Legalize Cannabis Ireland

bandit197 · 11-05-2012 8:59pm

Anyone that has properly researched what has happened in Portugal over the last ten years since decriminalisation and is not demanding that our government adopt a similar approach must, in my opinion, have a vested interest.

In Portugal, drug usage rates have fallen and people who need help and addiction treatment have access to much better services without fear of prosecution.

I'm tired of reading the papers and seeing cases put in front of Judges where 'Joe Bloggs' was found in possession of 20eur worth of some drug. Do people have any comprehension of how much this is costing the state and taxpayer, not to mention what a monumental waste of time and resources it is for the Gardai, at a time when resources have never been so low and stations are being closed all over the country. Id prefer to see more Garda resources available for patrols in rural areas to protect our elderly population from burglaries etc rather than their time being wasted chasing 'Joe Bloggs' for his bit of cannabis.

Whatever about legalisation, decriminalisation needs to happen sooner rather than later. The current approach being used to tackle the drugs issue is not working and has never worked.

charlemont · 11-05-2012 9:05pm

DjDoody wrote: »

I laughed a lot the papers are so full of ****.

They even put a picture of the judge on the article in a local paper about me in which I had been caught with a half ounce, Some state, You would swear I had killed someone. I was the only person caught with a small amount that day to be sentenced to do time actually only got ten days so I was lucky enough. I was out next day anyway.

DjDoody · 11-05-2012 9:10pm

charlemont wrote: »

They even put a picture of the judge on the article in a local paper about me in which I had been caught with a half ounce, Some state, You would swear I had killed someone. I was the only person caught with a small amount that day to be sentenced to do time actually only got ten days so I was lucky enough. I was out next day anyway.

10 days for a half once you did well.I know someone who served 2 years for around the same but he had them all in separate bags.What did they say in the article I would presume they labelled you as a drug dealer or exaggerated what happened

PogMoThoin · 12-05-2012 12:08pm

Advocates of evil, LOL

Why is it so hard for some (narrow minded) people to comprehend that it is possible to take cannabis and live a perfectly normal life without any effect on your life. There are many professionals throughout this country who smoke/vape/digest in the comfort of their own home and do no harm to anyone. These people are grown adults, they can make their own mind up. Why do these people have to suffer the wrath of the law because you narrow minded people won't give it any consideration? Just a blanket "No, all drugs are evil, we'll not talk about it, never". This is a backward argument that has got us nowhere. Just take one look at the total mess our social scene has become because of it. Walk down any high street from midnight to 4am on a Saturday night and see the carnage of a socially acceptable alcohol fueled society. The proof has been posted (Portugal), read it and educate yourselves. It's time for change.

I'm fully in favour of legalisation, but I feel it should start with decriminalisation. For a start, make it OK to grow a plant for your own consumption in your own home. You're not doing any harm to anyone. Stop wasting the Gardai and the judicial systems' time for possession of small amounts. Put the effort into education in schools and help (not alienate) those that need drug treatment. I've seen how this works first hand in Holland 18 years ago, I lived there for 5 months. Dutch people are well educated about the effects of drugs. They take them casually. The high streets in Holland don't suffer from the social carnage we see here, except when there's an influx of foreigners mixing drugs and alcohol, hence the moves to close the coffee shops to outsiders.

Just to add, I am not a teenage stoner with a vested interest in legalising drugs. I'm a late 30's father of 2 teenage children. I grew up in a pub on a high street, I've seen first hand how our society is very messed up and I've seen how this backward attitude is getting us nowhere. Too many of our politicians come from or have an interest in public houses. Ming cried about this in Castlerea. People complained about the carnage on the streets on weekends, the town had many many pubs, no cinema, no pool hall, no bowling alley, no clubs. No other social outlets that didn't include alcohol. Yet these same people voted year after year for the local publican and expected change.

