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  • #692
    Stark
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,196 ✭✭✭✭Stark


    Guy:Incognito wrote: »
    The peopel that own the estate want the clampers there. If your renting, dont rent somewhere that employs clampers if you dont want to. Theres no shortage of places to rent.

    I moved out of the place I was renting as soon as the contract was up after the problems with the clampers. That you think it's okay for clampers to force people out of their homes speaks volumes. I suppose you work for them?


  • #693
    Anan1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,815 ✭✭✭✭Anan1


    Stark wrote: »
    I'm sure the company you work for are all cuddly and friendly.
    How about you - do you really think that i'm a clamper?
    robbie7730 wrote: »
    Yes but if you have no change, and have to get some, and are delayed getting it, is that flouting the rules? As in intentionally not paying for parking?

    Did the op deliberately not pay to park?
    Of course it is, you can't park without a ticket.


  • #694
    Guy:Incognito
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,244 ✭✭✭✭Guy:Incognito


    Drummerboy08 wrote: »

    IMO, there should be a grace period. Check the car, take note of the time, and details of the car and return 30 minutes later. If the car is still there with no ticket, then clamp away. If a ticket has been bought and is now on display then leave it alone.
    .

    Why though, why not 20 mins? We've already discussed it further back anyway. I've yet to see a situation where the machine is even 5 minutes away from the cars, nevermind 30.

    The landowner could have made them give a grace period but didnt. His land, his rules.


  • #695
    MugMugs
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,875 ✭✭✭✭MugMugs


    Guy:Incognito wrote: »
    MugMugs wrote: »
    And its so cut and dry isn't it? Why should you rent a home on the basis that you could be harrassed by a clamper? Why should you have to avoid them? If I.was renting a home frankly, is there a clamping service in operation would be the last thing going through my mind.

    Who said its on the basis of being harrassed. You dont agree with clamping as a rule, so dont rent a house that employs clampers , why would you?

    Whose to say somebody considers this when renting? How can you justify a company disabling somebody's vehicle contrary toothed road traffic act in a housing estate where they pay their hard earned cash to live?


  • #696
    Drummerboy08
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,102 ✭✭✭✭Drummerboy08


    Anan1 wrote: »
    Drummerboy - Do you honestly think that all clampers are the same, operating from some centralized bunker in the midlands? Has it ever occurred to you that just because you were clamped in the wrong it doesn't necessarily follow that the OP was too?

    Do I honestly think that all private clamping companies are the same? Yes, I do.

    Do I think that they all operate from a centralized bunker in the midlands? No, and it doesn't matter where they operate from.

    I'm not stating that because I was clamped wrongly, that it must mean the OP was too. My opinion of the OP being clamped in the wrong was based on his comments here (mainly of how he was going to the bank to get cash and purchased a parking ticket on his return) and of actually speaking to him on the evening in question. He was a genuine young fella, and I don't think he was out to save himself a few quid on parking that day.


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  • #697
    Stark
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,196 ✭✭✭✭Stark


    Marlow wrote: »
    Well, in this very case both the OP and Drummerboy were clamped by the NCPS. But APCOA are actually worse as can be seen from various threads here and elsewhere.

    I can just about tolerate NCPS but I won't shop anywhere where I see APCOA parking is in operation. No amount of apologists on boards is going to undo that sort of reputational damage.
    Anan1 wrote:
    How about you - do you really think that i'm a clamper?

    I don't know. At least you're not as completely irrational as Guy:Incognito who seems to think it's acceptable to drive people out of their homes or clamp people as they're buying their tickets in the course of one's business.
    Drummerboy08 wrote:
    I'm not stating that because I was clamped wrongly, that it must mean the OP was too. My opinion of the OP being clamped in the wrong was based on his comments here (mainly of how he was going to the bank to get cash and purchased a parking ticket on his return) and of actually speaking to him on the evening in question. He was a genuine young fella, and I don't think he was out to save himself a few quid on parking that day.

    ^^ This

    When you're faced with thugs who will go as far as making it impossible to live in certain areas without paying the equivalent of protection money then standing up to them is simply the right thing to do regardless of whether you feel individual victims deserved it or not.


  • #698
    Guy:Incognito
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,244 ✭✭✭✭Guy:Incognito


    Stark wrote: »
    I moved out of the place I was renting as soon as the contract was up after the problems with the clampers. That you think it's okay for clampers to force people out of their homes speaks volumes. I suppose you work for them?

    Ah here. Force people from their homes? Theyre not the bloody black and tans. You do like the dramatics dont you?

    Well you like to throw things out anyway, not so quick when proven wrong......


  • #699
    Anan1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,815 ✭✭✭✭Anan1


    MugMugs wrote: »
    Whose to say somebody considers this when renting?
    If i'm paying rent for a parking space then i'll want to know exactly what i'm paying for. Wouldn't you?


  • #700
    BUBBLE WRAP
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,186 ✭✭✭BUBBLE WRAP


    Anan1 wrote: »
    Is this a serious question?.
    BUBBLE WRAP wrote: »
    Is that your way of dodging the quistion?

