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Are you going to pay the household charge? [Part 1]

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    #9782
    alastair
    Registered Users Posts: 19,307 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    tayto lover wrote: »
    No it isn't.
    If I am a motorist i would expect to pay Motor Tax.
    If I was a home owner I would also expect ALL home owners to have to pay.
    If only half the road users had to pay Road Tax would you object ?

    All home owners do have to pay - except for the few who are denied certain local authority services because they're in unfinished estate limbo.


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    #9783
    tayto lover
    Registered Users Posts: 51,585 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    alastair wrote: »
    It's silly to desire a stable and sustainable tax base to get us out of the mess we're in? No-one's 'happy' to pay taxes, but some of us accept that it's a 'good' thing to do so in the face of the alternatives.

    Stable and sustainable maybe but fair .... NO.


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    #9784
    lividduck
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,250 ✭✭✭lividduck


    Wild Bill wrote: »
    After the next election (when this Regime is still be struggling to collect this extortion) a new democratic Government will revoke all penalties associated with this illegitimate tax, abolish it and cancel the "debt" of anyone who hasn't paid.

    The saps who buckled and paid can expect no such respite.
    By the sound of it after the next election (fair and democratic, like the last one) you will still be going on about "illigitimate regimes".
    Since you so despise representative democracy (the sytem we use) how do propose that a legitimate government be elected?
    BTW referring to those who chose to pay for whatever reason as "saps" is offensive, I dont insult those who oppose this tax and wont pay, I would like the same couretesy to be shown to those who chose to pay.


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    #9785
    gerryo777
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,216 ✭✭✭gerryo777


    lugha wrote: »
    Could we not apply the same logic to say that 5,000 people (lets be generous and assume they are all home owners) turned out to protest today, so 1,595,000 did not?

    If 40% is bad, what is 3%? :pac:

    People don't have to go on a march in Dublin to protest!
    Not paying is a protest.


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    #9786
    lugha
    Registered Users Posts: 3,235 ✭✭✭lugha


    tayto lover wrote: »
    No it isn't.
    If I am a motorist i would expect to pay Motor Tax.
    If I was a home owner I would also expect ALL home owners to have to pay.
    If only half the road users had to pay Road Tax would you object ?
    First, some road users (pedestrians, cyclists, public transport users) don’t pay. But the more important point is that those that do pay, pay considerable more than what is needed to maintain the roads. Thus, motorists have to pay this extra tax to the exchequer, that nobody else has to pay, because they are motorists! How is this not discriminatory?


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    #9787
    alastair
    Registered Users Posts: 19,307 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    tayto lover wrote: »
    Stable and sustainable maybe but fair .... NO.

    Absolutely fair. And here to stay.


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    #9788
    Ghandee
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,653 ✭✭✭Ghandee


    alastair wrote: »
    Absolutely fair. And here to stay.

    60% of people might disagree with you.

    (welcome back btw)


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    #9789
    Bullseye1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,731 ✭✭✭Bullseye1


    LOL. And it's a great result for Phil.
    black francis wrote: »
    Still, over 40% have registered and the deadline is still 7 hours away!

    Terrible result for the anti household tax campaign.


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    #9790
    alastair
    Registered Users Posts: 19,307 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    gerryo777 wrote: »
    People don't have to go on a march in Dublin to protest!
    Not paying is a protest.

    Or tardiness, or disinterest, or confusion, or...

    Is not attending the protest, a protest against the protest?


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    #9791
    gerryo777
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,216 ✭✭✭gerryo777


    alastair wrote: »
    Absolutely fair. And here to stay.

    Fair that people who own property subsidise those that don't?


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    #9792
    alastair
    Registered Users Posts: 19,307 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    Ghandee wrote: »
    60% of people might disagree with you.

    (welcome back btw)

    They might, or they might not. Neither of us know for sure. They'll still have to pay up all the same.


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    #9793
    gerryo777
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,216 ✭✭✭gerryo777


    alastair wrote: »
    Or tardiness, or disinterest, or confusion, or...

    Is not attending the protest, a protest against the protest?

    Are you on something?


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    #9794
    lugha
    Registered Users Posts: 3,235 ✭✭✭lugha


    gerryo777 wrote: »
    People don't have to go on a march in Dublin to protest!
    Not paying is a protest.
    Some who did not pay did so as a protest. Some were undoubtedly biding their time to see if the whole thing would collapse. We will only know what the true level of opposition is when we see who still haven't paid in a few months.


