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Why would an Irish person wear a poppy ?

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  • #1022
    partyguinness
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,202 ✭✭✭partyguinness


    All this talk and comparison with the Easter Lilly is a red herring...

    How many do you actually see?
    How many presenters/people on Irish TV will wear one?
    How many sports players will wear them around easter time attached to jerseys?
    How many newspapers will have it on the front page of their paper?


  • #1023
    Lelantos
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,612 ✭✭✭Lelantos


    GRMA wrote: »
    Vast majority went to the NGA which looks after the graves and monuments of Irish patriots.
    Nodin wrote: »
    There are a number of different lillies on sale. Eirigi have nothing to do with Sinn Fein. The accusation is that the NGA gave funds to SF and was run by IRA members.

    Never let it be said i dont correct you, i said the the vast majority of lilly sales went to sinn fein & other organisations, i never said NGA gave money to sinn fein


  • #1024
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Lelantos wrote: »
    Never let it be said i dont correct you, i said the the vast majority of lilly sales went to sinn fein & other organisations, i never said NGA gave money to sinn fein

    Thats what it reads to me.
    The NGA is a supposed non party affiliated organisation, but it was run by IRA members, so that wasn't true. The vast majority of sales went to Sinn Féin & other organizations.


  • #1025
    Fratton Fred
    Closed Accounts Posts: 26,567 ✭✭✭✭Fratton Fred


    partyguinness wrote: »
    All this talk and comparison with the Easter Lilly is a red herring...

    How many do you actually see?
    How many presenters/people on Irish TV will wear one?
    How many sports players will wear them around easter time attached to jerseys?
    How many newspapers will have it on the front page of their paper?

    the original arguement, back in the day, was that people who wear the easter lilly are in no position to pontificate about the Poppy. Both remember the good and the bad soldiers.

    The Poppy would remember those that carried out crimes in Kenya, the Lilly those that murdered innocent people on the streets on Ireland and England.


  • #1026
    Lelantos
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,612 ✭✭✭Lelantos


    Nodin wrote: »

    Thats what it reads to me.
    Ah, but context is everything, you should have read in what it was reply to. Nowhere did I say the NGA gave funds to Sinn fein, its ok though, I shan't ask you to "do the decent thing"


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  • #1027
    Judgement Day
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    irish-stew wrote: »
    Not sure if its been brought up, but theres even alot of English/British people not wearing them around this rememberence day.

    Am over in London at the mo, and the appeal this year is being really pushed by all elements of the Media, the press, the news, entertainment, etc etc. So much to a point that people think they are being bullied into wearing one, with reports of some people even being questioned on why they are not wearing one, even if they have donated or done charity work for the armed forces or royal british legion.

    It has been but has little to do with this discussion, and more to do with namby pamby, politically correct bull**** that bedevils establishment Britain today. Worrying about whether or not broadcasters are wearing poppies while cutting the defence budget to shreds is the establishment's way of dealing with things. :rolleyes:


  • #1028
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Lelantos wrote: »
    Ah, but context is everything, you should have read in what it was reply to. Nowhere did I say the NGA gave funds to Sinn fein, its ok though, I shan't ask you to "do the decent thing"


    It's a bit odd you're taking that tack now, given how many times I've asked about and quoted that. More than a "bit" in fact.


  • #1029
    gurramok
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,992 ✭✭✭✭gurramok


    Judgement Day wrote: »
    It has been but has little to do with this discussion, and more to do with namby pamby, politically correct bull**** that bedevils establishment Britain today. Worrying about whether or not broadcasters are wearing poppies while cutting the defence budget to shreds is the establishment's way of dealing with things. :rolleyes:

    Cutting the UK's defence budget is a good thing yes? Less weapons sold abroad to various civil wars is good for the world.


  • #1030
    Lelantos
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,612 ✭✭✭Lelantos


    Nodin wrote: »


    It's a bit odd you're taking that tack now, given how many times I've asked about and quoted that. More than a "bit" in fact.
    No, I was just correcting your glaring mistake chucky


  • #1031
    Judgement Day
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,549 ✭✭✭✭Judgement Day


    gurramok wrote: »
    Cutting the UK's defence budget is a good thing yes? Less weapons sold abroad to various civil wars is good for the world.

    Selling weapons abroad has nothing to do with the defence budget. The defence budget deals with spending on Britain's armed forces and for decades they have been expected to carry out a their duties with insufficient funding. I'm sure that that makes you very happy - being a Little Irelander - but to anyone looking at the big picture it's not very comforting.