    Or are you going to answer it?

    So, are you going to answer it?


  • #701
    MugMugs
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,875 ✭✭✭✭MugMugs


    Anan1 wrote: »
    MugMugs wrote: »
    Whose to say somebody considers this when renting?
    If i'm paying rent for a parking space then i'll want to know exactly what i'm paying for. Wouldn't you?

    You haven't answered my question :)


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  • #702
    Guy:Incognito
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,244 ✭✭✭✭Guy:Incognito


    MugMugs wrote: »
    Whose to say somebody considers this when renting? How can you justify a company disabling somebody's vehicle contrary toothed road traffic act in a housing estate where they pay their hard earned cash to live?

    Surely if your renting somewhere and have a car , it would be high on the list? Especially when you go to see it and theres no driveway, signs up saying clamping in operation and the owner tells you you need a permit.


  • #703
    Marlow
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,555 ✭✭✭✭Marlow


    Guy:Incognito wrote: »
    Ah here. Force people from their homes? Theyre not the bloody black and tans.

    Yes they are.

    /M


  • #704
    Bruthal
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,422 ✭✭✭✭Bruthal


    Anan1 wrote: »
    Of course it is, you can't park without a ticket.

    It seems more likely that you need to park to then go and get a ticket. If the intention is genuinely there to get a ticket, but there is a delay, then the person would not seem to be flouting the rules.


  • #705
    MugMugs
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,875 ✭✭✭✭MugMugs


    Guy:Incognito wrote: »
    MugMugs wrote: »
    Whose to say somebody considers this when renting? How can you justify a company disabling somebody's vehicle contrary toothed road traffic act in a housing estate where they pay their hard earned cash to live?

    Surely if your renting somewhere and have a car , it would be high on the list? Especially when you go to see it and theres no driveway, signs up saying clamping in operation and the owner tells you you need a permit.

    You.haven't answered my question.


  • #706
    Guy:Incognito
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,244 ✭✭✭✭Guy:Incognito


    Marlow wrote: »
    Yes they are.

    /M

    :rolleyes: You've properly lost it now. Was poor stark burnt out of his home by the clampers and murdered on the road?


  • #707
    Stark
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,196 ✭✭✭✭Stark


    Guy:Incognito wrote: »
    :rolleyes: You've properly lost it now. Was poor stark burnt out of his home by the clampers and murdered on the road?

    Simply wanted to live somewhere where I didn't have to worry about waking up and having my property interfered with. You're the one who considers it justifiable for them to behave exactly how they like because people should just move out if they don't like it. Fact is I had a right to park outside my home and they violated that right.


  • #708
    Marlow
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,555 ✭✭✭✭Marlow


    Guy:Incognito wrote: »
    :rolleyes: You've properly lost it now. Was poor stark burnt out of his home by the clampers and murdered on the road?

    It's quite simple. What they do and how they operate is harrasment and bullying. That equals exactly that. Illegal or not, they cause an extreme amount of hassle.

    And take the example of where you move into a place, then the management company decides during your lease to employ them. That will give you no choice prior renting. Hence if there is no solution, you're driven out of your home at the end of your term.

    /M


  • #709
    Guy:Incognito
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,244 ✭✭✭✭Guy:Incognito


    MugMugs wrote: »
    You.haven't answered my question.

    Its a private estate and the landowners set the rules, I've been quite clear on that through the thread. Your free to not rent there. I doubt they'd be long there if they were wreckign the house and the owner came round either, despite paying their hard earned cash to live there.

    I have no issue with clampers. As Anan said, theres no issue with regulating it. It will mean that peopel are required by law to pay clampign fees then though.


  • #710
    Guy:Incognito
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,244 ✭✭✭✭Guy:Incognito


    Stark wrote: »
    Simply wanted to live somewhere where I didn't have to worry about waking up and having my property interfered with. You're the one who considers it justifiable for them to behave exactly how they like because people should just move out if they don't like it.

    Your just going to keep ignoring the thing with the NCT arent you? Your no less wrong by not acknowledging it.


    they are behavign how the owners want them to, clamping people without permits. If some are acting wrongly and not following the rules, that doesnt change that. You get that in every job and just have to try root it out.


  • #711
    Drummerboy08
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,102 ✭✭✭✭Drummerboy08


    Guy:Incognito wrote: »
    Why though, why not 20 mins? We've already discussed it further back anyway. I've yet to see a situation where the machine is even 5 minutes away from the cars, nevermind 30.

    The landowner could have made them give a grace period but didnt. His land, his rules.

    OK, twenty minutes it is, it doesn't really matter what the grace period is once it gives the driver a chance to get money and pay for parking.

    His land, his rules, fair enough. So we're into a civil matter then, and not a criminal matter.

    Show me the contract that I have agreed to allow my vehicle to be clamped in a privately owned carpark if I fail to pay for parking.

    Show me specifically where it says that I, the driver of this vehicle accept that by not paying to park on this property agree to allow my vehicle to be immobilised.

    That's right, there isn't one. This is why the whole private clamping issue is not fair at present.

