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*Leaving Cert Applied Maths Thread*

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,076 ✭✭✭Eathrin


    The questions in maths in general are easier in my opinion but I wouldn't agree that maths is easiest subject for the lc, biology,physics and chemistry are a lot easier. A couple of guys in my maths and applied maths classes last year got an A1 in applied maths but only got an A2 in maths so i wouldn't take an A1 in maths for granted as it's a very broad course and the questions can be plucked from any part of the course. They can also phrase the questions in maths in different ways to make them appear more difficult then they actually are as was the case last year which tends to put people off, i don't think they can do it as much with the applied maths questions which tends to make the exams fairly straightfoward.

    Obviously I just meant for me, sorry I should have made that clear, it's generally regarded as one of the most difficult. I'm not really offput by any ofthe so called tricks because I don't really learn Maths by method, I just solve it by intuition. Sometimes that means I go a very long way around a question where a simple formula is required. I think there's more of a method required in Applied maths for some questions anyway which I never really learnt so I do find that subject more difficult.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 113 ✭✭amymak


    Our school is an all-girls school, and we have one class a week after school for an hour. I'm the only person in 5th and 6th year doing Applied Maths, though there are seven guys who come in from the local boys school. (I get it free, but they have to pay.)
    We've done 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 and 10. Our teacher has also started teaching us the question on circular motion recently.
    I really like it, but I think maths is a lot easier. It could be possibly that the standard is higher in the Applied Maths class. (I hate to admit it, but there does seem to be something to the whole thing about boys in general being better at maths than girls.)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 232 ✭✭MegGustaa


    As for me, I'm doing Applied Maths in school (one of only 2 girls' schools in the country to offer it :D)
    Um what I know of at least three girls schools including my own in my area that do Applied Maths...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,608 ✭✭✭cathalio11


    Hi. I'm in 4th year and considering taking Applied Maths up in our school. It's 1 or 2 classes a week for 2 years, and our teacher will cover 6 questions only.

    Could you tell me what the subject is about and how much time I would need to spend on it as opposed to other subjects? Thank you


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26 Tradceol


    Hey, I'm in fifth year and started applied maths 4/5 weeks ago. I worked really hard and have covered the first three chapters in the book to try and catch up with the other person doing it. ( did every question):D . Anyway my teacher phoned me this morning and basically said he wasn't prepared to teach me next year as the other student has decided to drop out. Has anyone done app. maths on their own, how did you find it? --I can't find any other teacher in my area and really love the course.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 715 ✭✭✭Wesc.


    Tradceol wrote: »
    Hey, I'm in fifth year and started applied maths 4/5 weeks ago. I worked really hard and have covered the first three chapters in the book to try and catch up with the other person doing it. ( did every question):D . Anyway my teacher phoned me this morning and basically said he wasn't prepared to teach me next year as the other student has decided to drop out. Has anyone done app. maths on their own, how did you find it? --I can't find any other teacher in my area and really love the course.

    Yeah I basically did, there's a book out there made by Dominick Donnelly which was a MASSIVE help to me.. it's just so good! It goes through how to do every question step by step and explains the theory behind it. You can only buy it online I think, and it took me ages to find it but it's really worth buying!


    EDIT: I found it there and it's no longer available for print so sorry :( But there's a newer version of Oliver Murphy's book out so that should be good! Or you could use eircom study hub, it's meant to be good for applied maths.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 747 ✭✭✭skyscraperblue


    Wesc. wrote: »
    Yeah I basically did, there's a book out there made by Dominick Donnelly which was a MASSIVE help to me.. it's just so good! It goes through how to do every question step by step and explains the theory behind it. You can only buy it online I think, and it took me ages to find it but it's really worth buying!


    EDIT: I found it there and it's no longer available for print so sorry :( But there's a newer version of Oliver Murphy's book out so that should be good! Or you could use eircom study hub, it's meant to be good for applied maths.

    I got that Dominick Donnelly book too, if you google him and send him an email he can post you a copy. :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26 Tradceol


    Thanks Wesc. And skyscraperblue :) . I'll definitely try get that and keep working at it over the summer. I have Oliver Murphy's new blue book and it's great but sometimes the examples don't cover all of the questions to follow. Really appreciate your help :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,263 ✭✭✭ride-the-spiral


    I did applied maths by myself last year and got an A1, almost purely out of Oliver Murphy's brown book and exam papers. (Luckily my maths teacher had the marking schemes for year back to the 90's). It's definitely manageable, Murphy's book covers just about everything you need to know and any other tricks can be relatively easily sussed out from the marking scheme's (I don't think integration by substitution is required anymore though). Definitely try most of the problems, especially the ones without numbers :pac:

    If I was to make any recommendation is not to depend too much on 1,2,3,4,5,10 questions. I always found that 4,6,7,8 all required a similar approach to answering the questions and they complement each other. I certainly found doing 6,7,8 last year easier than 1,2,3. The same may be true for Q9 but I stopped at that. :o (Although I think it was EuropeanSon who was the advocate for Q9...)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 243 ✭✭Stalin and rugby


    How many, and which, topics is everyone stuyding?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 747 ✭✭✭skyscraperblue


    How many, and which, topics is everyone stuyding?