Open your minds and educate yourselves or things will never change.

paddyandy · 12-05-2012 8:21pm

" backward" a typical vehicle term used by nihilist lefties .What does it mean ??????
"There are many professionals" etc., etc the usual cliches are never far away . You think their children enjoy seeing a doped up father who behaves like a stranger to them ???? Could explain why the children have problems later ....." ....not doing any harm" Are you certain of this ?????? WHY HAS HOLLAND BLOCKED DRUG TOURISTS WITH PLENTY OF EUROS ??????They Mix loads of different things here too and the stories are horrendous .See Sun. papers !And of course the "blame the politicians" idea is never far away either....you have omitted the church though .To these people A NARROW MINDED person is somebody who won't accept liberal ideas .They have minds like Bins.... full of trendy rubbish out of pop culture and leftie rags .They have no argument put spew P.C nonsense out that sends a dangerous message to the young .Count the Absurd number Suicides in the last two decades many are drug related and unfortunately we have failed in the area of Alcohol Abuse too ....dismally. It's showing no signs of tapering off either only more awareness talk .We can't deal with it ..it seems . Fools have money and votes and the 'Machines' are on their side .

charlemont · 12-05-2012 8:26pm

DjDoody wrote: »

10 days for a half once you did well.I know someone who served 2 years for around the same but he had them all in separate bags.What did they say in the article I would presume they labelled you as a drug dealer or exaggerated what happened

2 years for a half ounce oh hash ??? Unless maybe your talking about Weed..

I was talking about Hash though, Half ounce was only €60 but of course the Garda said it was worth €80 to the judge..Got the usual lecture about funding gang land crime..

DjDoody · 12-05-2012 8:29pm

charlemont wrote: »

2 years for a half ounce oh hash ??? Unless maybe your talking about Weed..

I was talking about Hash though, Half ounce was only €60 but of course the Garda said it was worth €80 to the judge..Got the usual lecture about funding gang land crime..

Ah I see I was talking about weed.Still I wouldnt go near most of the hash in Ireland its all soapblocks thats why I only make it myself or know the person who made it

paddyandy · 12-05-2012 8:32pm

There are posters who are trying to bury my posts by making very long winded comments
who lack brevity and conciseness .Don't be fooled by them .Probably a few Head Shop
owners with huge stock using the treaty tailwinds to get to re-opening soon .

asdf1234 · 12-05-2012 8:33pm

Personally I am outraged at the notion of sufferers of Cancer, MS, Parkinsons and various other debilitating, painful and/or sleep depriving illnesses getting legal access to drugs that relieve their symptoms while offending my morality.

P.S, paddyandy, count the absurd number of suicides that are related to social intolerance and high-horseriding while you're at it. Clue: Regional suicide rates don't correspond to drug usage rates. They do, however, seem to align themselves pretty proportionally to the number of self-righteous cretins who preach and pontificate about how other people should live their lives. Next time you decide to claim the support of suicide victims for your random moralistic notions, maybe you should check out whether there is any basis in reality for your claims. Oh and:

paddyandy wrote: »

There are posters who are trying to bury my posts by making very long winded comments
who lack brevity and conciseness .Don't be fooled by them.

Who do you even think you are addressing here? Some loyal legion of followers you are educating with your magnificently constructed arguments?

DjDoody · 12-05-2012 8:34pm

paddyandy wrote: »

There are posters who are trying to bury my posts by making very long winded comments
who lack brevity and conciseness .Don't be fooled by them .Probably a few Head Shop
owners with huge stock using the treaty tailwinds to get to re-opening soon .

Or there not just talking out of their arse.

christmas2012 · 12-05-2012 8:36pm

Havent they found new evidence that links cannabis directly to schizophrenia?

DjDoody · 12-05-2012 8:38pm

christmas2012 wrote: »

Havent they found new evidence that links cannabis directly to schizophrenia?

Thats more to do with genetics.Weed just like nearly everything else doesnt agree with everyone.

mikom · 12-05-2012 8:44pm

paddyandy wrote: »

They Mix loads of different things here too and the stories are horrendous .See Sun. papers !

Quality....

