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*Leaving Cert Applied Maths Thread*
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22-04-2012 4:01pm#1We're a very small subject and so I think Applied Maths people should stick together, so here's a thread for us.
Let's start with, are you taking Applied Maths inside or outside of school? and what questions are you covering?
As for me, I'm doing Applied Maths in school (one of only 2 girls' schools in the country to offer it
) but we are run simultaneously with LCVP and Careers, so we only get 3 classes a week. So my teacher has to teach a shorter course and so we aren't gonna get proper choice on the paper - she is only teaching Q1,2,3,4,5 and 10. 
So I'm teaching myself Q9 just out of terror!
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I'm doing it outside school. I'm covering question 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 8 and 10. I highly recommend doing q8 because it's quite easy and the (a) part is always just a thereom which you simply learn off (there is only 3).
I think it is a quite manageable subject. My favourite after chemistry! 0 -
I only do it once a week outside school. Getting very worried now because I slept through the classes last year and failed my mock miserably. Doing Q's 1,3,4,5,8,10.
Need to do one section a week, and considering I can't do the exam q's I'm screwed
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The only good thing about it is you get marks so easily. You could do really well even if you don't get any answers out at all in the exam.0 -
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Me, I do the good trusty 'oul questions 1,2,3,4,5,10. I only took it up this year and had to teach most of the course by myself so doubt I'll bother doing a 6th. Sure I find it's better to know 6 questions very well rather than 7 quite well. Had a glance at SHM and ah, yeah, didn't look too great so I'll defo be leaving that out!
The only thing that annoys me is that it's on the very last day of the leaving cert... while everyone else will be out partying I'll be stuck inside. :mad: Ah sure they're missing out on the subject haha It's probably the only exam I'm looking forward to aswell, got two high A1s in my two mocks so things are looking up! 0 -
toadpenguin wrote: »I'm in 5th year, just started doing Applied Maths outside of school after Christmas. We've covered Q4 and most of Q3 now, it's kind of hilarious how crazily complicated some of the maths in Q3 can get but we're assured it'll be second nature this time next year!
It's a bit strange but I've actually found it's improved my maths in school too. Our teacher cancels, substitutes and divides across and all of that good stuff without any sort of prior warning and you find yourself catching on to what he's done and applying it (excuse the pun) to the stuff you're doing in school.
You really will get used to it - it seems complicated at first but because you do the same thing in EVERY question it just turns into a little pattern and it's grand. 0 -
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skyscraperblue wrote: »We're a very small subject and so I think Applied Maths people should stick together, so here's a thread for us. Let's start with, are you taking Applied Maths inside or outside of school? and what questions are you covering?
As for me, I'm doing Applied Maths in school (one of only 2 girls' schools in the country to offer it) but we are run simultaneously with LCVP and Careers, so we only get 3 classes a week. So my teacher has to teach a shorter course and so we aren't gonna get proper choice on the paper - she is only teaching Q1,2,3,4,5 and 10. So I'm teaching myself Q9 just out of terror!
How about you guys?
We did 1 class a week in 5th year and now 2 classes in 6th. I did pretty horribly in my mocks tbh, got a C.
I know for a fact more than 2 girls' schools offer it though!0 -
I'm in 5th year and I've been doing applied maths since September/October. I do it after school on a Wednesday as an extra subject because we have a half day in our school every Wednesday. I don't do LCVP though and I do ordinary level Irish so applied maths kinda makes up for those.
We're going the Q1,2,3,4,5,10 route. I'm planning on learning Q8 on my own though. I was doing well in it at the start of the year (92% in the Christmas exam) but I feel as though my standard is slipping as more work is being piled up on us. I think I'll do well in it for the LC but I'm not looking forward to my exam for the summer tests this year.
Just for those who are reading this and are trying to decide weather to do it or not: If you are doing HL Maths and Physics I believe you should give it a shot. If you're planning on doing a maths or physics related course in university I believe you should do it because I heard that applied maths comes into a lot of the 1st year courses in those subjects in college. It also helps you with your maths and physics for the LC as a lot of the Applied Maths course overlaps with bits of the other 2 courses. It's not easy and you have to be willing to dedicate some time to it but you'll be glad that you did it.
