Cork GAA Discussion Thread

ShamoBuc · 28-10-2012 8:21pm

rebel girl 15 wrote: »

Was that the full game or highlights?

(don't have the team sorry)

Looked like the full game, only caught the last 15 though.

zetecescort · 28-10-2012 8:21pm

rebel girl 15 wrote: »

Was that the full game or highlights?

full game, twas on after the Kerry final.

Treble20 · 28-10-2012 10:24pm

Well done to Castlehaven,this team epitomise all the spirit of a united club,great self belief,determination and a will to win. As for Duhallow they were shocking to watch,handpassing all over the field and negative tactics employed throughout the game by them as is tutored to them by Ned English,definitely the most negative football coach in Cork IMO. Overall a poor game from what I saw on TG4 but Castlehaven were deserving winners.

Also well done to St Vincents on winning the Premier Intermediate crown,sounded like a great game according to the radio.

zetecescort · 28-10-2012 10:34pm

Treble20 wrote: »

Well done to Castlehaven,this team epitomise all the spirit of a united club,great self belief,determination and a will to win. As for Duhallow they were shocking to watch,handpassing all over the field and negative tactics employed throughout the game by them as is tutored to them by Ned English,definitely the most negative football coach in Cork IMO. Overall a poor game from what I saw on TG4 but Castlehaven were deserving winners.

Also well done to St Vincents on winning the Premier Intermediate crown,sounded like a great game according to the radio.

ah stop, Duhallow were "handpassing all over the field" because the Haven had 12 or 13 behind the ball. both teams were poor, negative and couldn't kick scores. 1-7 to 0-9 poor scoring for a senior county final.

Treble20 · 28-10-2012 11:08pm

zetecescort wrote: »

ah stop, Duhallow were "handpassing all over the field" because the Haven had 12 or 13 behind the ball. both teams were poor, negative and couldn't kick scores. 1-7 to 0-9 poor scoring for a senior county final.

Well easy for you to say that looking at 1 game on TV but this was Duhallow's tactics all the year in their games,their an incredibly negative team. Yes It was a shi*e game,no doubt about that but I'm sure Haven fans couldn't give a f**k what kind of game it was!

rebel girl 15 · 28-10-2012 11:27pm

Haven were going onto Munster anyway, nice to do it correctly though!

Treble20 · 28-10-2012 11:38pm

rebel girl 15 wrote: »

Haven were going onto Munster anyway, nice to do it correctly though!

They play Drom-Broadford next Sunday in Clonakilty as far as I know. Hard to see them beating Crokes if they get to meet them but the Haven like to upset the form book! The 1 team who'll be kicking themselves tonight I feel are Douglas,I think they lost a golden opportunity to win a County this year IMO.

darragh_haven · 29-10-2012 10:48am

rebel girl 15 wrote: »

Sham, have you the Haven team??

Haven team that started:
1. Paudie Hurley. 2. David Limrick. 3. Liam Collins. 4. Tomas O'Leary. 5. David Burns. 6. Damien Cahalane. 7. Chris Hayes. 8. Sean Dineen. 9. Dermot Hurley. 10. Roland Whelton. 11. Mark Collins. 12. Alan Cahalane. 13. Seanie Cahalane. 14. Brian Hurley. 15. Stephen Hurley

Deco99 · 29-10-2012 11:03am

Treble20 wrote: »

Well easy for you to say that looking at 1 game on TV but this was Duhallow's tactics all the year in their games,their an incredibly negative team. Yes It was a shi*e game,no doubt about that but I'm sure Haven fans couldn't give a f**k what kind of game it was!

At the Game, Haven incredibly negative and cynical, or as sympathisers like to say "cuter". Pretty blatant stuff but the ref was always goin to allow the club team to get away with more. Is it time that outside referees, freefrom county board pressure, be brought in?

