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  • #782
    Anan1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,815 ✭✭✭✭Anan1


    Stark wrote: »
    You need to understand that using illegal tactics to enforce one's rules for the sake of convenience isn't the car park owner's call to make. No point in crying that someone removed your clamp without paying when you're the one in the wrong.
    Private clamping isn't illegal.
    robbie7730 wrote: »
    So a driver who finds themselves without change, and goes to get some, is disrespecting the car park owner? Madness.
    If you want to park in a private car park then you need to display a valid ticket. It's not complicated.


  • #783
    Drummerboy08
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,102 ✭✭✭✭Drummerboy08


    Wexfordian wrote: »
    Why do people keep quoting the RTA and glossing over the words "or reasonable cause"?

    I don't think that leaving your car in a car park for a period of time in order to go and get money to pay for the parking is reasonable cause to prevent the vehicle from being moved anywhere.

    That's why I didn't mention it in this case.


  • #784
    Bruthal
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,422 ✭✭✭✭Bruthal


    Anan1 wrote: »
    If you want to park in a private car park then you need to display a valid ticket. It's not complicated.

    O, you think I`m having difficulty understanding you`re sentence there?

    Its the OP going off to get money to pay for the parking, but this means he has no respect for the owner, that i am having difficulty with.


  • #785
    BUBBLE WRAP
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,186 ✭✭✭BUBBLE WRAP


    Anan1 wrote: »
    Private clamping isn't illegal.If you want to park in a private car park then you need to display a valid ticket. It's not complicated.

    Are you a clamper?


  • #786
    hondasam
    Closed Accounts Posts: 34,418 ✭✭✭✭hondasam


    Stark wrote: »
    The point of providing the parking isn't that you make money off the parking, it's to bring customers to your shop. Presumably the charge is to stop people from abusing the parking and parking all day then heading to work or whatever. Missing out on a parking fee because your customer was fast in and out of your shop shouldn't be your primary concern.

    Was the op going shopping in a shop there? I don't know the area so have no idea what shops are there.


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  • #787
    Anan1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,815 ✭✭✭✭Anan1


    Drummerboy08 wrote: »
    I don't think that leaving your car in a car park for a period of time in order to go and get money to pay for the parking is reasonable cause to prevent the vehicle from being moved anywhere.

    That's why I didn't mention it in this case.
    As Guy:Incognito said earlier, if a minimum grace period isn't signposted then you have to assume that there isn't one and decide whether or not to use the car park on that basis. That's the theoretical position - in practice i'd assume 5 mins, but i'd be keeping an eye on the car until I had the ticket.


  • #788
    Anan1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,815 ✭✭✭✭Anan1


    robbie7730 wrote: »
    O, you think I`m having difficulty understanding you`re sentence there?

    Its the OP going off to get money to pay for the parking, but this means he has no respect for the owner, that i am having difficulty with.
    If you respect the owner then you follow their rules when in their car park. If their rules are that you display a ticket when parked then that's what you do.


  • #789
    Drummerboy08
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,102 ✭✭✭✭Drummerboy08


    Anan1 wrote: »
    As Guy:Incognito said earlier, if a minimum grace period isn't signposted then you have to assume that there isn't one and decide whether or not to use the car park on that basis. That's the theoretical position - in practice i'd assume 5 mins, but i'd be keeping an eye on the car until I had the ticket.

    But the question is what is reasonable cause to clamp a car? You're idea of reasonable and mine are two different things obviously, which once more brings us back to the point of needing legislation.....until this happens it's a free for all.


  • #790
    squod
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,704 ✭✭✭squod


    Anan1 wrote: »
    If you respect the owner then you follow their rules when in their car park. If their rules are that you display a ticket when parked then that's what you do.

    If the public have access to the car park you obey the law. Simples.


  • #791
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 5,334 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Well its no wonder the shops are closing down in Naas town, they are deliberately driving shoppers away with their parking policies.
    Keep it up and it will become a ghost town.


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  • #792
    Anan1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,815 ✭✭✭✭Anan1


    Drummerboy08 wrote: »
    But the question is what is reasonable cause to clamp a car? You're idea of reasonable and mine are two different things obviously, which once more brings us back to the point of needing legislation.....until this happens it's a free for all.
    Are they that different? Doesn't it essentially come down to the clearly signposted rules of the landowner?
    squod wrote: »
    If the public have access to the car park you obey the law. Simples.
    You do know that private clamping isn't illegal?


  • #793
    BUBBLE WRAP
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,186 ✭✭✭BUBBLE WRAP


    Anan1 wrote: »
    Are they that different? Doesn't it essentially come down to the clearly signposted rules of the landowner?You do know that private clamping isn't illegal?

    Why are you ignoring my post thats directed at you? :confused:

    I find that disrespectful tbh. :mad:


  • #794
    squod
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,704 ✭✭✭squod


    Anan1 wrote: »
    Are they that different? Doesn't it essentially come down to the clearly signposted rules of the landowner?You do know that private clamping isn't illegal?

    We've been over this. It's illegal and you know it. Signposts do not equal contracts.


  • #795
    Wexfordian
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 347 ✭✭Wexfordian


    Drummerboy08 wrote: »
    I don't think that leaving your car in a car park for a period of time in order to go and get money to pay for the parking is reasonable cause to prevent the vehicle from being moved anywhere.

    That's why I didn't mention it in this case.

    Bear in mind that the clamper doesn't necessarily know its been 2 min 20 min or an hour. It could have been several hours since they checked that car park. The circumstances of how the car came to be there without a ticket are neither here nor there, the question is Is it reasonable cause to clamp a car if it is on private property without permission. In most Common Law countries the answer would seem to normally be yes (taking into account some countries will have specific laws, others working on precedent from common law decisions). However Ireland seems an odd one out. Interesting article here:

    http://www.lawsociety.ie/Documents/Gazette/Gazette%202011/march2011.pdf

    The suggestion here is that in Ireland, no sign restricting anything on private land is enforcable unless there is a law to back it up.

