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The Expendables 2 *spoilers from post 263*

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,115 ✭✭✭✭Nervous Wreck


    Saw it Sunday and really enjoyed. Its a big dumb action film which embraces the ridiculous and runs with it. The cast were all on fine form though it's a shame that Van Damme's Vilane was so underdeveloped.

    The only 'developed' character was Statham's... let's not even talk about that.


  • Registered Users Posts: 13,295 ✭✭✭✭Duggy747


    What a load of shìte it was.

    Highly entertaining shìte!

    This is what the 1st film should have been, much more tongue in cheek with terrible acting and really, really bad one-liners................Jesus, they were awful. I was cringing so hard at Chuck's bits, he was brutal and Arnie's one-liners were oddly delivered. Like he was standing there until they prodded him to say something in that accent of his.

    But, I had great fun watching it and found myself laughing at some of the OTT violent bits like I did with Rambo 4 in the cinema.
    That one last henchmen in the village they all pump bullets into was funny, right down to the cold-hearted "Rest in Pieces" line

    Was a fun novelty seeing Arnie, Stallone, and Willis in scenes together shooting shìt up. A lot of the hand-to-hand combat was well done, too, and was much better than the 1st. All the other crew in the team got more exposure this time, Crews livens up the banter (The sheer fùckin' size of him is unreal) and Lundgren provided the laughs by just his facial expressions, he kept reminding me of Lurch from Addams Family.

    JCVD was a villian right out from the 80's, eurotrash! :D Just wish we saw more of him as he was fun to watch.

    One thing that really bothered me was the quality of the actual film itself. It was ridiculously grainy or very blurry in parts, like as if you were watching a badly compressed BRrip stretched out onto the big screen. Was most evident when Stallone and the Asian girl were talking in the bar / hotel while everyone slept, it was absolutely piss-poor looking.

    Anyways, this film was cliched, formulaic, cheesy, had woeful acting, was as smart as a brick, had a fair bit of completely unneeded CGI but, by God, it was a load of fun. Honestly was one of the most fun experiences I've had in the cinema this year. I walked out of the 1st film really disappointed, but yesterday I walked out of this with a big daft "I love the 80's" grin on my face :pac:


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,013 ✭✭✭SirLemonhead


    Duggy747 wrote: »

    One thing that really bothered me was the quality of the actual film itself. It was ridiculously grainy or very blurry in parts, like as if you were watching a badly compressed BRrip stretched out onto the big screen. Was most evident when Stallone and the Asian girl were talking in the bar / hotel while everyone slept, it was absolutely piss-poor looking.

    It looked to me like post-filming zooming causing that loss of quality. A lot like what went on with Predator.


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,881 ✭✭✭WHIP IT!


    Duggy747 wrote: »

    One thing that really bothered me was the quality of the actual film itself. It was ridiculously grainy or very blurry in parts, like as if you were watching a badly compressed BRrip stretched out onto the big screen. Was most evident when Stallone and the Asian girl were talking in the bar / hotel while everyone slept, it was absolutely piss-poor looking.

    It looked to me like post-filming zooming causing that loss of quality. A lot like what went on with Predator.

    What went on with Predator?


  • Registered Users Posts: 13,295 ✭✭✭✭Duggy747


    WHIP IT! wrote: »
    What went on with Predator?

    Dillon had cooked up a story and dropped the six of them in a meatgrinder.

    Or he probably means that the shot footage was magnified causing the grain that's throughout that film. In E2, though, it was really horrific.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,330 ✭✭✭niallon


    Thank god for that, thought it was IMC and I was getting pi*sed I hadn't asked for a refund! Start of the movie that ADR on Lundgren was horrific, then throughout the focus kept slipping, culminating in that horrific scene between Stallone and herself. Would wanna be fixed on Blu Ray or ill have an incomplete collection!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 22,905 ✭✭✭✭Handsome Bob


    As bad as the first one, with the action providing more comedy than the actual one liners. Delivery of dialogue was as poor as it was last time and I couldn't understand half of what Stallone and Lundgren were saying.