Mickeroo · 12-05-2012 8:47pm

christmas2012 wrote: »

Havent they found new evidence that links cannabis directly to schizophrenia?

It can trigger it earlier as far as i know but as to whether it actually causes schizophrenia is debateable. THe amount marijuana consumption in the states has risen over the last century but the rate of schizophrenia has remained static. Either way there doesn't seem to be anything conclusive on it.

This article sheds a bit of light, couple of years old now though, can't find anything more recent: http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,2005559,00.html

PseudoFamous · 12-05-2012 8:56pm

paddyandy wrote: »

There are posters who are trying to bury my posts by making very long winded comments
who lack brevity and conciseness .Don't be fooled by them .

Since you refuse to read anything other than bullet points:

Just because a point isn't brief doesn't make it any less of a point.
Explaining your point properly can take a lot of text.
Just because someone has a different opinion to you doesn't invalidate it.

paddyandy wrote: »

Probably a few Head Shop
owners with huge stock using the treaty tailwinds to get to re-opening soon .

I can assure you I'm no head shop owner, and I'll put money on it that none of these people are either.

mikom · 12-05-2012 9:12pm

paddyandy wrote: »

" backward" a typical vehicle term used by nihilist lefties .What does it mean ??????
"There are many professionals" etc., etc the usual cliches are never far away . You think their children enjoy seeing a doped up father who behaves like a stranger to them ???? Could explain why the children have problems later ....." ....not doing any harm" Are you certain of this ?????? WHY HAS HOLLAND BLOCKED DRUG TOURISTS WITH PLENTY OF EUROS ??????They Mix loads of different things here too and the stories are horrendous .See Sun. papers !And of course the "blame the politicians" idea is never far away either....you have omitted the church though .To these people A NARROW MINDED person is somebody who won't accept liberal ideas .They have minds like Bins.... full of trendy rubbish out of pop culture and leftie rags .They have no argument put spew P.C nonsense out that sends a dangerous message to the young .Count the Absurd number Suicides in the last two decades many are drug related and unfortunately we have failed in the area of Alcohol Abuse too ....dismally. It's showing no signs of tapering off either only more awareness talk .We can't deal with it ..it seems . Fools have money and votes and the 'Machines' are on their side .

From the desk of Holden Caulfield.

PogMoThoin · 12-05-2012 11:01pm

paddyandy wrote: »

" backward" a typical vehicle term used by nihilist lefties .What does it mean ??????
"There are many professionals" etc., etc the usual cliches are never far away . You think their children enjoy seeing a doped up father who behaves like a stranger to them ???? Could explain why the children have problems later ....." ....not doing any harm" Are you certain of this ?????? WHY HAS HOLLAND BLOCKED DRUG TOURISTS WITH PLENTY OF EUROS ??????They Mix loads of different things here too and the stories are horrendous .See Sun. papers !And of course the "blame the politicians" idea is never far away either....you have omitted the church though .To these people A NARROW MINDED person is somebody who won't accept liberal ideas .They have minds like Bins.... full of trendy rubbish out of pop culture and leftie rags .They have no argument put spew P.C nonsense out that sends a dangerous message to the young .Count the Absurd number Suicides in the last two decades many are drug related and unfortunately we have failed in the area of Alcohol Abuse too ....dismally. It's showing no signs of tapering off either only more awareness talk .We can't deal with it ..it seems . Fools have money and votes and the 'Machines' are on their side .

Where in my post did I say I take cannabis? I don't.

