for everything else I thought, it definitely ruined the enjoyment of some games for me, where I felt I'd have enjoyed them more with a traditional type control system. The Wii U pad looks far far better, its like the best of both worlds

johnny_ultimate · 07-12-2012 02:19PM

I also loved the Wiimote / Nunchuck combo, thought it worked beautifully in a lot of games. Something like Mario Galaxy, where the small little motion control flicks and shakes really added to the overall experience of playing. Or No More Heroes, where you had to 'answer' the demented phone calls.

Myrddin · 07-12-2012 02:33PM

johnny_ultimate wrote: »

I also loved the Wiimote / Nunchuck combo, thought it worked beautifully in a lot of games. Something like Mario Galaxy, where the small little motion control flicks and shakes really added to the overall experience of playing

Hmm, I found it gimmicky, & wouldn't say it added to the game in any way for me. Old fogeys eh :rolleyes:

Mr.Saturn · 07-12-2012 02:46PM

The Wiimote's greatest success was negating the need for a lightgun peripheral, yet still having one anyways, to considerable profit. I can say, in all honesty, at no point in HotD 2+3/Overkill/Ghost Squad/LA Machineguns/NY Blade did I feel the experience would've been improved by the double-hook bit of plastic.

I mean, there were some very pretty ones released, mostly 3rd party, instead of Nintendo's admittedly practical design, but I don't know how you can walk up to the counter of your local chain of choice, and not feel an awful dingo dropping somewhere between 10-20 plums on a glorified pound-shop toy.

Link's Crossbow Training benefits highly from it, I believe, as it steadies the reticle. So, there we go, your plank stats decrease by 0.2% in that case.

Myrddin · 07-12-2012 02:50PM

Mr.Saturn wrote: »

The Wiimote's greatest success was negating the need for a lightgun peripheral

Thats a valid point, it does have fantastic point & shoot type operatbility

Danonino. · 07-12-2012 03:03PM

Bought two gun 'cases' along with Dead Space extraction a long time ago. Was a fecking excellent two nights shooting

Retr0gamer · 07-12-2012 03:05PM

I find it absolutely pathetic as a lightgun. Since it works on the sensor bar it just isn't accurate at all. And since it's not accurate there's a cursor constantly on the screen, fine for Gunblade but anything else it absolutely ruins the game by making it too easy. For the harder shots in Lethal Enforcers and Time Crisis you could aim down the sights to be more accurate but you just can't do that with a wiimote.

Danonino. · 07-12-2012 03:23PM

I thought it worked pretty well, especially when the two gun cases were only 2 bucks each. Nowhere near as good as a 'real' lightgun for the reasons you mentioned but for the games I played (dead space, the Resi on rails shooters and House of the dead OK) all with cursors they were great fun. None of the games I played ever felt lightgun-like if that makes sense, they all felt like they were designed to use the wii-mote in a point a shoot way.... its hard to explain.
If you got a game already designed to work with a light-gun and then used the wii-mote it would be ****e alright, although Ghost squad was supposed to work really well.

Retr0gamer · 07-12-2012 03:27PM

I just feel without the challenge on the games designed to be lightgun games they just seem pointless. You might as well be playing them with a mouse.

Myrddin · 07-12-2012 03:48PM

Retr0gamer wrote: »

You might as well be playing them with a mouse.

Ah its nowhere near as bad as a mouse of such games, but tbh, I havn't played enough of them to judge properly.

Danonino. · 07-12-2012 05:25PM

Retr0gamer wrote: »

I just feel without the challenge on the games designed to be lightgun games they just seem pointless. You might as well be playing them with a mouse.

Yeah but the games designed with the wii-mote in mind they become challenging in different ways. Like instead of having to dismember one life sucking bad ass alien you have to dismember two...yay.

I hate to admit that I actually agree that it feels a little like using a mouse and keyboard.

Atavan-Halen · 07-12-2012 07:24PM

This looks really interesting

http://m.complex.com/video-games/2012/12/fan-made-pokemon-3d-is-a-first-person-pokemon-gold-and-silver

DinoRex · 07-12-2012 07:52PM

The point I was making is that the wii motuion plus remote I have which crap in Skyward Sword works brilliantly in Zelda mini game on the Wii U... I just can't figure out how they didn't get those controls working in Skyward Sword. The controls were a crushing disappointment for me in Skyward Sword.

80s Synth Pop · 08-12-2012 01:33AM

don't know if anyone from here had a n64 backup unit back in the day but if you did you will know about the underground cracking scene where coders broke the protection on some games that used special protection chips. Well one game never cracked was Banjo Tooie... until today, all these years later! Link here: http://www.64scener.com/
So that means the full N64 library is now playable on an everdrive/64drive. Prefer the v64 myself

johnny_ultimate · 08-12-2012 04:28AM

Dark Souls 2 announced, Mario Kart 8-player LAN achieved.

Tonight is the night to end all nights.

DinoRex · 08-12-2012 12:51PM

I'm enjoying the mystery of 'The Phantom Pain'

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nSfajBs2nyQ

johnny_ultimate · 08-12-2012 01:05PM

There was definitely something in the air last night:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jPTCyslJPB8

DinoRex · 08-12-2012 01:13PM

o1s1n · 08-12-2012 06:16PM

Dark Souls 2??????

:eek::eek::eek:

Best news I've heard all week!!!

CiDeRmAn · 08-12-2012 09:06PM

Yeah!
Now I get to die in a hundred different ways and fail epically all over again!
Woohoo!

DinoRex · 08-12-2012 11:13PM

Sonic Racing Transformed is amazing. The levels are all utterly insane but some how you're still able to keep track of it all.

Retr0gamer · 08-12-2012 11:26PM

Duken Nukem 64 shows of the true 'power' of the N64:

Atavan-Halen · 08-12-2012 11:29PM

I won a bottle of Morgan's at my staff Christmas party raffle.

They know me too well!

CiDeRmAn · 08-12-2012 11:42PM

Only one thing worse than that Duke game, and I don't like any of them btw, and that is those excremental 3 person shooters with the charmless oaf in, utter sh1te.
But I still had a mate try to convince they were worthy, but then he did play way too much Shadowman...

richymcdermott · 08-12-2012 11:48PM

phantasy star online 2 has being announced for vits in japan on 28th of February
as a F2p download.

I am still expecting a western release.

Retr0gamer · 09-12-2012 12:16AM

richymcdermott wrote: »

phantasy star online 2 has being announced for vits in japan on 28th of February
as a F2p download.

I am still expecting a western release.

I'd be happy even with a PC release. These days if something comes out in english on anything it's cause to celebrate.

DinoRex · 09-12-2012 01:24AM

Well this looks cool:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=61-OMrOxyso

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