    The action couldn't be faulted and was of course the highlight of the film, and I was impressed with how the character of Billy was dealt with and how it served the overall story. Arnie's scenes were priceless too, though I didn't like all the wink wink nudge nudge nods to both his and Willis' previous roles.

    But all in all, what a pile of ****e.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 921 ✭✭✭Border-Rat


    I watched this and The Avengers pretty close together. I noticed a few things. Firstly, this movie gets torn apart for being too gratuitous, having no plot, bad acting and no character development. Then you have The Avengers - and its just an example. There's a movie with no story, wooden acting, no character development and a complete overkill of chaotic CGI. I'm not sure how anyone can argue otherwise. In the first ten minutes of The Avengers, a reference is made to Loki invading Earth - who by the way, you know nothing about if you haven't seen 'Thor'. For the next 110 minutes, there is no plot - only a chain-reaction of CGI-ridden battles. They finally pick up on the 'story' again in the last 15 minutes - with an eye-melting barrage of CGI crap.

    I wondered how such a vacuous film could be so well received. It put it down to the problem of meta-ratings. No critic these days wants to be the odd one out on the likes of Rotten Tomatoes. When the first reviewer to call the Avengers for what it is did so - she was on the receiving end of a torrent of abuse. Some reviewers for the Dark Knight Rises even got death threats. Its conformity gone mad - and that applies to people on forums etc, 'film-buffs' who ridicule the like of this movie and laud over other movie with the same problems.

    You can generally tell a lot about someones taste in movies when he takes shots (Cliched ones) at an easy target. I also love how people go into a movie like this and come out whining that it wasn't the Godfather. Point just flies over their head I guess, film buffs that they are.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 921 ✭✭✭Border-Rat


    As bad as the first one, with the action providing more comedy than the actual one liners. Delivery of dialogue was as poor as it was last time and I couldn't understand half of what Stallone and Lundgren were saying.

    The action couldn't be faulted and was of course the highlight of the film, and I was impressed with how the character of Billy was dealt with and how it served the overall story. Arnie's scenes were priceless too, though I didn't like all the wink wink nudge nudge nods to both his and Willis' previous roles.

    But all in all, what a pile of ****e.

    This is a pile o ****e, yet you deem The Avengers and Captain America - two utterly vacuous toy adverts 'good films'?


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 35,941 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    Border-Rat wrote: »
    I watched this and The Avengers pretty close together. I noticed a few things. Firstly, this movie gets torn apart for being too gratuitous, having no plot, bad acting and no character development.
    By who? I'm sorry but nobody I've read or spoken to have complained about bad acting or characterisation. Nobody's that thick. Most perspectives have complained that for a blatent nostalgia trip, clearly tipping its cap towards the 80s action movie, the first film - and to a lesser extent the sequel - were dull & flat by the genre's own standards.
    Border-Rat wrote: »
    Then you have The Avengers - and its just an example. There's a movie with no story, wooden acting, no character development and a complete overkill of chaotic CGI. I'm not sure how anyone can argue otherwise. In the first ten minutes of The Avengers, a reference is made to Loki invading Earth - who by the way, you know nothing about if you haven't seen 'Thor'.

    In fairness, The Avengers clearly marketed itself as a team-up for a sequence of superhero movies that came before. Saying that Loki wasn't given enough introduction is like complaining Harry Potter #123 didn't recap for those joining the party late. And with respect, whatever else Avengers wasn't, it was very well written in the dialogue & banter stakes; and I certainly don't get the 'wooden acting' bit. Stallone's script was pretty poor for good one-liners. Predator or Commando it isn't.
    Border-Rat wrote: »
    For the next 110 minutes, there is no plot - only a chain-reaction of CGI-ridden battles. They finally pick up on the 'story' again in the last 15 minutes - with an eye-melting barrage of CGI crap.
    Like Expendables 2 then. This film was riddled with CGI crap too, and with less excuse for doing so at that. It wasn't used to portray an alien invasion, but helicopters, planes & tanks doing their thang. Why we needed bad CGI for that I don't know.
    Border-Rat wrote: »
    You can generally tell a lot about someones taste in movies when he takes shots (Cliched ones) at an easy target. I also love how people go into a movie like this and come out whining that it wasn't the Godfather. Point just flies over their head I guess, film buffs that they are.