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  • #1032
    gurramok
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,992 ✭✭✭✭gurramok


    Judgement Day wrote: »
    Selling weapons abroad has nothing to do with the defence budget. The defence budget deals with spending on Britain's armed forces and for decades they have been expected to carry out a their duties with insufficient funding. I'm sure that that makes you very happy - being a Little Irelander - but to anyone looking at the big picture it's not very comforting.

    So less soldiers have a chance to kill with costly deadlier weapons, still a good thing? You come across as a poster that likes war, hope not?;)


  • #1033
    Rascasse
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,670 ✭✭✭Rascasse


    partyguinness wrote: »
    How many presenters/people on Irish TV will wear one?
    How many sports players will wear them around easter time attached to jerseys?
    How many newspapers will have it on the front page of their paper?

    You don't see any of course as it is political. The poppy appeal is not.

    With Sinn Fein, eirigi, RSF and whoever else using it as a fundraiser and the NGA not being a charity there is no reason for the papers, sportspeople or anyone with a public profile to support it. They would be mad to!

    Whereas, those who put money in a poppy tin know exactly where that money is going and what for - namely to provide practical support to injured soldiers and their families and to former soldiers and their families. The only political stuff the RBL gets involved in is lobby government to better help those the RBL helps.


  • #1034
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Rascasse wrote: »
    You don't .........helps.

    ....all of which you can point out when somebody starts a thread as to why or why not one should wear a lilly.


  • #1035
    GRMA
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,417 ✭✭✭GRMA


    Rascasse wrote: »
    You don't see any of course as it is political. The poppy appeal is not.

    With Sinn Fein, eirigi, RSF and whoever else using it as a fundraiser and the NGA not being a charity there is no reason for the papers, sportspeople or anyone with a public profile to support it. They would be mad to!

    Whereas, those who put money in a poppy tin know exactly where that money is going and what for - namely to provide practical support to injured soldiers and their families and to former soldiers and their families. The only political stuff the RBL gets involved in is lobby government to better help those the RBL helps.
    If you buy a lily off of the NGA the money goes to maintaining graves and monuments, they do excellent work and are more oft than not broke.


  • #1036
    gurramok
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,992 ✭✭✭✭gurramok


    Rascasse wrote: »
    Whereas, those who put money in a poppy tin know exactly where that money is going and what for - namely to provide practical support to injured soldiers and their families and to former soldiers and their families. The only political stuff the RBL gets involved in is lobby government to better help those the RBL helps.

    The Irish posters in particular who have no problem with the poppy and wear one do not know that. They still think its going towards ceremonies for WW1 soldiers when in fact the funds(UK oriented definitely) from the purchase of a poppy go towards the welfare of the Bloody Sunday killers.

    What we need is a new Irish symbol to stop muddying the lines as it was Irish soldiers who fought and died for Irish freedom(Redmonds con) in WWI, they did not die for Britain.


  • #1037
    philologos
    Closed Accounts Posts: 22,479 ✭✭✭✭philologos


    gurramok wrote: »

    The Irish posters in particular who have no problem with the poppy and wear one do not know that. They still think its going towards ceremonies for WW1 soldiers when in fact the funds(UK oriented definitely) from the purchase of a poppy go towards the welfare of the Bloody Sunday killers.

    What we need is a new Irish symbol to stop muddying the lines as it was Irish soldiers who fought and died for Irish freedom(Redmonds con) in WWI, they did not die for Britain.

    What about Irish people like me who know that it helps retired servicemen and have no issue with it?

    Traitors like the Irish president going to a Remembrance Sunday service?


  • #1038
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    philologos wrote: »
    What about Irish people like me who know that it helps retired servicemen and have no issue with it??

    what about ye indeed......


  • #1039
    boomerang
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,189 ✭✭✭boomerang


    Some of the men who enlisted weren't politically motivated at all. They just needed a wage and there were sod all opportunities elsewhere.


  • #1040
    gurramok
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,992 ✭✭✭✭gurramok


    philologos wrote: »
    What about Irish people like me who know that it helps retired servicemen and have no issue with it?

    Traitors like the Irish president going to a Remembrance Sunday service?

    Irish Unionists have no problem with helping ex BA servicemen and no the Irish president is not a traitor for attending a memorial service for WWI Irish fallen soldiers.