Just opened the echo to check the Ref Watch and what their view was on it.... Strangely the first timie all year they omitted that section

Mouth of the South · 29-10-2012 9:29pm

Brutal game, and sad that the negativity that afflicts the intercounty game is so pervasive in the club game too. I don't give Castlehaven a snowball's chance of winning Munster except for the arrogance of Dr. Crokes helping them out. Coooper and the Dr. Crokes manager were already talking about the All Ireland and taking on Crossmaglen (Kerry team obsessed with northern team shocka!) in their post-match interviews even before they play the Munster championship. Hopefully the Kilmurry lads from Clare were watching that too.

Amprodude · 29-10-2012 11:01pm

Mouth of the South wrote: »

Brutal game, and sad that the negativity that afflicts the intercounty game is so pervasive in the club game too. I don't give Castlehaven a snowball's chance of winning Munster except for the arrogance of Dr. Crokes helping them out. Coooper and the Dr. Crokes manager were already talking about the All Ireland and taking on Crossmaglen (Kerry team obsessed with northern team shocka!) in their post-match interviews even before they play the Munster championship. Hopefully the Kilmurry lads from Clare were watching that too.

As good as Dr Crokes are at the moment and should win Munster, I think they still arent good enough to beat Crossmaglen if they meet them IMO. A lot of loose marking by Dingle yesterday, Crossmaglen wont allow that if they were to meet them for sure. Dr Crokes must get out of Munster first though.

EpicPothole · 30-10-2012 12:42am

Deco99 wrote: »

At the Game, Haven incredibly negative and cynical, or as sympathisers like to say "cuter". Pretty blatant stuff but the ref was always goin to allow the club team to get away with more. Is it time that outside referees, freefrom county board pressure, be brought in?

Just opened the echo to check the Ref Watch and what their view was on it.... Strangely the first timie all year they omitted that section

As a neutral at the game, I can't see how you can say the ref was biased towards the club team. Castlehaven had a man sent off!! And I think they must have had 5 more booked. If you looked at objectively, you could say Adain Walsh for Duhallow should have recieved a second yellow too.
I do agree that once the Castlehaven man got the line, the ref did leave a lot more rough stuff go (last 10 to 15 min)
Both teams were defensive/cynical. Duhallow had their no.11 doing a double marking job on Castlehaven forward no.14 (brian Hurley) and got a fair roughing up when the ball was at the other end of the pitch. Castlehaven used the the "Donegal" style and were rough ( bit got booking for most rough stuff)
All in all, I think the better team won

Deco99 · 30-10-2012 11:05am

EpicPothole wrote: »

As a neutral at the game, I can't see how you can say the ref was biased towards the club team. Castlehaven had a man sent off!! And I think they must have had 5 more booked. If you looked at objectively, you could say Adain Walsh for Duhallow should have recieved a second yellow too.
I do agree that once the Castlehaven man got the line, the ref did leave a lot more rough stuff go (last 10 to 15 min)
Both teams were defensive/cynical. Duhallow had their no.11 doing a double marking job on Castlehaven forward no.14 (brian Hurley) and got a fair roughing up when the ball was at the other end of the pitch. Castlehaven used the the "Donegal" style and were rough ( bit got booking for most rough stuff)
All in all, I think the better team won

They could have had more sent off. The walsh booking was a yellow card for first offence while the castlehaven boys were allowed commit the same offence (drag a man back to stop the play) on numerous occasions before being booked. Sure how could he not produce a second yellow for the sending off FFS, it was too blatant. The key moment was when he failed to give a thirteen yard free to the corner forward who was dragged to ground got up and then pushed over, that was winning of game had the proper rules been applied. TG4 couldnt believe it, the camera went straight to ref, replayed the incident and straight back on ref as if to say how could you not give that.

on a side note, classy birds in front of me at match drinking cans of Bavaria and Coors Light, i'd prefer Dutch Gold meself but each to their own

EpicPothole · 30-10-2012 11:32am

I'm an Antrim man, with no vested interest in either team. (only interested in getting full up at the jazz) TG4 had issues with several incidents on both sides. (thats where I'm picking up the adain Walsh issue).
The sending off was deserved. Haven seem to have a tactic of hard tackling/fouling, if you were booked someone else put in the next hard tackle/foul. I'm presuming you a Duhallow man and its hard to see your team loose in such a fashion.
It was dire to watch, but effective. Being raised on Ulster football, its similar, and is the win at any cost idea. But I don't think the ref can be apportioned much blame for Duhallow loosing. It can be put down to Castlehaven work rate and Donegal style of play.
On my own side note..... Was there 200 Duhallow supporters there? Seemed to be poorly supported for such a big club.

