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Would you pose for Playboy??? *READ MOD NOTE IN POST 1#*

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  • #122
    WhyGoBald
    Closed Accounts Posts: 146 ✭✭WhyGoBald


    Eh, she isnt providing strangers with sexual pleasure. She is providing her body to be photographed.

    Playboy isn't about the aesthetics. It's visual pornography. I mean, I don't know anyone who really disputes that, although I'm sure some people really do read Playboy for the articles.

    There are ethical as well as moral objections to it (i.e. objectification of women etc.), and though it pales in comparison to modern examples of how the medium has evolved, that's really another discussion.


  • #123
    Quorum
    Closed Accounts Posts: 474 ✭✭Quorum


    NegativeCreep wrote: »
    This isn't an attack on anyone in this thread but I think there's a fair amount of jealousy and begrudgery going on here.

    It's hardly jealousy for people who wouldn't do it even if they had a perfect body. Lazy point.


  • #124
    NegativeCreep
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,351 ✭✭✭NegativeCreep


    Quorum wrote: »
    It's hardly jealousy for people who wouldn't do it even if they had a perfect body. Lazy point.

    People who know they're never going to have the body are jealous. It's easy to say "I wouldn't do it even if I had the body" if you never were and never will be model-material.


  • #125
    username123
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,484 ✭✭✭username123


    WhyGoBald wrote: »
    Playboy isn't about the aesthetics. It's visual pornography. I mean, I don't know anyone who really disputes that, although I'm sure some people really do read Playboy for the articles.

    There are ethical as well as moral objections to it (i.e. objectification of women etc.), and though it pales in comparison to modern examples of how the medium has evolved, that's really another discussion.

    Now maybe Im naive about Playboy, but are the photographs of women performing sex acts on themselves or others? Or is it simply a display of the naked body dressed up in string knickers or on horses or whatever?

    I personally do not have any moral or ethical objections to an adult female accepting a 6 figure sum of money to be photographed naked.


  • #126
    WhyGoBald
    Closed Accounts Posts: 146 ✭✭WhyGoBald


    username123 wrote: »
    Now maybe Im naive about Playboy, but are the photographs of women performing sex acts on themselves or others? Or is it simply a display of the naked body dressed up in string knickers or on horses or whatever?

    I really don't want to have to spell out the ultimate purpose of pornography, and it doesn't have to involve women performing sex acts on themselves. The photographic version is a little different from the motion picture version, but both serve the same purpose. That is Playboy's function, and that is why it holds a stigma.


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  • #127
    Quorum
    Closed Accounts Posts: 474 ✭✭Quorum


    NegativeCreep wrote: »
    People who know they're never going to have the body are jealous. It's easy to say "I wouldn't do it even if I had the body" if you never were and never will be model-material.

    Lots of people have great bodies. Not many have the requisite height to be a model but other than that, great bodies aren't that rare. You don't know what the body of anyone on here who said they wouldn't is like.

    And actually, it's interesting that you should say model-material. Back in the day, slim but otherwise normal girls would make it on the pages of Playboy, many weren't models.

    And again, even if they don't have the body, that doesn't automatically make them jealous.


  • #128
    username123
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,484 ✭✭✭username123


    WhyGoBald wrote: »
    I really don't want to have to spell out the ultimate purpose of pornography, and it doesn't have to involve women performing sex acts on themselves. The photographic version is a little different from the motion picture version, but both serve the same purpose. That is Playboy's function, and that is why it holds a stigma.

    Im sorry, I thought you meant that the women in Playboy were actually performing sex acts in the photographs.

    Of course the ultimate purpose of the magazine is masturbation, but so what? Masturbation is not a morally reprehensible act either - imo.


  • #129
    NegativeCreep
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,351 ✭✭✭NegativeCreep


    Quorum wrote: »
    Lots of people have great bodies. Not many have the requisite height to be a model but other than that, great bodies aren't that rare.

    Great body, boobs, nice ass, pretty face, height, long legs, plenty of self-confidence and a very thick skin. Not many people fit that bill in fairness. But Rosanna does and that's why I think a lot of people are jealous.


  • #130
    gara
    Closed Accounts Posts: 361 ✭✭gara


    Playboy is a top-shelf publication sold with a primary objective of providing sexual gratification.

    Rosanna Davison has exposed her breasts to deliver gratuitous nudity and sexual pleasure to Playboy readers and has been paid for it.