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    #9795
    gerryo777
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,216 ✭✭✭gerryo777


    lugha wrote: »
    Some who did not pay did so as a protest. Some were undoubtedly biding their time to see if the whole thing would collapse. We will only know what the true level of opposition is when we see who still haven't paid in a few months.

    We'll see when they whack it up 10 fold who'll pay next year, if it's not scrapped by then.


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    #9796
    alastair
    Registered Users Posts: 19,307 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    gerryo777 wrote: »
    Fair that people who own property subsidise those that don't?

    Just as those who drive might possibly subsidise those who don't? Yep.
    Is it fair that your taxes support welfare for others? Yep. I'd say so. Taxes are a social contract.


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    #9797
    alastair
    Registered Users Posts: 19,307 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    gerryo777 wrote: »
    Are you on something?

    Just following your logic through to its obvious conclusion.


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    #9798
    tayto lover
    Registered Users Posts: 51,585 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    lugha wrote: »
    Some who did not pay did so as a protest. Some were undoubtedly biding their time to see if the whole thing would collapse. We will only know what the true level of opposition is when we see who still haven't paid in a few months.
    Ah NO, the deadline is midnight.


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    #9799
    gerryo777
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,216 ✭✭✭gerryo777


    alastair wrote: »
    Taxes are a social contract.
    Only if you sign up!


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    #9800
    alastair
    Registered Users Posts: 19,307 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    tayto lover wrote: »
    Ah NO, the deadline is midnight.

    It is? Because it seems to me that you can continue to pay up with little additional overhead for a few months yet. It's a pretty insipid deadline.


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    #9801
    lugha
    Registered Users Posts: 3,235 ✭✭✭lugha


    tayto lover wrote: »
    Ah NO, the deadline is midnight.
    Not so. The early bird special finishes tonight! You can still pay tomorrow, only a little more! I expect the number of payees to continue to rise.


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    #9802
    alastair
    Registered Users Posts: 19,307 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    gerryo777 wrote: »
    Only if you sign up!

    You're not invisible - if you're liable, you'll be paying up sooner or later.


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    #9803
    Bullseye1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,731 ✭✭✭Bullseye1


    alastair wrote: »
    They might, or they might not. Neither of us know for sure. They'll still have to pay up all the same.

    If this was a referendum how would you view it? 60 voted no and 40 voted yes? Since when is does minority dictate to the majority? This is not Saudi Arabia.


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    #9804
    tayto lover
    Registered Users Posts: 51,585 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    alastair wrote: »
    It is? Because it seems to me that you can continue to pay up with little additional overhead for a few months yet. It's a pretty inspid deadline.

    Hulk Hogan said no extensions.


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    #9805
    Bullseye1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,731 ✭✭✭Bullseye1


    lugha wrote: »
    Not so. The early bird special finishes tonight! You can still pay tomorrow, only a little more! I expect the number of payees to continue to rise.

    IF people do pay after the deadline do you expect them to chase €10 LOL.


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    #9806
    alastair
    Registered Users Posts: 19,307 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    Bullseye1 wrote: »
    If this was a referendum how would you view it? 60 voted no and 40 voted yes? Since when is does minority dictate to the majority? This is not Saudi Arabia.

    It's not a request. I think that's where you made your mistake.


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    #9807
    alastair
    Registered Users Posts: 19,307 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    tayto lover wrote: »
    Hulk Hogan said no extensions.

    No extensions needed - just the extra tenner/twenty/a lot more, depending how slow you are.


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    #9808
    Bullseye1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,731 ✭✭✭Bullseye1


    alastair wrote: »
    Just as those who drive might possibly subsidise those who don't? Yep.
    Is it fair that your taxes support welfare for others? Yep. I'd say so. Taxes are a social contract.

    You might think its fair but tell that to someone who has no safety net. The self employed. When a substantial portion of the population are precluded from the same social protection it's Wrong!


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    #9809
    Freddie59
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,679 ✭✭✭Freddie59


    PocketAA wrote: »
    I know you jest...but just for the record I'm not a member or activist or promotor of any political lobby group or party

    And no comment on anything else. Of course you're not........:rolleyes:


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    #9810
    Anyone
    Registered Users Posts: 3,376 ✭✭✭Anyone


    Bullseye1 wrote: »
    IF people do pay after the deadline do you expect them to chase €10 LOL.

    They wont have any option but to pay the €110+interest. A payment of less wont be accepted.


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    #9811
    alastair
    Registered Users Posts: 19,307 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    Bullseye1 wrote: »
    You might think its fair but tell that to someone who has no safety net. The self employed. When a substantial portion of the population are precluded from the same social protection it's Wrong!

    I'm self employed. Let me ask myself...


    yep - still a fair system.


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