    Again, Nobody's whining it wasn't The Godfather, leave personal insults & anti-intellectualism out of this. Some people didn't like The Expendables - play the ball, not the man and don't try and turn this into some form of 'us versus them'. The Expandables 2 was better than #1 but still had some serious faults - until the last third I was as bored as I was in the first film - and that's criticising from within the genre itself, not from some apparent ivory-tower snob perspective that you're fantasising about.


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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 29,189 CMod ✭✭✭✭johnny_ultimate


    Meh Godfather's only OK anyway. I expect Battleship Potemkin or better from all my action movies.

    Going to see this probably tomorrow. Expectations are as low as they can go. We'll see.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 22,905 ✭✭✭✭Handsome Bob


    Border-Rat wrote: »

    You can generally tell a lot about someones taste in movies when he takes shots (Cliched ones) at an easy target. I also love how people go into a movie like this and come out whining that it wasn't the Godfather. Point just flies over their head I guess, film buffs that they are.

    I hold this film and it's predecessor to the standards of not the Godfather, but those of a similar genre. Basically, damn good action films such as Die Hard, Predator, Lethal Weapon, Rambo, Terminator 2, True Lies etc etc...and compared to those, this film is awful. It tries to emulate these films but gets it wrong in almost every way.


  • Posts: 15,814 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    The only 'developed' character was Statham's... let's not even talk about that.

    Lack of fully formed characters is to be expected from a film such as this but I expected a little more for Van Damme. After the excellent J.C.V.D. and his refusal to feature in the first Expendables I had hoped he was holding out for a well written role but that wasn't to be. He was still a fun villain but after the acting ability he's shown in recent years, not just J.C.V.D. but in Until Death, Wake of Death and last years Assassiantion Games I really was looking forward to him getting a role he could sink his teeth into and show just what he is capeable of.

    The great thing about both Van Damme and Lundgren is that unlike Seagal they actively tried to make decent films when trapped in the direct to DVD rut. Lundgren started writing and directing his own films and did a damn fine job for the most part. Van Damme went out of his way to find roles where he was doing more than simply kicking people in the face and even helped get Scott Adkins career up and running which I'm eternally grateful to him for.

    Hopefully the third entry in the series will see a little more thought and effort put into the script. And lets pray that Cage, Eastwood and Russell sign on as much as I enjoyed seeing Arnie and Bruce onscreen together there's only so much of their banter that you can take. I'd love to see Bill Paxton offered a role aswell as Michael Dudikoff, Olivier Gruner, Shô Kosugi and Tony Jaa get in on the action.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,731 ✭✭✭FrostyJack


    Considering that Norris is little more than a joke at this stage so it may have been the case that no one cared enough to put in the effort.

    Yeah I thought he was the weak point of the movie (yes I know, I know) relatively speaking. His first scene was crap. I was wondering when they said the swearing was toned down because of his conservative beliefs, was that to get a lower age cert i.e. bigger audience. How in a film where over 100 people get killed, many with their head exploding or chopped off, can you say swearing is against your Christian values? Though I have been watching some tv in America the last few weeks and it makes the mind boggle. I was watching Casino and they blocked out ALL the swearing from the movie (that is a lot) but they left the scene where 2 guys are beaten savagely to death with baseball bats and buried alive. Under seige was on last night and "son of a bitch" was blocked and worst of all the "cake scene" was blurred but a guy shot in the head was left in, go figure.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 34,541 CMod ✭✭✭✭CiDeRmAn


    Norris was awful.
    Rob Schneider in Judge Dredd awful, we need an edit without him!!!

