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'Enough is Enough' - Lance Armstrong

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  • #2502
    wonderfullife
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,924 ✭✭✭wonderfullife


    No
    I suppose it will come as no surprise due to the arrogance of the man but it has been reported here: http://www.businessinsider.com/lance-armstrong-trying-to-settle-with-former-sponsor-2012-11 that Lances attorneys have attempted to settle the lawsuit with SCA Insurers and offered them $1 million!!! Which they laughed off (considering he owes them $11,000,000).


  • #2503
    Junior
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,218 ✭✭✭Junior


    Ha, who knew, the Picture Upload service Mobli that he used to post that image is part owned by ...... Armstrong ..


  • #2504
    Morrisseeee
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,146 ✭✭✭Morrisseeee


    No
    corny wrote: »
    Lance Armstrong has now totally separated himself from Livestrong

    The last cog in the 'con' wheel just fell off !!

    /ie. evidence that he gave two fcuks about anybody all along


  • #2505
    wonderfullife
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,924 ✭✭✭wonderfullife


    No
    would it be going too far to suggest his trolling pic would be similar to Bernie Madoff posing sitting on a pile of cash?!!


  • #2506
    Itziger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,017 ✭✭✭Itziger


    wonderfullife wrote: »
    would it be going too far to suggest his trolling pic would be similar to Bernie Madoff posing sitting on a pile of cash?!!

    I think when we look back, it'll be seen as the beginning of the end. A Nero fiddling while Rome ...... kinda thing.


  • #2507
    Leroy42
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,754 ✭✭✭✭Leroy42


    The beginning of the end? Surely that happened the moment the USADA released the report?


  • #2508
    happytramp
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,625 ✭✭✭happytramp


    No
    Walsh's new book out in time for Christmas. I'm liking the "it'll read like a detective thriller" line from the publishers.

    http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/david-walsh-to-release-armstrong-book-seven-deadly-sins


  • #2509
    C3PO
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,773 ✭✭✭C3PO


    happytramp wrote: »
    Walsh's new book out in time for Christmas. I'm liking the "it'll read like a detective thriller" line from the publishers.

    http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/david-walsh-to-release-armstrong-book-seven-deadly-sins

    Surely the least surprising bit of "news" for some time! Looking forward to it all the same!


  • #2510
    MPFG
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,606 ✭✭✭MPFG


    No
    Spoof on McQuaids proposed hotline for cyclists

    Quite like this esp the end

    http://soundcloud.com/velocast/uci-doping-hotline


  • #2511
    DeadMan1
    Registered Users Posts: 72 ✭✭DeadMan1


    No
    happytramp wrote: »
    Walsh's new book out in time for Christmas. I'm liking the "it'll read like a detective thriller" line from the publishers.

    http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/david-walsh-to-release-armstrong-book-seven-deadly-sins

    I'm sure to buy it, but do you reckon there'll be anything new in it?


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  • #2512
    hardCopy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,969 ✭✭✭hardCopy


    No
    DeadMan1 wrote: »
    I'm sure to buy it, but do you reckon there'll be anything new in it?

    It'd be interesting to see what Walsh went through in his pursuit of Lance. He might have a few more people on the record now that weren't before. It'll surely be a rush job though unless he's been sitting on it for a while.


  • #2513
    uberwolf
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,580 ✭✭✭uberwolf


    did half hear that one of our esteemed members will be on Newstalk this evening?


  • #2514
    Trojan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,413 ✭✭✭✭Trojan


    No
    uberwolf wrote: »
    did half hear that one of our esteemed members will be on Newstalk this evening?

    Herr-Doktor McGrane was on Off the Ball (around 7.38pm if that helps find it).

    Not sounding mad positive about the idea of getting a CI EGM, but hopeful about the UCI independent review.

    🎙️ The Recognized Authority Podcast



  • #2515
    2 Wheels Good
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,102 ✭✭✭2 Wheels Good


    No
    Action Bikes in the UK, book sale, Chasing Lance, Was: £8.99, Now: You choose the price
    Interesting to see how much people will pay :)


  • #2516
    catch.23
    Closed Accounts Posts: 152 ✭✭catch.23


    No
    2 Wheels Good wrote: »
    Action Bikes in the UK, book sale, Chasing Lance, Was: £8.99, Now: You choose the price
    Interesting to see how much people will pay :)

    The £1 delivery is too much tbh.