    Which seems strange.


  • #796
    Bruthal
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,422 ✭✭✭✭Bruthal


    Anan1 wrote: »
    If you respect the owner then you follow their rules when in their car park. If their rules are that you display a ticket when parked then that's what you do.



    So, judging from you`re posts, a driver with change in his car has respect for a car park owner, a driver with no change does not.

    Or does this lack of respect only appear when a driver takes too long trying his best to get money to pay the big car park owner who we should bow to with awe?

    So if you take 5 minutes, its respect, 10 minutes, you have no respect.

    So if you go to the parking meter and get hit by a bus and so dont make it to pay, you again have no respect for the car park owner.

    The respect should be reserved for the lads that removed the clamp.


  • #797
    Anan1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,815 ✭✭✭✭Anan1


    squod wrote: »
    We've been over this. It's illegal and you know it. Signposts do not equal contracts.
    I've heard claims that it's illegal, but i've yet to see anyone back them up. Can you back up your claim that private clamping is illegal?


  • #798
    squod
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,704 ✭✭✭squod


    Anan1 wrote: »
    I've heard claims that it's illegal, but i've yet to see anyone back them up. Can you back up your claim that private clamping is illegal?

    Oh FFS. You're posting on here longer than I am. Go look up the last hundred threads.


  • #799
    Wexfordian
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 347 ✭✭Wexfordian


    BUBBLE WRAP wrote: »
    Are you a clamper?

    In fairness Anan categorically and at length stated he isn't and never has been a clamper, I think in direct reply to one of your posts.


  • #800
    Anan1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,815 ✭✭✭✭Anan1


    robbie7730 wrote: »
    So, judging from you`re posts, a driver with change in his car has respect for a car park owner, a driver with no change does not.
    If I want to buy a newspaper, I bring money. If I want to park my car, I bring change. I don't leave the car without a ticket and head off for 20 mins.
    robbie7730 wrote: »
    Or does this lack of respect only appear when a driver takes too long trying his best to get money to pay the big car park owner who we should bow to with awe?

    So if you take 5 minutes, its respect, 10 minutes, you have no respect.

    So if you go to the parking meter and get hit by a bus and so dont make it to pay, you again have no respect for the car park owner.
    Sorry, but I don't know what you're talking about here.


  • #801
    Anan1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,815 ✭✭✭✭Anan1


    squod wrote: »
    Oh FFS. You're posting on here longer than I am. Go look up the last hundred threads.
    Like I said, i've never seen anyone present evidence that private clamping is illegal. I've seen S.113 misquoted many times, but that's about the size of it. Can you show me that it's illegal, as opposed to just telling me?


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  • #802
    Stark
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,199 ✭✭✭✭Stark


    Anan1 wrote: »
    squod wrote: »
    Oh FFS. You're posting on here longer than I am. Go look up the last hundred threads.
    Like I said, i've never seen anyone present evidence that private clamping is illegal. I've seen S.113 misquoted many times, but that's about the size of it. Can you show me that it's illegal, as opposed to just telling me?

    Why don't you read the law society article that I posted twice


  • #803
    Bruthal
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,422 ✭✭✭✭Bruthal


    Anan1 wrote: »
    If I want to buy a newspaper, I bring money. If I want to park my car, I bring change. I don't leave the car without a ticket and head off for 20 mins.
    No, I don`t suppose you do.
    Sorry, but I don't know what you're talking about here.
    No, I still don`t suppose you do.


  • #804
    Anan1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,815 ✭✭✭✭Anan1


    Stark wrote: »
    Why don't you read the law society article that I posted twice
    I did.


  • #805
    BUBBLE WRAP
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,186 ✭✭✭BUBBLE WRAP


    Wexfordian wrote: »
    In fairness Anan categorically and at length stated he isn't and never has been a clamper, I think in direct reply to one of your posts.

    Oh right, i couldnt find it. But its grand. :)


  • #806
    Damie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 341 ✭✭Damie


    Anan1 wrote: »
    robbie7730 wrote: »
    O, you think I`m having difficulty understanding you`re sentence there?

    Its the OP going off to get money to pay for the parking, but this means he has no respect for the owner, that i am having difficulty with.
    If you respect the owner then you follow their rules when in their car park. If their rules are that you display a ticket when parked then that's what you do.
    well you've been warned not to post in this thread again, I await to see the sanction imposed on you, then again, its who you know on this forum by the look of it!


  • #807
    eth0
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,635 ✭✭✭eth0


    There is always one notorious pro-clamping fella in every single thread about clamping who just wont give up and realise that clamping is bad all round and that there isnt a single good thing to say about it.


  • #808
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 23,551 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Damie wrote: »
    .......... I await to see the sanction imposed on you...............

    What visibility do you have on any sanctions imposed on anyone on boards.ie except the banlist? You might be waiting a while to see anything :D


  • #809
    Damie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 341 ✭✭Damie


    RoverJames wrote: »
    Damie wrote: »
    .......... I await to see the sanction imposed on you...............

    What visibility do you have on any sanctions imposed on anyone on boards.ie except the banlist? You might be waiting a while to see anything :D
    Red and yellow cards....


  • #810
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 23,551 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Damie wrote: »
    Red and yellow cards....

    .... so you'll be looking for one to appear at which post? savage strategy in fairness.


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  • #811
    Bruthal
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,422 ✭✭✭✭Bruthal


    Damie wrote: »
    Red and yellow cards....

    There might have been pm`s.


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