    There is also the other fact to consider, that a private clamper is flirting dangerously with breaching section 113 of the RTA.


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  • #712
    Stark
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,196 ✭✭✭✭Stark


    Guy:Incognito wrote: »
    Its a private estate and the landowners set the rules, I've been quite clear on that through the thread. Your free to not rent there. I doubt they'd be long there if they were wreckign the house and the owner came round either, despite paying their hard earned cash to live there.

    And you can't get it through your thick skull that harassing behaviour that turns estates into no go areas is wrong.


  • #713
    Guy:Incognito
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,244 ✭✭✭✭Guy:Incognito


    Drummerboy08 wrote: »
    OK, twenty minutes it is, it doesn't really matter what the grace period is once it gives the driver a chance to get money and pay for parking.
    .

    Getting money doesnt come in to it. Enough to go from the car to the machine for the ticket and back. The fact you arrive without the money isnt the car parks fault.


  • #714
    Anan1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,815 ✭✭✭✭Anan1


    Drummerboy08 wrote: »
    Do I honestly think that all private clamping companies are the same? Yes, I do.
    That's a bit ridiculous, if you don't mind my saying so.
    Drummerboy08 wrote: »
    I'm not stating that because I was clamped wrongly, that it must mean the OP was too. My opinion of the OP being clamped in the wrong was based on his comments here (mainly of how he was going to the bank to get cash and purchased a parking ticket on his return) and of actually speaking to him on the evening in question. He was a genuine young fella, and I don't think he was out to save himself a few quid on parking that day.
    That's not what you said a few minutes ago:
    Drummerboy08 wrote: »
    I got involved in removing this clamp earlier in the week, because I don't agree with how clampers go about their work. Not because the OP could or couldn't afford the parking ticket. I couldn't care less about that.
    Marlow wrote: »
    Matter of fact, yes.

    /M
    It says a lot about your thought processes that you assume that anyone defending the need for clamping must themselves be a clamper. No, i'm not a clamper, and i have never been employed either directly or indirectly by any firm that has anything to do with clamping. I believe that clamping is a necessary evil foisted on us by people who need to be coerced into respecting the rights of others.


  • #715
    Marlow
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,555 ✭✭✭✭Marlow


    Guy:Incognito wrote: »
    Getting money doesnt come in to it. Enough to go from the car to the machine for the ticket and back. The fact you arrive without the money isnt the car parks fault.

    So you expect everybody, even tourists on non-locals, to know ahead, that they need change ready to pay for pay and display parking and how much change they need ? For every carpark in the country ?

    /M


  • #716
    Guy:Incognito
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,244 ✭✭✭✭Guy:Incognito


    Stark wrote: »
    And you can't get it through your thick skull that harassing behaviour that turns estates into no go areas is wrong.

    When you 1, stop with the mild insults and 2, acknowledge this,
    Stark wrote: »
    Typical fine for NCT is between €80 and €150 and has to be imposed by a judge in a court. I've never heard of anyone being charged the full €2000. People are giving fair warning before it goes that far. It's in no way comparable to a randomer making up a ridiculous fine and using extortion to obtain it from you.

    Typical fine my hole. You said the fine was €150 and I was makign figures up.
    Stark wrote: »
    It's €150 for not having your NCT disc displayed. You can't just make up silly figures when you actually need to pass laws in order to enforce them.

    I'll answer what you have to say.


  • #717
    Guy:Incognito
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,244 ✭✭✭✭Guy:Incognito


    Marlow wrote: »
    So you expect everybody, even tourists on non-locals, to know ahead, that they need change ready to pay for pay and display parking and how much change they need ? For every carpark in the country ?

    /M

    No, thats the beauty of change, it can add up to many different amounts.

    Thats also why there are signs. To inform you what you need to do. Most drivers have encountered pay and display at this stage. They kno whow it works.


  • #718
    Compton
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,157 ✭✭✭Compton


    The arguments in this thread are pointless. Clampers are scum and thats the end of it. I have never been clamped but have had dealings with them through other people.


  • #719
    Marlow
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,555 ✭✭✭✭Marlow


    Guy:Incognito wrote: »
    No, thats the beauty of change, it can add up to many different amounts.

    Thats also why there are signs. To inform you what you need to do. Most drivers have encountered pay and display at this stage. They kno whow it works.

    Most is not all.

    /M


  • #720
    fasttalkerchat
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,652 ✭✭✭fasttalkerchat


    Guy:Incognito wrote: »
    Getting money doesnt come in to it. Enough to go from the car to the machine for the ticket and back. The fact you arrive without the money isnt the car parks fault.

    In the case of on street parking it is their problem. Driving 10 mins away to the nearest ATM with free parking beside it then getting change and returning to the space is not feasible for a 20 minute shop in a town centre.


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  • #721
    Guy:Incognito
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,244 ✭✭✭✭Guy:Incognito


    Marlow wrote: »
    Most is not all.

    /M

    What do you do in life when you come up against somethign that is new to you? Make up your own rules for it and assume them to be right or educate yourself?


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