  • #2517
    drogdub
    Registered Users Posts: 487 ✭✭drogdub


    No
    Good stuff from Cadel

    http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/13306/Evans-comments-on-Armstrong-case-also-speaks-of-frustration-at-suspicion-hanging-over-riders.aspx?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+velonation_pro_cycling+%28Cycling+News+%26+Race+Results+%7C+VeloNation.com%29


  • #2518
    petethedrummer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,604 ✭✭✭petethedrummer


    No
    drogdub wrote: »
    Good stuff from Cadel

    http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/13306/Evans-comments-on-Armstrong-case-also-speaks-of-frustration-at-suspicion-hanging-over-riders.aspx?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+velonation_pro_cycling+%28Cycling+News+%26+Race+Results+%7C+VeloNation.com%29

    hmmmmmmmmmmm. is it?

    any rider who says anything other than "it was patently f**king obvious" is being economical with the truth.

    And any rider moaning about being under suspiscion after cycling turned some magical corner in 2006 is living in a dream world.


    If these lads are clean the need to say.
    1. Yeah it was obvious to anyone especially us riding against the chap that he was doped to the gills.
    2. Fair enough if you think we were still doped to the gills, given that the entire sport was awash with drugs.

    Anything other than that is mealy mouthed wishy washy doublespeak.


  • #2519
    12 sprocket
    Registered Users Posts: 382 ✭✭12 sprocket


    petethedrummer wrote: »

    hmmmmmmmmmmm. is it?

    any rider who says anything other than "it was patently f**king obvious" is being economical with the truth.

    And any rider moaning about being under suspiscion after cycling turned some magical corner in 2006 is living in a dream world.


    If these lads are clean the need to say.
    1. Yeah it was obvious to anyone especially us riding against the chap that he was doped to the gills.
    2. Fair enough if you think we were still doped to the gills, given that the entire sport was awash with drugs.

    Anything other than that is mealy mouthed wishy washy doublespeak.
    Pete are you sure that people can always tell if others are doping? I presume you race so have you ever thought people you were racing wiith were clearly doping?


  • #2520
    wonderfullife
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,924 ✭✭✭wonderfullife


    No
    petethedrummer wrote: »
    hmmmmmmmmmmm. is it?

    any rider who says anything other than "it was patently f**king obvious" is being economical with the truth.

    And any rider moaning about being under suspiscion after cycling turned some magical corner in 2006 is living in a dream world.


    If these lads are clean the need to say.
    1. Yeah it was obvious to anyone especially us riding against the chap that he was doped to the gills.
    2. Fair enough if you think we were still doped to the gills, given that the entire sport was awash with drugs.

    Anything other than that is mealy mouthed wishy washy doublespeak.

    i take your highlighted point but bare in mind Cadel was speaking broadly about Armstrongs team more so than the man himself. If he comes out and says they were all doped to the back teeth, he leaves himself open for lawsuits by any clean members of that team during that era. It might be a small number but it's still a risk.

    Even on boards.ie we can't as posters come on and accuse anybody of doping in the absence of a positive test. Which is quite right in one respect; it's not fair to have trial by internet or have aspersions cast upon people with no "proof". On the flip side it's that sort of logic and legal minefield which helped to enforce the Omerta over so many years. The fact people couldn't come out and publically voice suspicion or concerns about riders for fear of repercussions.

    Cadel still has to tread carefully with his comments. Nobody, including Wiggo, Cav etc has come out with a sweepingly obvious statement like the one you think they should give. I could almost guarantee they are thinking along the same lines as you though.


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  • #2521
    Beasty
    Administrators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 77,532 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Beasty


    No
    I would add that even if someone was pretty certain that someone else was doping, without irrefutable evidence it they would/will be taking risks exposing the individuals, as a doper could still successfully sue (as indeed Armstrong clearly did) - we are talking about a legal test that's typically "on the balance of probablilities" if someone sues for defamation, not "beyond reasonable doubt".