    If she wants to objectify herself like that and become fap fodder for half the world, that's her prerogative but I don't and won't agree with it.

    As for the jealousy issue, I am a slim, toned size 8, confident, professional person who is largely happy with her appearance. Whereas I wonder hypothetically how I might look in photos like that, I ultimately have too much respect for myself and my family to ever sell myself to provide large-scale sexual enjoyment


  • #131
    NegativeCreep
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,351 ✭✭✭NegativeCreep


    Quorum wrote: »
    And actually, it's interesting that you should say model-material. Back in the day, slim but otherwise normal girls would make it on the pages of Playboy, many weren't models.

    And again, even if they don't have the body, that doesn't automatically make them jealous.

    Yeah but we're not back in the day anymore, this is 2012 and this is what a lot of people want now. I personally go for skinny girls so the modern stereotype of a model is what appeals to me.

    I'm not saying everyone is jealous, I'm just saying a few on here appear to be jealous of lovely Rosanna :P


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  • #132
    Madam_X
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,327 ✭✭✭Madam_X


    Ah in fairness, while I personally don't see an issue with it, people who express a negative opinion might not be jealous, and have a right to express that opinion - and without a pretty strong assumption of jealousy being targeted at her.


  • #133
    WhyGoBald
    Closed Accounts Posts: 146 ✭✭WhyGoBald


    username123 wrote: »
    Im sorry, I thought you meant that the women in Playboy were actually performing sex acts in the photographs.

    Of course the ultimate purpose of the magazine is masturbation, but so what? Masturbation is not a morally reprehensible act either - imo.

    I was trying to point out the difference between what you said was naked modelling and what Playboy actually is. It's not art, and it is stigmatised because it is, frankly, seedy.


  • #134
    Quorum
    Closed Accounts Posts: 474 ✭✭Quorum


    NegativeCreep wrote: »
    I'm not saying everyone is jealous, I'm just saying a few on here appear to be jealous of lovely Rosanna :P
    NegativeCreep wrote: »
    and that's why I think a lot of people are jealous.

    :confused:

    As for all the things you mentioned, lots of people don't have the height, other than that they could do it. Even 5'7" is too short to be considered for modelling so that puts it in perspective.
    NegativeCreep wrote: »
    Yeah but we're not back in the day anymore, this is 2012 and this is what a lot of people want now.

    The models back in the day were no bigger, actually I'd say they were on average slimmer. Much more 20", 21", 22" and 23" waists whereas now the most common would be 24". And lots of them were very short. Just normal girls.


  • #135
    OU812
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,095 ✭✭✭OU812


    Still a lot of prudish women in Ireland shocker.

    To be honest, I've never really "got" RD, she's a pretty girl, but she's a country 9 & city 7 if you know what I mean. She's no Kate Upton or even Helena Christenson anyway... I've seen better looking girls in Dublin during the day.

    Also, there's a really high res image here REALLY high Res, "make out individual grains of sand high res"... you think she would have waxed instead of shaving :)

    Anyway, for what it's worth. I'm male, have posed naked in public & the images are somewhere around the net & you know what... it's great !


  • #136
    Quorum
    Closed Accounts Posts: 474 ✭✭Quorum


    OU812 wrote: »
    Still a lot of prudish women in Ireland shocker.

    Know your audience!!!
    OU812 wrote: »
    Anyway, for what it's worth. I'm male, have posed naked in public & the images are somewhere around the net & you know what... it's great !

    Spencer Tunick?


  • #137
    gara
    Closed Accounts Posts: 361 ✭✭gara


    OU812 wrote: »
    Still a lot of prudish women in Ireland shocker

    Still a lot of presumptuous men too it seems


  • #138
    Honey-ec
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,844 ✭✭✭Honey-ec


    WhyGoBald wrote: »
    I was trying to point out the difference between what you said was naked modelling and what Playboy actually is. It's not art, and it is stigmatised because it is, frankly, seedy.

    Playboy is stigmatised? It's about as mainstream as you can get.


  • #139
    Honey-ec
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,844 ✭✭✭Honey-ec


    Quorum wrote: »
    Know your audience!!!

    Are you insinuating the women of tLL are prudes? Speak for yourself, not all of us, please.


  • #140
    panda100
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,551 ✭✭✭panda100


    OU812 wrote: »
    Also, there's a really high res image here REALLY high Res, "make out individual grains of sand high res"... you think she would have waxed instead of shaving smile.png !