    My teacher did Q1,2,3,4,5,10 with us and I'm doing Q9 myself because having no choice was freaking me out. :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,572 ✭✭✭Canard


    I dont do applied maths but this whole thing of substitution not being on the course, I've seen that mentioned but I didnt realize it related to integration. Will that have any implications for regular HL maths?

    (Sorry for hi-jacking the thread, just wondering!)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,763 ✭✭✭finality


    Patchy~ wrote: »
    I dont do applied maths but this whole thing of substitution not being on the course, I've seen that mentioned but I didnt realize it related to integration. Will that have any implications for regular HL maths?

    (Sorry for hi-jacking the thread, just wondering!)

    No, only in the pilot schools :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,263 ✭✭✭ride-the-spiral


    My teacher did Q1,2,3,4,5,10 with us and I'm doing Q9 myself because having no choice was freaking me out. :)

    You're doing Q9 without having done Q7? I didn't really think you could do that.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 747 ✭✭✭skyscraperblue


    You're doing Q9 without having done Q7? I didn't really think you could do that.

    I'm nearly done and so far haven't run into any problems. Now I'm freaked out...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 153 ✭✭Zaffy


    Absolutely adore applied maths. It's a proper subject in my school, so I get plenty of practise at it. I once got 90% in a test, but every single other one I've got 100, though as of late, I've been doing questions which haven't been working out and I've been starting to panick. Really need to get this A1.

    If you're thinking of doing Applied maths, do it! I cannpt think of a better/more fun subject.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 715 ✭✭✭Wesc.


    Zaffy wrote: »
    Absolutely adore applied maths. It's a proper subject in my school, so I get plenty of practise at it. I once got 90% in a test, but every single other one I've got 100, though as of late, I've been doing questions which haven't been working out and I've been starting to panick. Really need to get this A1.

    If you're thinking of doing Applied maths, do it! I cannpt think of a better/more fun subject.

    Are you going for the gold medal?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 153 ✭✭Zaffy


    Wesc. wrote: »
    Are you going for the gold medal?

    Never really thought about it. To be hoenst, I'm just aiming for the A1, any extra is a bonus


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 64 ✭✭Saracarroll


    Wesc. wrote: »
    Are you going for the gold medal?


    Whats the gold medal?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 715 ✭✭✭Wesc.


    Whats the gold medal?

    It's if you get a perfect 100% in your exam, you get a gold medal. For applied maths there are I think 2 or 3 given out each year, a fella I know got it 2 years ago! I'd love to get it, but I'm not getting my hopes up :P


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16 Kakes


    We're a very small subject and so I think Applied Maths people should stick together, so here's a thread for us. :) Let's start with, are you taking Applied Maths inside or outside of school? and what questions are you covering?

    As for me, I'm doing Applied Maths in school (one of only 2 girls' schools in the country to offer it :D) but we are run simultaneously with LCVP and Careers, so we only get 3 classes a week. So my teacher has to teach a shorter course and so we aren't gonna get proper choice on the paper - she is only teaching Q1,2,3,4,5 and 10. :/ So I'm teaching myself Q9 just out of terror!

    How about you guys? :)

    I think quite a few girls schools offer it actually. I do it in my school, and Mt Anville and Loreto both offer it as far as i know, thats just in my area.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 747 ✭✭✭skyscraperblue


    It won't let me edit the first post anymore so for future reference, I was horrendously wrong about the only-two-girls-schools thing. Apparently there's tons. My bad! :o


  • Moderators, Education Moderators Posts: 26,403 Mod ✭✭✭✭Peregrine


    Guys, sorry for digging up your zombie thread but I need some advice :(

    I'm in 5th year now and I really love maths and physics but unfortunately I'm not like yous, I'm not brilliant at imaths(anymore) and I only got a C in JC.
    I'm aiming for a B in HL Maths in the Leaving

    I was thinking of doing Applied Maths but I'm not sure if I should. I'd have to do it by myself cos my school doesn't teach it and I'm not really good enough to learn it by myself.

    Since some of yous studied Applied Maths by yourself, I wanted to ask, is it manageable?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 254 ✭✭IloveConverse


    Hi guys,

    Thinking about starting Applied Maths- I'm in fifth year and doing Physics and HL Maths.

    The only problem is that I'm doing Physics by myself as an extra subject- doing Applied Maths would leave me with 9 subjects which is crazy.