The very fact that you mentioned The Sun says it all, if that's your gospel there isn't much hope for this country. A debate is where 2 parties listen to each other and make points against each others arguments. Did you even bother to read up on Portugal? Other than that there is not a single valid point in your post.
www.cato.org/pubs/wtpapers/greenwald_whitepaper.pdf

Snake Pliisken · 13-05-2012 12:12pm

paddyandy wrote: »

" backward" a typical vehicle term used by nihilist lefties .What does it mean ??????
"There are many professionals" etc., etc the usual cliches are never far away . You think their children enjoy seeing a doped up father who behaves like a stranger to them ???? Could explain why the children have problems later ....." ....not doing any harm" Are you certain of this ?????? WHY HAS HOLLAND BLOCKED DRUG TOURISTS WITH PLENTY OF EUROS ??????They Mix loads of different things here too and the stories are horrendous .See Sun. papers !And of course the "blame the politicians" idea is never far away either....you have omitted the church though .To these people A NARROW MINDED person is somebody who won't accept liberal ideas .They have minds like Bins.... full of trendy rubbish out of pop culture and leftie rags .They have no argument put spew P.C nonsense out that sends a dangerous message to the young .Count the Absurd number Suicides in the last two decades many are drug related and unfortunately we have failed in the area of Alcohol Abuse too ....dismally. It's showing no signs of tapering off either only more awareness talk .We can't deal with it ..it seems . Fools have money and votes and the 'Machines' are on their side .

paddyandy wrote: »

There are posters who are trying to bury my posts by making very long winded comments
who lack brevity and conciseness .Don't be fooled by them .Probably a few Head Shop
owners with huge stock using the treaty tailwinds to get to re-opening soon .

Your first post here is a great example of thought disorder and delusional reasoning and your second is a great example of paranoia and persecutory complex. Have a look at these videos, your posts read like fragmented thoughts that keep flitting from you before you can fully articulate them just like these two schizophrenics who are also impassioned(and think they're right) but are completely and utterly wrong.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nMANMIe0ZZI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zA1hyqA6UTY

This post isn't to humiliate or make fun of you and we're anonymously posting on an internet forum so there's nothing personal in this. It just needs to be highlighted before people continue arguing with you that your opinion may be skewed by your mental health.

qrrgprgua · 13-05-2012 12:47pm

Maybe its time to move this thread to another forum... I think its connection to Mayo forum was lost some 19 pages ago.

yop · 13-05-2012 9:42pm

qrrgprgua wrote: »

Maybe its time to move this thread to another forum... I think its connection to Mayo forum was lost some 19 pages ago.

I think you are correct about that.

yop · 13-05-2012 9:44pm

This thread has gone way outside of anything to do with Mayo

Moving to After Hours

Mods please move to a more appropriate forum if not for After Hours

jaffacakesyum · 13-05-2012 9:48pm

My God, I can't think of something less worthwhile to get involved in than the legalisation of cannabis

TeddyTedson · 13-05-2012 9:52pm

LOL, when Ming has to ask Vincent for his name:D

I wish they'd just leagalise weed already and be done with it.

Temptamperu · 13-05-2012 9:52pm

HarryPotter41 wrote: »

There would be absolutely no benefit in tourism terms, what a fallacy. Also maybe ask the hard drug user what drug was the first they ever took?

It was probably coffee or tobacco or alcohol. but there good drugs I suppose, nice tax earners.

mikom · 13-05-2012 9:53pm

jaffacakesyum wrote: »

My God, I can't think of something less worthwhile to get involved in than the legalisation of cannabis

Legalisation of peadophilia.

I've got loads more....

jaffacakesyum · 13-05-2012 10:04pm

mikom wrote: »

Legalisation of peadophilia.

I've got loads more....

Legalisation of cannabis is one of the few things that I don't have an opinion on. I just simply don't care. I think a lot of people feel like that, which is why I don't think it will ever get legalised in Ireland.

Mr Benevolent · 13-05-2012 10:06pm

Mayo cannot be mixed with cannabis.

Mayonnaise just doesn't burn well enough.

PhlegmyMoses · 13-05-2012 10:12pm

For cannabis to be legalised anywhere it needs to have respected, professional people like Doctors etc throwing their weight behind the cause, rather than people who refer to themselves as Ming the Merciless.

Pushtrak · 13-05-2012 10:13pm

This video doesn't exactly do the marijuana pro people any favours, but it does cite scientific papers on the subject.

Pottler · 13-05-2012 10:24pm

Marijuana=cancer of the will. Best description I've ever heard. Legalise ahead, it will reduce the competition for jobs.