    Do you wax all your pubic hair off??


  • #141
    Quorum
    Closed Accounts Posts: 474 ✭✭Quorum


    Honey-ec wrote: »
    Are you insinuating the women of tLL are prudes? Speak for yourself, not all of us, please.

    Uh... no? :confused: When I said know your audience, I meant don't blanket judge the women of Ireland on a forum populated by mostly Irish women. I don't know how saying it in anyway came across like I was agreeing with the "prudish" comment.


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  • #142
    gara
    Closed Accounts Posts: 361 ✭✭gara


    Honey-ec wrote: »
    Playboy is stigmatised? It's about as mainstream as you can get.

    Being mainstream doesn't mean it's exempt from having a certain stigma attached. Playboy is probably the most sleaze synonymous brand in the world


  • #143
    OU812
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,095 ✭✭✭OU812


    Quorum wrote: »
    Know your audience!!!

    Quite !
    Quorum wrote: »
    Spencer Tunick?

    Yes, as well as a couple of other photoshoots
    gara wrote: »
    Still a lot of presumptuous men too it seems

    Not at all, but the evidence is here. Most of my female friends are open minded, some more than others, but I don't think any of them would have jumped to "I don't want men looking at me like that!!!" type answers

    panda100 wrote: »
    Do you wax all your pubic hair off??

    If I was doing playboy I would have...


  • #144
    NegativeCreep
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,351 ✭✭✭NegativeCreep


    Quorum wrote: »
    :confused:

    As for all the things you mentioned, lots of people don't have the height, other than that they could do it. Even 5'7" is too short to be considered for modelling so that puts it in perspective.



    The models back in the day were no bigger, actually I'd say they were on average slimmer. Much more 20", 21", 22" and 23" waists whereas now the most common would be 24". And lots of them were very short. Just normal girls.

    What exactly are you confused about?

    I never said models back in the day were bigger :P

    _______________
    Is it because she's Irish that people have an issue with her? People don't seem to have an issue when anyone else does it. It just annoys me to see people putting down a girl because she got a few naked snaps taken of her and got a pretty penny in the process. She clearly doesn't feel that she's degraded herself and she's confident enough to be proud of it. I think if you can't be happy for her then there's more wrong with you than there is with her.


  • #145
    Eve_Dublin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,884 ✭✭✭Eve_Dublin


    OU812 wrote: »
    Not at all, but the evidence is here. Most of my female friends are open minded, some more than others, but I don't think any of them would have jumped to "I don't want men looking at me like that!!!" type answers

    Do you understand what prudish means?


  • #146
    OU812
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,095 ✭✭✭OU812


    Eve_Dublin wrote: »
    Do you understand what prudish means?

    Yes.


  • #147
    Eve_Dublin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,884 ✭✭✭Eve_Dublin


    OU812 wrote: »
    Yes.

    Doesn't sound like you do, pal.


  • #148
    Madam_X
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,327 ✭✭✭Madam_X


    Yeh just because a woman would rather not have naked pics of herself published in a mainstream magazine and viewable by anyone (it's not just about men) doesn't mean she's not extremely liberated in other ways.


  • #149
    OU812
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,095 ✭✭✭OU812


    I can assure you, I do.

    Prude: a person who affects or shows an excessively modest, prim, or proper attitude, esp regarding sex"


  • #150
    Quorum
    Closed Accounts Posts: 474 ✭✭Quorum


    NegativeCreep wrote: »
    What exactly are you confused about?

    You don't believe everyone is jealous, just lots of them.
    NegativeCreep wrote: »
    I never said models back in the day were bigger :P

    You mentioned today's "skinny" models, I'm just pointing out that they were as skinny if not skinnier back then too.

    _______________
    Is it because she's Irish that people have an issue with her? People don't seem to have an issue when anyone else does it. It just annoys me to see people putting down a girl because she got a few naked snaps taken of her and got a pretty penny in the process. She clearly doesn't feel that she's degraded herself and she's confident enough to be proud of it. I think if you can't be happy for her then there's more wrong with you than there is with her.[/QUOTE]


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  • #151
    Madam_X
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,327 ✭✭✭Madam_X


    OU812 wrote: »
    I can assure you, I do.

    Prude: a person who affects or shows an excessively modest, prim, or proper attitude, esp regarding sex"
    There are various reasons a person wouldn't choose to pose for Playboy, prudishness is only one of them.


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