    My gods, the constant winking at 80's action movies was so lame, I mean funny at first but by the time we get to the airport it was palm slaps to face.

    Jet Li seemed to be channeling a not yet dead Jackie Chan in his big scene and it was magnificent!

    Dolph was way underused, just a lunking moron despite repeatedly being told, by other characters, how smart he really was, after his great turn in the original, this was pitiful.

    Also, Randy Couture was underused, had few lines and, despite kicking ass in the last one, got one gag pointed at his cauliflower ears and that was it, disappointing.


    Michael Wincott NEEDS to be in the next one, the bad guy or the guy on the team who turns out to be a bad guy, he is so cool!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 222 ✭✭ryaner1979


    Thought the first one was better myself. Enjoyable but expected more 6/10 for me


  • Registered Users Posts: 34,788 ✭✭✭✭krudler


    Expendables 2, godawful script, horrible effects, woeful acting, tired nods to past franchises.

    I loved it :pac:


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 29,189 CMod ✭✭✭✭johnny_ultimate


    Wow: this is the most appallingly directed film I've seen in a long time. And I mean even for what it is. I'm not expecting Terence Malick, but I sure as hell am expecting shots to be in ****ing focus. Technically inept to the extreme - awful lighting, massive shifts in quality between individual shots (with some looking like they were filmed on a camcorder), dreadful special effects (the opening segment was particularly poorly rendered)... Come on guys, this stuff isn't that difficult. Just looked amateurish, which is wholly unusual for a film of this scale. If they were going for that cheap look, well they didn't succeed in making it amusingly bad. This was just shoddy. I can't believe Darko is the only other person to mention the out-of-focus stuff. I was baffled at how many times shots were blurry as hell - and it definitely wasn't the projector, as other shots were fine.

    Aside from that, it was a tad better than the first. Just a tad. Mostly for the bit with Willis and Arnie committing mass genocide while driving a car through an airport terminal. Chuck Norris was funny too. And Stallone's increasingly diminished ability to speak is always good for a laugh (example: MUMBLE MUMBLE GET UP MUMBLE MUMBLE). It did a slightly better job at emulating the style of film its inspired by. Still piss poor though. Dull as dishwasher for huge amounts of the running time. One-liners fell flat on their face repeatedly, with some barely even making sense. Most of the cast are wasted (especially the non Statham / Stallone Expendables). Action scenes with no verve, editing flair or even sense of basic geography. It has a few cheap laughs in it, but it's a production that feels... compromised. Rambo remains the definitely balls out retro throwback of recent times, by a huge distance. This is crap - slightly less crap than its predecessor, but crap nonetheless. The Raid this most certainly isn't.

    But man... that direction. ****ing Simon West and whoever the cinematographer was - shameful stuff.


  • Registered Users Posts: 34,788 ✭✭✭✭krudler


    so it wasnt just the projector in the cinema on the blink then, the picture quality is AWFUL in this, it looks like what netflix does when your internet goes on the blink or a poor quality youtube vid at times.

    dunno why there was so much crappy cgi, it had a 100million dollar budget ffs. the cgi blood, ok I can get over that, but a cgi tank? cgi helicopters? dtv movies from the 80's had bigger effects than this.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 29,189 CMod ✭✭✭✭johnny_ultimate


    There was a wide shot near the start when the Expendables were outside the warehouse - it literally looked like Stallone was hastily photoshopped in. There was an explosion just before it when the smoke was laughably bad too. Genuinely some of the worst CGI I've seen. Even the 'rest in pieces' bit looked dreadful. Squibs for life.

    There's just no excuse for the picture quality in this. I know some - most? - won't care, but it was distracting for the duration. The quality even within individual scenes was massively variable. A downright ugly film throughout - and I'm not just talking about the rugged action stars arf arf.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 34,788 ✭✭✭✭krudler


    I definitely noticed it, figured it was just the projector, there was huge differences between one shot to the next in some parts, it was like streaming video that hadnt caught up, artefacting all over the gaff. the action itself is all over the place too, I get that this is a throwback to cheesy 80's action movies, but stuff like Die Hard and the Terminator movies had superbly shot action scenes in them as well as funny quips. It is possible to make a throwback movie that actually stands on its own as being good and competently made.