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Hey ill be starting applied maths in T.Y. since I'm down a subject on not doing irish. Is it true that it would be considered harder then actually higher level maths? I know it has predicated questions but is the material harder? Oh yeah I'm doing it outside school if that helps in any way 0
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The material is harder, particularly if you are going to be doing it outside school , but as you mentioned it is fairly predictable and once you get a grasp of the concepts it's a lovely subject if you happen to be interested and good at maths. It is a short course in comparison to other leaving cert subjects but a fair bit of work still has to put in in order to be assured of getting an A1. Best of luck with it, it was my favourite subject along with maths and in my opinion it was the easiest in this year's lc .paddzdaman wrote: »Hey ill be starting applied maths in T.Y. since I'm down a subject on not doing irish. Is it true that it would be considered harder then actually higher level maths? I know it has predicated questions but is the material harder? Oh yeah I'm doing it outside school if that helps in any way0 -
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skyscraperblue wrote: »We're a very small subject and so I think Applied Maths people should stick together, so here's a thread for us. Let's start with, are you taking Applied Maths inside or outside of school? and what questions are you covering?
As for me, I'm doing Applied Maths in school (one of only 2 girls' schools in the country to offer it) but we are run simultaneously with LCVP and Careers, so we only get 3 classes a week. So my teacher has to teach a shorter course and so we aren't gonna get proper choice on the paper - she is only teaching Q1,2,3,4,5 and 10. So I'm teaching myself Q9 just out of terror!
How about you guys?
With 3 classes a week you should be able to cover at least seven questions, with plenty of time afterwards for revision. Is your teacher out a lot or something?0 -
With 3 classes a week you should be able to cover at least seven questions, with plenty of time afterwards for revision. Is your teacher out a lot or something?
No, she just goes reeeeally slowly. We're not getting any revision time. She does this terrible strategy where she teaches the ordinary level of all the topics in 5th Year and then comes back and teaches the higher level material in 6th. We only started differential equations this week 0 -
skyscraperblue wrote: »No, she just goes reeeeally slowly. We're not getting any revision time. She does this terrible strategy where she teaches the ordinary level of all the topics in 5th Year and then comes back and teaches the higher level material in 6th. We only started differential equations this week
Be grateful that you have an applied maths teacher brah, half the people doing it teach it to themselves...:pac:0 -
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paddzdaman wrote: »Hey ill be starting applied maths in T.Y. since I'm down a subject on not doing irish. Is it true that it would be considered harder then actually higher level maths? I know it has predicated questions but is the material harder? Oh yeah I'm doing it outside school if that helps in any way
Honours maths is very easy in comparison to applied maths. In applied maths I have to actually think, in honours maths I find it's just obvious what to do right away. That might just be me though, maths is the easiest subject in my opinion, applied maths is quite challenging.0 -
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In my opinion Applied maths is much easier than Higher level maths. For maths there is a lot more to learn and the questions are less predictable, While there is not much they can do to make applied maths questions harder, As long as you stay calm and follow the set procedures to solve each question it is very easy.paddzdaman wrote: »Hey ill be starting applied maths in T.Y. since I'm down a subject on not doing irish. Is it true that it would be considered harder then actually higher level maths? I know it has predicated questions but is the material harder? Oh yeah I'm doing it outside school if that helps in any way0 -
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The Pharmacist on the Moon wrote: »The questions in maths in general are easier in my opinion but I wouldn't agree that maths is easiest subject for the lc, biology,physics and chemistry are a lot easier. A couple of guys in my maths and applied maths classes last year got an A1 in applied maths but only got an A2 in maths so i wouldn't take an A1 in maths for granted as it's a very broad course and the questions can be plucked from any part of the course. They can also phrase the questions in maths in different ways to make them appear more difficult then they actually are as was the case last year which tends to put people off, i don't think they can do it as much with the applied maths questions which tends to make the exams fairly straightfoward.
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hey could anyone help me with relative velocity? am stuck on page 59 question 23 in Oliver Murphy book...
please and thank you
I have the old ugly brown book so I'm assuming that's the one with the two roads intersecting at 60degrees.(Section 4B, Q23??).