Mouth of the South · 30-10-2012 1:30pm

EpicPothole wrote: »

I'm an Antrim man, with no vested interest in either team. (only interested in getting full up at the jazz) TG4 had issues with several incidents on both sides. (thats where I'm picking up the adain Walsh issue).
The sending off was deserved. Haven seem to have a tactic of hard tackling/fouling, if you were booked someone else put in the next hard tackle/foul. I'm presuming you a Duhallow man and its hard to see your team loose in such a fashion.
It was dire to watch, but effective. Being raised on Ulster football, its similar, and is the win at any cost idea. But I don't think the ref can be apportioned much blame for Duhallow loosing. It can be put down to Castlehaven work rate and Donegal style of play.
On my own side note..... Was there 200 Duhallow supporters there? Seemed to be poorly supported for such a big club.

Duhallow are not a club, they are a divisional selection.

Deco99 · 30-10-2012 1:31pm

EpicPothole wrote: »

I'm an Antrim man, with no vested interest in either team. (only interested in getting full up at the jazz) TG4 had issues with several incidents on both sides. (thats where I'm picking up the adain Walsh issue).
The sending off was deserved. Haven seem to have a tactic of hard tackling/fouling, if you were booked someone else put in the next hard tackle/foul. I'm presuming you a Duhallow man and its hard to see your team loose in such a fashion.
It was dire to watch, but effective. Being raised on Ulster football, its similar, and is the win at any cost idea. But I don't think the ref can be apportioned much blame for Duhallow loosing. It can be put down to Castlehaven work rate and Donegal style of play.
On my own side note..... Was there 200 Duhallow supporters there? Seemed to be poorly supported for such a big club.

Not a club, an amalgamation of smaller clubs within a division, therefore no real support base.

You've hit the nail on the head though, i dont mind getting beat, part and parcel of sport but i'm falling out of love with our sport due in a large part to the way it is being refereed. The last day was not the worst example just the latest, the examiner review of the ref is "he let the game flow", its because of these referees that allow these challenges/cynical fouls go unpunished that teams persist. The ref is afraid of ruining the game but it encourages teams to persist and play this way. the rules are the rules but you keep getting scenarios where the referee "adjusted for the two teams playing", thereby ignoring the rules and applying his own for a "more flowing game". Every game would be more flowing if there was a zero tolerance to shirt pulling, and the latest non foul is you can pull someone back as long as you let go quickly and then pull with the other hand but let go quickly. Other crap where refs dont apply the rules are where they give yellows for straight red card offences as "he has championship coming up". Wont someone please think of the children in all of this. How successful would Donegal's defence be if the third man tackle was enforced? I'm not one of these that feel Donegal ruining football, just refs seem to feel "oh they are super defensive therefore that mustnt be a foul as they know what they are doing" The Ref playing for the draw is another pet hate. Time is time. Rules are rules and rants are only rants if no valid points are made.

podgemonster · 30-10-2012 3:25pm

Deco99 wrote: »

The key moment was when he failed to give a thirteen yard free to the corner forward who was dragged to ground got up and then pushed over, that was winning of game had the proper rules been applied.

I thought the key moment was when Shane Nolan banged one into the net in the 59th minute for Castlehaven!:D

I think alot of the starting Haven forwards bar Mark Collins didnt really click on the day possible due to nerves, poor conditions and strong marking by the backs. They have a lot more to offer and hopefully that will come to fore in the next stage of the championship (assuming they have stopped celebrating and get back training for next Sunday).