  • #2522
    MPFG
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,606 ✭✭✭MPFG


    No
    Maybe not the right place but

    http://www.tdwsport.com/en/imagedesk/image-details/id/182814

    I am intrigued by the body language .....team building ??/

    Looks like a stand off to me....
    Maybe Bertie read the article in the Indo ..."If you dope you only have yourself to blame"


  • #2523
    Morrisseeee
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,146 ✭✭✭Morrisseeee


    No
    ^^
    Nico: "Bonjour Bertie, conas ata tu ?"
    Bertie: "Ta may go mahh Nico, btw this is the rendezvous point for the 'steaks' "
    :pac:


  • #2524
    2 Wheels Good
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,102 ✭✭✭2 Wheels Good


    No
    Classy, French anti doping chief says Sarkozy forced him out of a job at Lance Armstrongs request link


  • #2525
    Lusk Doyle
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,365 ✭✭✭Lusk Doyle


    No
    MPFG wrote: »
    Maybe not the right place but

    http://www.tdwsport.com/en/imagedesk/image-details/id/182814

    I am intrigued by the body language .....team building ??/

    Looks like a stand off to me....
    Maybe Bertie read the article in the Indo ..."If you dope you only have yourself to blame"

    Body language? What exactly are you seeing there?


  • #2526
    MPFG
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,606 ✭✭✭MPFG


    No
    This is my interpretation of the body language
    There are certain aspect to the body language that speaks of discomfort and lack of trust
    There is the distance between them ….which suggests strangers…which is very unusual after 3 or 4 days of team building. There is the mirroring….Roche mirrors the way Contador is sitting …which you would expect as Roche is new and Contador is of higher status and Roche is deferring to the boss …but Contador does not reciprocate this gesture and leans back out of the situation
    Their faces are not turned to each other which suggests lack of any bond and Contador is looking into the distance …which suggests he would rather be somewhere else rather in this particular moment
    You could say that maybe Contador is shy or cagey of new members….but this is a team building /getting to know you exercise …..but I don’t think the body language reflects this aim…Of course they don’t have to be friends but this picture reflects a lack of any warmth or comfort in each others’ company…..


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  • #2527
    dave_o_brien
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,301 ✭✭✭dave_o_brien


    No
    MPFG wrote: »
    This is my interpretation of the body language
    There are certain aspect to the body language that speaks of discomfort and lack of trust
    There is the distance between them ….which suggests strangers…which is very unusual after 3 or 4 days of team building. There is the mirroring….Roche mirrors the way Contador is sitting …which you would expect as Roche is new and Contador is of higher status and Roche is deferring to the boss …but Contador does not reciprocate this gesture and leans back out of the situation
    Their faces are not turned to each other which suggests lack of any bond and Contador is looking into the distance …which suggests he would rather be somewhere else rather in this particular moment
    You could say that maybe Contador is shy or cagey of new members….but this is a team building /getting to know you exercise …..but I don’t think the body language reflects this aim…Of course they don’t have to be friends but this picture reflects a lack of any warmth or comfort in each others’ company…..

    Or maybe they're just sitting beside each other taking in the view, and then got awkward when someone shoved a camera in their direction and said "lads, giz a smile"?


  • #2528
    MPFG
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,606 ✭✭✭MPFG


    No
    dave_o_brien wrote: »
    Or maybe they're just sitting beside each other taking in the view, and then got awkward when someone shoved a camera in their direction and said "lads, giz a smile"?