How far have you got in it? I mean you've probably know how to get the velocity of A relative to B since it's the 23rd question.
All you need to do from there is get in a position where B is at the intersection. Now find how long that takes (2km at 40km/hr) and then see how far A travels along its road in that time.
So draw a diagram of B being at the intersection, and the position of A when that's the case, and then a rough sketch of what the V[ab](velocity of A relative to
is (i.e a line in that direction), from A.
(The velocity of A relative to B, is the velocity that A has from B's point of view, so in this case B is "not moving" (kinda difficult to explain that, if you want me to try I will))
Then you want to have from B, perpendicular to the line V[ab], and that's the shortest distance. You'll need to use a bit of trig to get that distance though.
I realise that what I've written is a bit all over the place, so here's a diagram of what I said. Sorry for the sh*t quality. Hopefully you can make it out, and hopefully it makes sense.:pac:0 -
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Um what I know of at least three girls schools including my own in my area that do Applied Maths...skyscraperblue wrote: »As for me, I'm doing Applied Maths in school (one of only 2 girls' schools in the country to offer it)0 -
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Hey, I'm in fifth year and started applied maths 4/5 weeks ago. I worked really hard and have covered the first three chapters in the book to try and catch up with the other person doing it. ( did every question):D . Anyway my teacher phoned me this morning and basically said he wasn't prepared to teach me next year as the other student has decided to drop out. Has anyone done app. maths on their own, how did you find it? --I can't find any other teacher in my area and really love the course.
Yeah I basically did, there's a book out there made by Dominick Donnelly which was a MASSIVE help to me.. it's just so good! It goes through how to do every question step by step and explains the theory behind it. You can only buy it online I think, and it took me ages to find it but it's really worth buying!
EDIT: I found it there and it's no longer available for print so sorry But there's a newer version of Oliver Murphy's book out so that should be good! Or you could use eircom study hub, it's meant to be good for applied maths. 0 -
Yeah I basically did, there's a book out there made by Dominick Donnelly which was a MASSIVE help to me.. it's just so good! It goes through how to do every question step by step and explains the theory behind it. You can only buy it online I think, and it took me ages to find it but it's really worth buying!
EDIT: I found it there and it's no longer available for print so sorry But there's a newer version of Oliver Murphy's book out so that should be good! Or you could use eircom study hub, it's meant to be good for applied maths.
I got that Dominick Donnelly book too, if you google him and send him an email he can post you a copy. 0 -
Thanks Wesc. And skyscraperblue . I'll definitely try get that and keep working at it over the summer. I have Oliver Murphy's new blue book and it's great but sometimes the examples don't cover all of the questions to follow. Really appreciate your help 0
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I did applied maths by myself last year and got an A1, almost purely out of Oliver Murphy's brown book and exam papers. (Luckily my maths teacher had the marking schemes for year back to the 90's). It's definitely manageable, Murphy's book covers just about everything you need to know and any other tricks can be relatively easily sussed out from the marking scheme's (I don't think integration by substitution is required anymore though). Definitely try most of the problems, especially the ones without numbers :pac:
If I was to make any recommendation is not to depend too much on 1,2,3,4,5,10 questions. I always found that 4,6,7,8 all required a similar approach to answering the questions and they complement each other. I certainly found doing 6,7,8 last year easier than 1,2,3. The same may be true for Q9 but I stopped at that. (Although I think it was EuropeanSon who was the advocate for Q9...) 0 -
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Stalin and rugby wrote: »How many, and which, topics is everyone stuyding?
My teacher did Q1,2,3,4,5,10 with us and I'm doing Q9 myself because having no choice was freaking me out. 0 -
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I dont do applied maths but this whole thing of substitution not being on the course, I've seen that mentioned but I didnt realize it related to integration. Will that have any implications for regular HL maths?
(Sorry for hi-jacking the thread, just wondering!)
No, only in the pilot schools 0 -
skyscraperblue wrote: »My teacher did Q1,2,3,4,5,10 with us and I'm doing Q9 myself because having no choice was freaking me out.
You're doing Q9 without having done Q7? I didn't really think you could do that.0 -
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