    I'd love to do Applied Maths with Physics/HL Maths as I'm thinking about doing Physics in college and love this area so much.

    Would appreciate if you guys could give me some advice, thanks a mill. :cool:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 113 ✭✭amymak


    Nimrod 7 wrote: »
    Guys, sorry for digging up your zombie thread but I need some advice :(

    I'm in 5th year now and I really love maths and physics but unfortunately I'm not like yous, I'm not brilliant at imaths(anymore) and I only got a C in JC.
    I'm aiming for a B in HL Maths in the Leaving

    I was thinking of doing Applied Maths but I'm not sure if I should. I'd have to do it by myself cos my school doesn't teach it and I'm not really good enough to learn it by myself.

    Since some of yous studied Applied Maths by yourself, I wanted to ask, is it manageable?

    To be honest, Applied Maths is a tough subject if maths isn't your thing, especially if you haven't got someone to explain the concepts to you.

    However, if you genuinely love maths and the mechanics section in physics, then the hard work that would be necessary wouldn't seem difficult. The questions are fairly predictable, so if you do exam questions over and over, you could do fairly well in the exam even if you don't have a flair for it.

    It's not an easy subject, but as long as that doesn't put you off, you should give it a go and see how you find it.
    Hi guys,

    Thinking about starting Applied Maths- I'm in fifth year and doing Physics and HL Maths.

    The only problem is that I'm doing Physics by myself as an extra subject- doing Applied Maths would leave me with 9 subjects which is crazy.

    I'd love to do Applied Maths with Physics/HL Maths as I'm thinking about doing Physics in college and love this area so much.

    Would appreciate if you guys could give me some advice, thanks a mill. :cool:

    9 subjects is an awful lot, so it all depends on your reasons for doing applied maths. If you're doing it for points, then I would leave it. Doing 9 subjects will just mean that all of them will suffer somewhat.
    However, if you're doing it simply because you think it'll be of use in college, then I would encourage you to try it. I did applied maths outside school and in the end it didn't count for points. However, I don't regret doing it for one second, as it's of major benefit to me in mechanics in my engineering course. (However, I would do some reading on the course you're going for before you get in too deep with applied maths. As far as I know, they're generally very theoretical courses, so applied maths would be of little relevance.)


  • Moderators, Education Moderators Posts: 26,403 Mod ✭✭✭✭Peregrine


    amymak wrote: »

    To be honest, Applied Maths is a tough subject if maths isn't your thing, especially if you haven't got someone to explain the concepts to you.

    However, if you genuinely love maths and the mechanics section in physics, then the hard work that would be necessary wouldn't seem difficult. The questions are fairly predictable, so if you do exam questions over and over, you could do fairly well in the exam even if you don't have a flair for it.

    It's not an easy subject, but as long as that doesn't put you off, you should give it a go and see how you find it.
    Thanks for replying :)

    I'm not looking for an easy subject, I'm interested in it cos I truely enjoy Maths and Physics. I know that it won't be an easy subject to do on your own but if it's doable I want to try it.

    My low grade in the Junior Cert was purely due to my lazyness(overcame it) and problems with time(we started in 2nd year) but I'm definite my C was a high C because my grades are usually 75%+ and I've never even got a C in a Maths test to be honest :o

    I'm thinking of doing maths related courses in college so I won't be disapointed if I end up not doing well in Applied Maths by myself. If it goes well, I'll be happy with anything over a C3 in it because I know I'll just pass Art, one of the 6 HL subjects I'm doing now (OL Irish :rolleyes:)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9 cmcm9513


    Hey, I am in sixth year and studying applied maths in school and our teacher said he will cover everything in the book except statics and hydrostatics. Has anyone covered these areas and what are they like difficulty wise ? I am considering teaching myself just so I'm covered if something goes wrong on the day .


  • Moderators, Education Moderators Posts: 26,403 Mod ✭✭✭✭Peregrine


    cmcm9513 wrote: »
    Hey, I am in sixth year and studying applied maths in school and our teacher said he will cover everything in the book except statics and hydrostatics. Has anyone covered these areas and what are they like difficulty wise ? I am considering teaching myself just so I'm covered if something goes wrong on the day .

    What book are you using? When you say everything, how many chapters are we talking? :eek:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,207 ✭✭✭decisions


    So what questions has everyone got covered?

    Covered: 1,2,3,4,5,7,9 and almost 6.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9 cmcm9513


    Nimrod 7 wrote: »

    What book are you using? When you say everything, how many chapters are we talking? :eek:
    Fundamental applied mathematics by Oliver Murphy first edition. 10 chapters haha . Everything except statics hydrostatics and rigid body rotation :/ we have everything done except them three, shm and differential equations..


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