    You may be right but can I refer you to the following video - the section , 2 minutes 30 sec to 3min 30 sec.....just saying !!!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwaHJj4DM2A&feature=fvwrel


  • #2529
    Lusk Doyle
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,365 ✭✭✭Lusk Doyle


    No
    MPFG wrote: »
    This is my interpretation of the body language
    There are certain aspect to the body language that speaks of discomfort and lack of trust
    There is the distance between them ….which suggests strangers…which is very unusual after 3 or 4 days of team building. There is the mirroring….Roche mirrors the way Contador is sitting …which you would expect as Roche is new and Contador is of higher status and Roche is deferring to the boss …but Contador does not reciprocate this gesture and leans back out of the situation
    Their faces are not turned to each other which suggests lack of any bond and Contador is looking into the distance …which suggests he would rather be somewhere else rather in this particular moment
    You could say that maybe Contador is shy or cagey of new members….but this is a team building /getting to know you exercise …..but I don’t think the body language reflects this aim…Of course they don’t have to be friends but this picture reflects a lack of any warmth or comfort in each others’ company…..

    Are you a life coach by any chance?


  • #2530
    MPFG
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,606 ✭✭✭MPFG


    No
    Lusk Doyle wrote: »
    Are you a life coach by any chance?


    No ...I have a degree in Mathematics and I work as an operational researcher


  • #2531
    Lusk Doyle
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,365 ✭✭✭Lusk Doyle


    No
    MPFG wrote: »
    No ...I have a degree in Mathematics and I work as an operational researcher

    Ok. Just saw a lot of language that I recognised in your assessment.


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  • #2532
    MPFG
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,606 ✭✭✭MPFG


    No
    Lusk Doyle wrote: »
    Ok. Just saw a lot of language that I recognised in your assessment.

    Oh ...so you're a life coach then ??

    I could do with one of those


  • #2533
    furiousox
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,013 ✭✭✭furiousox


    No
    Oh get a room and assess each other's body language you two! :D

    CPL 593H



  • #2534
    Junior
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,218 ✭✭✭Junior


    Is that you Dr. Lightman ?


  • #2535
    Lusk Doyle
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,365 ✭✭✭Lusk Doyle


    No
    Junior wrote: »
    Is that you Dr. Lightman ?

    No. Haven't you seen this? He is smaller than me!

    :pac:


  • #2536
    MPFG
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,606 ✭✭✭MPFG


    No
    furiousox wrote: »
    Oh get a room and assess each other's body language you two! :D



    Eeeeeeeeeeeeemmmmmmmmmmmmm
    as long as he is a fast cyclist as my husband is a great shot :D


  • #2537
    Lusk Doyle
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,365 ✭✭✭Lusk Doyle


    No
    MPFG wrote: »



    Eeeeeeeeeeeeemmmmmmmmmmmmm
    as long as he is a fast cyclist as my husband is a great shot :D

    Very fast indeed. The fastest in my house in fact.


  • #2538
    Rovi
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,570 ✭✭✭Rovi


    No
    Sean Moncreiff is going to be talking to Tyler Hamilton in a few minutes on Newstalk!
    http://www.newstalk.ie/


  • #2539
    le petit braquet
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 454 ✭✭le petit braquet


    Hamilton appears to be in the studio in Dublin!


  • #2540
    ballygowan1
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 357 ✭✭ballygowan1


    No
    Would love to meet the guy.


  • #2541
    Leroy42
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,754 ✭✭✭✭Leroy42


    I would love to meet him as well. Ask him face to face just why he is making up all these terrible lies and untruths about our hero Lance.

    Just bitter is all he is, bet he is bent half over trying to carry that chip on his shoulder. I bet him and Landis made up all these stories while Lance was busy on the podium, and of course taking those 500+ drug tests.

    Well Tyler, while you were out walking your dog, Lance was out on his bike (ref the Nike ad) so that's why he beat you. Time to build a bridge mate.

    Maybe he was only 'offering' you the drugs to see what you would do. Seems once you accepted you were sent packing (well after a few successful seasons I'll admit....but sent packing nonetheless!) You obviously didn't have the inner strength that LA has to stand up to the bullies and beat all those evil drug takers.

    Go Lance!


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  • #2542
    shaka
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,085 ✭✭✭shaka


    No
    Leroy42 wrote: »
    I would love to meet him as well. Ask him face to face just why he is making up all these terrible lies and untruths about our hero Lance.

    Just bitter is all he is, bet he is bent half over trying to carry that chip on his shoulder. I bet him and Landis made up all these stories while Lance was busy on the podium, and of course taking those 500+ drug tests.