Pushtrak · 13-05-2012 10:43pm

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/man-held-over-waterford-drugs-find-3105851.html

A man is being questioned over the seizure of 80,000 euro of drugs.

Almost 100 cannabis plants, cannabis herb and resin were discovered when a house was searched in Tallow, Co Waterford.

A man in his 40s was arrested at the scene and is currently detained under Section 2 of the Criminal Justice (Drug Trafficking) Act, 1996, at Dungarvan Garda Station.

Gardai said the drugs have an estimated street value of 80,000 euro, subject to analysis.

Logical Fallacy · 13-05-2012 11:49pm

paddyandy wrote: »

WHY HAS HOLLAND BLOCKED DRUG TOURISTS WITH PLENTY OF EUROS ??????.

If you paid any real attention to what is happening over there you wouldn't have to ask that. As you have asked it, you are merely highlighting your own ignorance on the subject. Given the current issues in Holland are a highlight within our life time (much as Portugal a few years ago) if you had any genuine interest in forming a decent, informed and well thought out opinion on this you should really be paying attention.

Instead I hazard the guess that you have no interest in anything beyond your pre-made decisions and letting the forum know how right you are and how wrong everyone else is.

Anyway, seeing as you need your hand held on this issue here is a brief run down. Holland have altered there stance of tolerated weed for tourists due to the pressure from neighbouring EU countries. In Holland it is largely being viewed as a border province problem that is resulting in nation wide legislation. People cross the border into Holland and load up, return home and sell the stuff illegally within their own country. As such a lot of pressure was put on Holland to do something about this, rather than take any steps like improved border control or customs they sought to make the sale to people from outside of Holland illegal.

This is why the city of Amsterdam is attempting to have the legislation brought in on a provincial basis, so it can be enacted in border provinces but not in others.

It's amazing what you can learn if you just read up on it.

For what it's worth, I don't think you are narrow minded, i just think you lack the requisite intelligence to genuinely challenge your own views. You tend to make such things clear every time you post.

LH Pathe · 14-05-2012 1:48am

Such is the nature of the times, of smoking; I only see it as becoming even more illegal than the 1950s em very selves so be grateful for what you got

Snake Pliisken · 14-05-2012 11:28am

Here's a video of a US Supreme Court judge on the reasons for legalization for the USA, they definitely apply to Ireland as well. There's no excuses for not watching, whatever side of the argument you're on and we all know that we'll never get legalization here without them doing it first.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qKgY5eOlhEc

paddyandy · 14-05-2012 3:22pm

Logical Fallacy: ...Why do the neighbouring countries object ?

paddyandy · 14-05-2012 3:25pm

LH Pathe : hold on to what's left of your brain 'cause it's handy for writing posts correctly .

biko · 14-05-2012 3:26pm

paddyandy wrote: »

Logical Fallacy: ...Why do the neighbouring countries object ?

As LF said, people buy the drugs in Holland and return home and sell it there (illegally).

Pushtrak · 14-05-2012 3:27pm

paddyandy wrote: »

Logical Fallacy: ...Why do the neighbouring countries object ?

People of neighbouring countries go there, get drugs with the intent of selling them on their home market.

Seachmall · 14-05-2012 3:27pm

Logical Fallacy wrote: »

For what it's worth, I don't think you are narrow minded, i just think you lack the requisite intelligence to genuinely challenge your own views.

:eek:

A Churchill worthy retort.

ScumLord · 14-05-2012 3:28pm

paddyandy wrote: »

Logical Fallacy: ...Why do the neighbouring countries object ?

It's not that the entire country objects, obviously many of the neighbouring countries citizens find it very convenient. It's the usual political football where vocal politicians target cannabis as evil to make them seem somewhat important.