    Look how well made The Raid was on a fraction of the budget of this, its equally as devoid of plot but was ten times the fun this was.

    oh and everyone looks so oooooold, Van Damme looks like a waxwork. and nearly everyone had ridiculously white teeth, the hell was that about? dentures? :pac:


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,700 ✭✭✭Raoul


    krudler wrote: »
    Expendables 2, godawful script, horrible effects, woeful acting, tired nods to past franchises.

    I loved it :pac:

    It knew exactly what it was and delivered. I loved it too


  • Registered Users Posts: 34,788 ✭✭✭✭krudler


    Raoul wrote: »
    It knew exactly what it was and delivered. I loved it too

    Its a terrible film, but I knew that going in.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,073 ✭✭✭mickoneill30


    I enjoyed the first one. I saw the second one last night. I found it boring. Very simple or little story and wave after wave of bad guys coming in the action scenes. I didn't find it exciting. If it's a parody of the action films of the 80 / 90s then it does that well.

    When Billy explained how he was going to retire meant you could see from about 6 miles away what was coming. I'm going to retire from this really, really, really dangerous job as I have loadsamoney. But I'll work till the end of the month :D
    Good man Billy. You're dead.

    I thought the Arnie "I'm baaaack" lines are getting a well old. It was so funny we had that line twice in the film. We also had "Yippie Kay Aye", "you'll be terminated" and a Chuck Norris joke from Chuck Norris. I was expecting Van Damme to do his split (tm)

    It probably is that I'm just getting old. I like action films but I may be too used to the higher quality ones we're getting these days.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,732 ✭✭✭sxt


    The Expendables 2

    1 star out of 5

    http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/theticket/2012/0817/1224322293712.html
    WHEN SYLVESTER Stallone released the first Expendables two years ago, one sensed the world nodding tolerantly, as if at an elderly relative doing a very tired party trick. It was badly carried off. It seemed to go on for an eternity. But we grew up with the old geezer. Give him a break.

    The time has come for such tolerance to end. The Expendables was a terrible, terrible film. It’s hard to say if the sequel – during which geriatrics blow up various bits of central Asia – is significantly worse. But it certainly feels creepier, stupider and more depressingly reactionary.


    Why have we been indulging these Republican sexagenarians with their plastic faces and swallowed vowels? If you stood in The Expendables 2, you wouldn’t just wipe your feet; you’d throw away your shoes. The thing is beyond execrable.

    Stallone has handed directing duties to Simon West, perpetrator of Con Air, who, despite having a respectable budget, has chosen to shoot the film in the shades of muddy grey you’d expect to find in promotional videos for Ukrainian paint-balling holidays.

    We begin with a largely incoherent sequence following Stallone and his team as they prise a Chinese businessman from ruthless kidnappers. Keep an ear open and you will catch a pre-emptory warning of dialogue atrocities to come. After dropping the rescued unfortunate by parachute, somebody makes a remark about Chinese takeout. Really? Are you actually saying these words? Worse is to come.

    In the opening half hour we meet most of the returning action duffers: Dolph Lundgren, Bruce Willis, Arnold Schwarzenegger, Jason Statham. Further down the line, Chuck Norris and Jean-Claude Van Damme also make appearances.


    It would be wrong to say the film is without irony. But the film-makers speak that language in much the same way the proverbial English tourist speaks Spanish. That is to say it discordantly bellows the wrong phrases in all the wrong places to all the wrong people.

    Stallone, who co-wrote the script, knows that some sort of self-conscious humour is required, but he doesn’t have the turn of phrase for that endeavour. The supposedly clever references sound like the kind of things fans shout at the stars in the street before asking them for a photograph.