    Well Tyler, while you were out walking your dog, Lance was out on his bike (ref the Nike ad) so that's why he beat you. Time to build a bridge mate.

    Maybe he was only 'offering' you the drugs to see what you would do. Seems once you accepted you were sent packing (well after a few successful seasons I'll admit....but sent packing nonetheless!) You obviously didn't have the inner strength that LA has to stand up to the bullies and beat all those evil drug takers.

    Go Lance!
    Oh FFs


  • #2543
    RobFowl
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 11,668 Mod ✭✭✭✭RobFowl


    No
    Leroy42 wrote: »

    Go Lance!

    Hell Yeah

    You the MAN


  • #2544
    buffalo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,095 ✭✭✭buffalo


    No
    shaka wrote: »
    Oh FFs

    I'm not sure if your sarcasm detector is broken, or if it's double-sarcasm...


  • #2545
    Rovi
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,570 ✭✭✭Rovi


    No
    Here's the Moncreiff/Hamilton item:
    http://media.newstalk.ie/listenback/46/monday/4/?uniqueID=177533

    Starts at 4:05.


  • #2546
    MrMischief
    Registered Users Posts: 279 ✭✭MrMischief


    No
    Wasn't anything new from that today - promo work for the book tis all!


  • #2547
    irishmotorist
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,268 ✭✭✭irishmotorist


    No
    Leroy42 wrote: »
    I would love to meet him as well. Ask him face to face just why he is making up all these terrible lies and untruths about our hero Lance.

    Just bitter is all he is, bet he is bent half over trying to carry that chip on his shoulder. I bet him and Landis made up all these stories while Lance was busy on the podium, and of course taking those 500+ drug tests.

    Well Tyler, while you were out walking your dog, Lance was out on his bike (ref the Nike ad) so that's why he beat you. Time to build a bridge mate.

    Maybe he was only 'offering' you the drugs to see what you would do. Seems once you accepted you were sent packing (well after a few successful seasons I'll admit....but sent packing nonetheless!) You obviously didn't have the inner strength that LA has to stand up to the bullies and beat all those evil drug takers.

    Go Lance!

    Must be a mis-post. The 'row' thread is this-a-way >>>http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056815898


  • #2548
    fran oconnor
    Registered Users Posts: 662 ✭✭✭fran oconnor


    No
    Leroy42 wrote: »
    I would love to meet him as well. Ask him face to face just why he is making up all these terrible lies and untruths about our hero Lance.

    Just bitter is all he is, bet he is bent half over trying to carry that chip on his shoulder. I bet him and Landis made up all these stories while Lance was busy on the podium, and of course taking those 500+ drug tests.

    Well Tyler, while you were out walking your dog, Lance was out on his bike (ref the Nike ad) so that's why he beat you. Time to build a bridge mate.

    Maybe he was only 'offering' you the drugs to see what you would do. Seems once you accepted you were sent packing (well after a few successful seasons I'll admit....but sent packing nonetheless!) You obviously didn't have the inner strength that LA has to stand up to the bullies and beat all those evil drug takers.

    Go Lance!
    How much is lance paying u, and how long are you on one of his drug plans.. How could Lance have won everything without doping while everyone around him was also off there f***ing faces?.


  • #2549
    happytramp
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,625 ✭✭✭happytramp


    No
    fran oconnor wrote: »
    How much is lance paying u, and how long are you on one of his drug plans.. How could Lance have won everything without doping while everyone around him was also off there f***ing faces?.

    Stop being such a hater! If all you want to do slag is slag Lance off then you shouldn't even be on this thread.


  • #2550
    Dermot Illogical
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,131 ✭✭✭Dermot Illogical


    No
    fran oconnor wrote: »
    How much is lance paying u, and how long are you on one of his drug plans.. How could Lance have won everything without doping while everyone around him was also off there f***ing faces?.

    Livestrong and prosper.


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  • #2551
    shaka
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,085 ✭✭✭shaka


    No
    Pharmstrong and cheat :)


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