Still though a 4th Senior County title for a parish so small in a county so big. Outstanding Achievement!

slingerz · 30-10-2012 6:06pm

Deco99 wrote: »

Not a club, an amalgamation of smaller clubs within a division, therefore no real support base.

You've hit the nail on the head though, i dont mind getting beat, part and parcel of sport but i'm falling out of love with our sport due in a large part to the way it is being refereed. The last day was not the worst example just the latest, the examiner review of the ref is "he let the game flow", its because of these referees that allow these challenges/cynical fouls go unpunished that teams persist. The ref is afraid of ruining the game but it encourages teams to persist and play this way. the rules are the rules but you keep getting scenarios where the referee "adjusted for the two teams playing", thereby ignoring the rules and applying his own for a "more flowing game". Every game would be more flowing if there was a zero tolerance to shirt pulling, and the latest non foul is you can pull someone back as long as you let go quickly and then pull with the other hand but let go quickly. Other crap where refs dont apply the rules are where they give yellows for straight red card offences as "he has championship coming up". Wont someone please think of the children in all of this. How successful would Donegal's defence be if the third man tackle was enforced? I'm not one of these that feel Donegal ruining football, just refs seem to feel "oh they are super defensive therefore that mustnt be a foul as they know what they are doing" The Ref playing for the draw is another pet hate. Time is time. Rules are rules and rants are only rants if no valid points are made.

Youve a post a couple of pages back complaining bout a ref that did an earlier game of Castlehaven's this year it kinda looks like you've a grudge with that club rather than refereeing tbh

Deco99 · 31-10-2012 12:05pm

slingerz wrote: »

Youve a post a couple of pages back complaining bout a ref that did an earlier game of Castlehaven's this year it kinda looks like you've a grudge with that club rather than refereeing tbh

#FAIL:

Want to apologise for saying I have a grudge with a club, the post a few pages back makes specific mention of the Carbery Rangers/Bishopstown game, no mention of Castlehaven whatsoever. I've no problem with Castlehaven whatsoever, dont know anyone from there never been there. In a funny way though you're sloppy accusation has helped in a small way show its not sour grapes (ah maybe a small bit, who likes losing

) but I've previously referred to my disgust for the way football is being marshalled. I actually commended the referee in that game for applying the rules, if more refs did it then the fouling would stop. when the go with the flow refs undermine the refs applying the rules then we go back to square one.

rebel girl 15 · 31-10-2012 8:08pm

o2 are ending their sponsorship of the Cork GAA teams from the end of the year

zetecescort · 31-10-2012 9:27pm

big loss to Cork. Won't be easy to find a replacement as generous as O2 in the current climate. serious costs involved in running two teams in the top 4 or 5 in each code.

D'Agger · 01-11-2012 9:45am

*Cue Siptu jersey pics

slingerz · 01-11-2012 12:39pm

Deco99 wrote: »

At the Game, Haven incredibly negative and cynical, or as sympathisers like to say "cuter". Pretty blatant stuff but the ref was always goin to allow the club team to get away with more. Is it time that outside referees, freefrom county board pressure, be brought in?

Just opened the echo to check the Ref Watch and what their view was on it.... Strangely the first timie all year they omitted that section

Deco99 wrote: »

They could have had more sent off. The walsh booking was a yellow card for first offence while the castlehaven boys were allowed commit the same offence (drag a man back to stop the play) on numerous occasions before being booked. Sure how could he not produce a second yellow for the sending off FFS, it was too blatant. The key moment was when he failed to give a thirteen yard free to the corner forward who was dragged to ground got up and then pushed over, that was winning of game had the proper rules been applied. TG4 couldnt believe it, the camera went straight to ref, replayed the incident and straight back on ref as if to say how could you not give that.

on a side note, classy birds in front of me at match drinking cans of Bavaria and Coors Light, i'd prefer Dutch Gold meself but each to their own

Deco99 wrote: »

#FAIL:

Want to apologise for saying I have a grudge with a club, the post a few pages back makes specific mention of the Carbery Rangers/Bishopstown game, no mention of Castlehaven whatsoever. I've no problem with Castlehaven whatsoever, dont know anyone from there never been there. In a funny way though you're sloppy accusation has helped in a small way show its not sour grapes (ah maybe a small bit, who likes losing ) but I've previously referred to my disgust for the way football is being marshalled. I actually commended the referee in that game for applying the rules, if more refs did it then the fouling would stop. when the go with the flow refs undermine the refs applying the rules then we go back to square one.