    Early on, somebody lends Schwarzenegger a gun. “If I don’t get that back you’ll be terminated,” he is told. Later on, he returns and quips (you’re way ahead of me) “I’m back”. Willis has to listen to some reference to “yippie-kay-yay”. The makers of the Scary Movie franchise worked harder at turning references into functioning jokes.

    The plot comprises a series of MacGuffins so perfunctory that they cease to matter even before their purposes have been properly outlined. Pursuing a haul of plutonium, the gang of mercenaries – now augmented by a tough young female, played by Yu Nan – head for the former Soviet Union, where they encounter a fake version of New York City and a more-than-usually superhuman version of Chuck Norris.

    The shoddiness of the plot and the laziness of the action sequences would matter less if the lead actors weren’t so heavily and creepily embalmed.

    Never a master of clean diction, the only intermittently comprehensible Stallone now speaks as if he is trying to remove a wad of rapidly drying putty from the roof of his mouth. If (as we were constantly told) Schwarzenegger is so darn clever, why has he allowed some maniac to rearrange his face into a scary, immobile wax sculpture of the Austrian hulk in early middle age?


    All that said, you couldn’t claim The Expendables 2 didn’t pass the time. Whereas the first film bored more often than it appalled, the new picture is occasionally bad enough to be accidentally hilarious. But we really shouldn’t laugh. Old Uncle Sly really is doing his best.

    It seems more of a complete snide commentary than a review? Snide commentary in black, not saying that alot of what he says is fair to say if he is comparing to Godfather 2! , the reviewer completely missed the whole point of the movie , in the first place?

    Do you think this was a "Fair" review ?


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 35,941 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    Not really, it's just one review in a sea of many, why highlight and paste that one in particular? It's heavy-handed and hardly unbiased, but I'd agree with many of the points raised: the direction was pretty god-awful the more I thought about it; Stallone was barely understandable & himself and Arnie both look dreadful, for all their expensive attempts to cheat the aging process (at least Willis is happy to play his age these days); the humour ... well, wasn't & like the review said, the one-liners meant to shoutout to previous films weren't particularly clever.

    Spent the evening in tonight & Die Hard 2 was on the telly. Now as poor a sequel as #2 was, it's leaps and bounds above Expendables 2: the action's solid; the plot fairly rattles along at a brisk pace; the one-liners are funny & fairly quotable. Frankly, once you actually watch the films Exp2 is trying to cash in on, it's hard to take seriously any suggestion that we should cut Stallones movie a break.


  • Registered Users Posts: 34,788 ✭✭✭✭krudler


    I like Die Hard 2 :pac: , With A Vengeance is great as well.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 35,941 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    sxt wrote: »
    How would you rate that particular movie review?
    Uhm, I did. In the text you just quoted.

    It's an honest review, why does it annoy you and feel it's worth bringing up? The reviewer thought the film was garbage & had a bit of a go at it. Big whoop; I've read worse reviews, about better films, written by perfectly respectable people on this very forum :pac:


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,732 ✭✭✭sxt


    pixelburp wrote: »
    Uhm, I did. In the text you just quoted.

    It's an honest review, why does it annoy you and feel it's worth bringing up? The reviewer thought the film was garbage & had a bit of a go at it. I've read worse reviews, about better films, written by perfectly respectable people on this very forum :pac:

    It was an honest review. Was it a fair review in your opinion ?


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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 29,189 CMod ✭✭✭✭johnny_ultimate


    sxt wrote: »
    It was an honest review. Was it a fair review in your opinion ?

    He answered that twice already :confused:

    I think it was completely fair. Films like this tend to get a free pass from a lot of viewers just because of what it is - as if a film with all these cast members can't possibly be awful, even on its own terms. I thought it was pretty abysmal too, and would agree with most of The Irish Times review. Technically shoddy, poorly directed, largely unfunny, bland action (barring Willis and Arnie in the little car)... And not so awful it was brilliant, just kind of awful. Not a patch on Rambo.


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