  • #1041
    The Idyl Race
    Closed Accounts Posts: 222 ✭✭The Idyl Race


    gurramok wrote: »
    The Irish posters in particular who have no problem with the poppy and wear one do not know that. They still think its going towards ceremonies for WW1 soldiers when in fact the funds(UK oriented definitely) from the purchase of a poppy go towards the welfare of the Bloody Sunday killers.

    What we need is a new Irish symbol to stop muddying the lines as it was Irish soldiers who fought and died for Irish freedom(Redmonds con) in WWI, they did not die for Britain.

    Unless in the unlikely event that the ex-Bloody Sunday soldiers are living in the Republic, all funds raised in the Republic stay in the Republic. That's straight from the RBL here, as stated on several occasions by them since Enniskillen.


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  • #1042
    philologos
    Closed Accounts Posts: 22,479 ✭✭✭✭philologos


    gurramok wrote: »

    Irish Unionists have no problem with helping ex BA servicemen and no the Irish president is not a traitor for attending a memorial service for WWI Irish fallen soldiers.

    I support the Republic and it's continued existence but carry on I find this thinking intriguing :)


  • #1043
    Judgement Day
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,549 ✭✭✭✭Judgement Day


    gurramok wrote: »
    So less soldiers have a chance to kill with costly deadlier weapons, still a good thing? You come across as a poster that likes war, hope not?;)

    As I posted previously (can't find it now) I'm far from being a war monger but I believe being ill prepared for possible conflicts is a recipe for disaster.


  • #1044
    Fratton Fred
    Closed Accounts Posts: 26,567 ✭✭✭✭Fratton Fred


    GRMA wrote: »
    If you buy a lily off of the NGA the money goes to maintaining graves and monuments, they do excellent work and are more oft than not broke.

    And also commemorate the Graves of Sean Russell, Peter Barnes and James McCormick.

    Great patriots.:rolleyes:


  • #1045
    gurramok
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,992 ✭✭✭✭gurramok


    The Idyl Race wrote: »
    Unless in the unlikely event that the ex-Bloody Sunday soldiers are living in the Republic, all funds raised in the Republic stay in the Republic. That's straight from the RBL here, as stated on several occasions by them since Enniskillen.

    Read again. "when in fact the funds(UK oriented definitely) from the purchase of a poppy go towards the welfare of the Bloody Sunday killers". Ireland is not part of the UK. There are Irish people from the ROI who have served in English\Scottish\Welsh regiments in the BA during the Troubles so your ROI poppy funds are not ringfenced.


  • #1046
    The Idyl Race
    Closed Accounts Posts: 222 ✭✭The Idyl Race


    gurramok wrote: »
    Read again. "when in fact the funds(UK oriented definitely) from the purchase of a poppy go towards the welfare of the Bloody Sunday killers". Ireland is not part of the UK. There are Irish people from the ROI who have served in English\Scottish\Welsh regiments in the BA during the Troubles so your ROI poppy funds are not ringfenced.

    Who do I believe, a random guy off the internet, or the people who collect and distribute the funds?


  • #1047
    GRMA
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,417 ✭✭✭GRMA


    Does the money go to UDR people as well as the other murderers?


  • #1048
    Death and Taxes
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,775 ✭✭✭Death and Taxes


    GRMA wrote: »
    Does the money go to UDR people as well as the other murderers?
    No, I doubt if any of it goes to to pira,cira,rira,inla,uvf,uff,rhc.:mad:


  • #1049
    gurramok
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,992 ✭✭✭✭gurramok


    philologos wrote: »
    I support the Republic and it's continued existence but carry on I find this thinking intriguing :)

    Do you think you are some sort of Florence of Nightingale or something? You've no problem helping ex-BA personnel who murdered Irish people, says alot about your hidden thinking.
    The Idyl Race wrote: »
    Who do I believe, a random guy off the internet, or the people who collect and distribute the funds?

    Is that a denial, sidestep or what?


  • #1050
    GRMA
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,417 ✭✭✭GRMA


    WileyCoyote wrote: »
    No, I doubt if any of it goes to to pira,cira,rira,inla,uvf,uff,rhc.:mad:
    I was referring to the regiments gurramok mentioned, interesting you put consider them the same as the red hand commandos.


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  • #1051
    Fratton Fred
    Closed Accounts Posts: 26,567 ✭✭✭✭Fratton Fred


    GRMA wrote: »
    Does the money go to UDR people as well as the other murderers?

    How do you define James McCormick and Peter Barnes?


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