It doesnt have to mention castlehaven. you commeneded colin lane for sending off 3 ross players in that game. colin lane did the first haven/barrs match and failed to send off a single player despite a large bustup that involved a large number of players. Interestingly the ref on sunday sent off a haven player in the replayed haven/barrs match. your comments on the ref after a match do sound like sour grapes as all neutrals seem to agree that he did a fine job and only the most irrational of duhallow supporters could quibble with decisions.

Deco99 · 01-11-2012 6:31pm

slingerz wrote: »

It doesnt have to mention castlehaven. you commeneded colin lane for sending off 3 ross players in that game. colin lane did the first haven/barrs match and failed to send off a single player despite a large bustup that involved a large number of players. Interestingly the ref on sunday sent off a haven player in the replayed haven/barrs match. your comments on the ref after a match do sound like sour grapes as all neutrals seem to agree that he did a fine job and only the most irrational of duhallow supporters could quibble with decisions.

Am you made a false accusation and you still defend it? as you produce the evidence that proves its false? Whats your point on colin lane? that a ref is not allowed to get it right after receiving criticism in a previous game? I know it can be difficult to articulate an argument on a forum but you dont come close, you make random points that you back up with examples that have no relevance.
Have you done a survey of all neutrals that watched the game? or is this more ill thought out comment for the sake of it? I've similarly spoke to plenty of people who felt some of the decisions were poor.
Open the Corkman paper today, the only piece of media i've seen comment on the ref, it makes mention of the frees at the end.

Besides your missing my whole point, the standard of football was dire to watch as it was so defensive. My point was that because the illegal tackling is not punished teams are encouraged to adopt this stategy rather than a more positive attacking approach which does not get rewarded. You cant take on a man cause your pulled and dragged and more likely to give away a "turnover" instead of getting a free. And just to calm you down, Duhallow were guilty of this negative crap too.

mr bungle. · 02-11-2012 4:59pm

i see Sean og is after packing it in.best of luck too him

.E_C_K_S. · 02-11-2012 5:13pm

Ya just seen it on the score. One of the greatest servants to Cork over the years.Some people will not realise the unreal amount of work this man has put in. Best of luck to him!

mr bungle. · 02-11-2012 5:39pm

WALSHY16291 wrote: »

Ya just seen it on the score. One of the greatest servants to Cork over the years.Some people will not realise the unreal amount of work this man has put in. Best of luck to him!

+1
one of my favourite cork players for a long time.always cleared the ball with little fuss .disliked the fact that many people saw him as a mouthpiece near the end of his playing days.

willietherock · 02-11-2012 6:35pm

Ironically enough ended the yr as possibly Cork's best halfback. The classic quite,man-marking defender.Incrediblely consistent. Also one of the cleanest hurlers to play the game. Massively underrated as a hurler outside of Cork where non playing issues issues cloud judgement.

Duiske · 02-11-2012 7:56pm

mr bungle. wrote: »

+1
one of my favourite cork players for a long time.always cleared the ball with little fuss .disliked the fact that many people saw him as a mouthpiece near the end of his playing days.

Same here. For such a big man he could turn opponents inside-out and have the ball gone before they knew what was happening. He had levels of both skill and consistency that I feel should place him up there in any list of greatest players.

SeaFields · 02-11-2012 11:03pm

One of the best gaa role models, or any other sport for that matter, that this country has produced. A great force for cork hurling on top of that. Had the pleasure of meeting him a few times and can say he was an absolute gent and, like many of the gaa people around cork, know of plenty he has done off the field in his own time for kids and supporters.

Best of luck to him and a massive thanks for the memories.

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