From the police forces point of view a law is being broken so they have to find ways of stopping that law breaking.

micropig · 14-05-2012 3:29pm

Logical Fallacy wrote: »

Holland have altered there stance of tolerated weed for tourists due to the pressure from neighbouring EU countries. In Holland it is largely being viewed as a border province problem that is resulting in nation wide legislation. People cross the border into Holland and load up, return home and sell the stuff illegally within their own country. As such a lot of pressure was put on Holland to do something about this, rather than take any steps like improved border control or customs they sought to make the sale to people from outside of Holland illegal.

This is why the city of Amsterdam is attempting to have the legislation brought in on a provincial basis, so it can be enacted in border provinces but not in others.

You forgot about the nutty right wing government that was in power

paddyandy · 14-05-2012 3:33pm

Snake ; I only look to America to see our own very bleak horizon by the way that society has deteriorated over the past few decades .See the Documentaries on Ghetto life it maybe our future if we continue to ignore the signs all around us . ( links are sometimes dangerous on boards.ie)

micropig · 14-05-2012 3:36pm

paddyandy wrote: »

Snake ; I only look to America to see our own very bleak horizon by the way that society has deteriorated over the past few decades .See the Documentaries on Ghetto life it maybe our future if we continue to ignore the signs all around us . ( links are sometimes dangerous on boards.ie)

Cannabis has been around a lot longer than the last few decades. There are more contributors to the problems of ghettos than just cannabis

robman60 · 14-05-2012 3:38pm

paddyandy wrote: »

Logical Fallacy: ...Why do the neighbouring countries object ?

Because a drug that is illegal in the neighbouring countries can be easily smuggled in by land borders with Netherlands. I think his post was extremely clear, read it more carefully and you'll understand.

I am DEFINITELY in favour of legalisation, although I think a more realistic goal is decriminalisation.

ScumLord · 14-05-2012 3:39pm

paddyandy wrote: »

Snake ; I only look to America to see our own very bleak horizon by the way that society has deteriorated over the past few decades .See the Documentaries on Ghetto life it maybe our future if we continue to ignore the signs all around us . ( links are sometimes dangerous on boards.ie)

In what way have peoples life's deteriorated? By all accounts peoples life's have improved decade on decade. Even the life's of the poor. The only link cannabis has to crime is the government put that money in the hands of criminals for no legitimate reason, cannabis doesn't cause criminal behaviour.

Comparing anything in Ireland to Americas ghettos is laughable.

paddyandy · 14-05-2012 3:39pm

ScumLord wrote: »

It's not that the entire country objects, obviously many of the neighbouring countries citizens find it very convenient. It's the usual political football where vocal politicians target cannabis as evil to make them seem somewhat important.

From the police forces point of view a law is being broken so they have to find ways of stopping that law breaking.

Is it only a political football ?????
or is there another reason ????
and what is/are those reasons ????

micropig · 14-05-2012 3:42pm

paddyandy wrote: »

Is it only a political football ?????
or is there another reason ????
and what is/are those reasons ????

Neighboring countries, where cannabis is not decriminalised , spend money tackling this 'problem' in their own country. Instead of making it legal themselves, they put pressure on the dutch to stop selling it to their citizens.

Look up decriminalisation in Portugal in 2001 and the benefits it has had there

paddyandy · 14-05-2012 3:48pm

If they legalise Cannabis here in Ireland then these are 'the good ole' days ' With all the rubbish that will arrive with it ...An Avalanche with great new Rafts of problems and they may say someday " Did the not learn anything from lessons abroad "?

sean corcoran · 14-05-2012 3:49pm

i dont know if anyone has mentioned this yet but aside from an economy boost from legalisation, the criminal world will also take a huge hit from legalisation and i dont know if anyone else has noticed but the criminal underworld is a huge problem in this country and needs to be tackled head on, things like legalising cannabis will in fact hit these guys where it hurts

ScumLord · 14-05-2012 3:50pm

paddyandy wrote: »

Is it only a political football ?????
or is there another reason ????
and what is/are those reasons ????

Yes it's a political football. A politician looking for some media coverage while doing sweet FA takes a cannabis ball and kicks it at a child's face then starts jumping up and down screaming "look what that football did to that child's face!"

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