Are you going to pay the household charge? [Part 1]

tayto lover

Anyone wrote: »

Out of curiosity, is there anything stopping the Gov doing what was done in Greece? There, they put the charge on the electricity bill, if you didnt pay it, you got cut off.

They can do what they like with it as long as it's not a tax for owning a house. That I will never pay.

alastair

tayto lover wrote: »

Maybe that's why I missed you for the last few days:rolleyes:

ONE MILLION is some protest !!!

And the numbers who boycotted today's bash must run to multiples of that million! Amazing show of support for the household charge! Yay!

Chucky the tree

Bullseye1 wrote: »

What happens if someone posts the form in next week or a month from now with a cheque or bank draft for €100? Will they send out a request for €10?

I would not be surprised if they announce an extension forum til September. Leo Veradker mentioned that they only needed to have €160 million in by the end of the tax year.

Why would they do that and say no to all that extra money they will make? It's worked out pretty well for the Government, just enough to keep them on course and push through the tax all the while earning a bit extra due to a lot of people being paying late.

Bullseye1

Anyone wrote: »

Out of curiosity, is there anything stopping the Gov doing what was done in Greece? There, they put the charge on the electricity bill, if you didnt pay it, you got cut off.

Highly unlikely. Why would the ESB which is only semi-state cut off a customer who has been paying their bills?

Anyone

tayto lover wrote: »

They can do what they like with it as long as it's not a tax for owning a house. That I will never pay.

Yeah I know your position Tayto, you say it every 3rd post. But that wasnt what I asked.

tayto lover

alastair wrote: »

And the numbers who boycotted today's bash must run to multiples of that million! Amazing show of support for the household charge! Yay!

ONE MILLION.
Read it and weep !!!

mikom

One million.

Fair play to all.

Bruthal

Anyone wrote: »

Out of curiosity, is there anything stopping the Gov doing what was done in Greece? There, they put the charge on the electricity bill, if you didnt pay it, you got cut off.

Does the electricity bill say who owns a house now?

phil1nj

alastair wrote: »

So, we're in agreement that there wasn't any request for payment - but rather an obligation? Grand so.

Not really. Just highlighting the fact that you are the last person who should be talking about legal obligations on this thread considering your past selective paying of taxes/charges.

alastair

tayto lover wrote: »

ONE MILLION.
Read it and weep !!!

At the cheek of ascribing any specific intent to the number? Okay.

lugha

tayto lover wrote: »

ONE MILLION.
Read it and weep !!!

Er, about 865,000 at the moment, and falling rapidly. :pac:

alastair

Anyone wrote: »

Yeah I know your position Tayto, you say it every 3rd post. But that wasnt what I asked.

The more he repeats it, the more hollow it sounds.

Bullseye1

Chucky the tree wrote: »

Why would they do that and say no to all that extra money they will make? It's worked out pretty well for the Government, just enough to keep them on course and push through the tax all the while earning a bit extra due to a lot of people being paying late.

Because it had been handled poorly. Misinformation, can be paid in post office....oh wait sorry it cannot be paid in post office. Can be paid at your council building today....oh wait it's up to each local authority whether they open today or not.

1 million households have not sighed up yet. They are not going to chase the fines. They would be more than happy just to get the €100 and by alienating the disenfranchised any further will make things worse.

My name is URL

Bullseye1 wrote: »

Highly unlikely. Why would the ESB which is only semi-state cut off a customer who has been paying their bills?

That being said, it still wouldn't surprise me if the threat of similar action was idly made. They're willing to change laws in order to enforce this tax.. while at the same time; turning a blind eye to broken and outdated laws which actually need to be rewritten as they negatively affect the lives of Irish citizens. They've very recently rejected a call by the UN to rethink a number of laws. You can see where their commitments lie..

They can fecking whistle for it as far as I'm concerned.

alastair

phil1nj wrote: »

Not really. Just highlighting the fact that you are the last person who should be talking about legal obligations on this thread considering your past selective paying of taxes/charges.

I'm happy in my stance - past and present. I'm pretty sure there are those who feel justified in not paying this tax too, but they're not the ones pretending it's a 'request'.

ejmaztec

The air must be as blue as the shirts at those private government meetings.:pac:

tayto lover

alastair wrote: »

The more he repeats it, the more hollow it sounds.

1.8 million households.
less than .8 have paid.
Desperate result for F.G.
The question now is will Big Phil survive ?

alastair

Bullseye1 wrote: »

1 million households have not sighed up yet. They are not going to chase the fines. They would be more than happy just to get the €100 and by alienating the disenfranchised any further will make things worse.

Reality calling!

They need the money - and much more. They'll chase it to the ends of the earth (allowing for typical efficiencies).

alastair

My name is URL wrote: »

You can see where their commitments lie.

Keeping the country afloat?

Chucky the tree

Sums up some of the No protesters, stupid scum really.

A near riot broke out during the protests when a Fine Gael delegate who resembled Phil Hogan tried to pass through the crowd.
The man was engulfed by angry protesters and jostled before gardai came to his rescue.
As they attempted to escort him from the area they were surrounded by screaming protesters, some of whom shouted “shame on you Hogan.

http://www.rte.ie/news/2012/0331/alan-shatter-tells-sinn-fein-to-get-a-life.html

ejmaztec

alastair wrote: »

Reality calling!

They need the money - and much more. They'll chase it to the ends of the earth (allowing for typical efficiencies).

It will probably cost the tax-payer more than 160 million by the time they've done that.

tayto lover

747 thousand according to 6 One news have paid.
747 = Plane crash for the Govt.

alastair

ejmaztec wrote: »

It will probably cost the tax-payer more than 160 million by the time they've done that.

Possibly so (though I doubt it), but the bigger money kicks off soon enough - so it's worth their time and effort.

OMARS_COMING_

So the majority of people havent paid.

Epic fail for the goverment! What happens from here?

alastair

tayto lover wrote: »

747 thousand according to 6 One news have paid.
747 = Plane crash for the Govt.

That would drop us below the million mark then - 1.71 million household liable to pay.

My name is URL

alastair wrote: »

Keeping the country afloat?

The country is more than just an economy

heh, I believe that was said by Noonan earlier on today. You'd never think it by the way some people go on.

Chucky the tree

OMARS_COMING_ wrote: »

So the majority of people havent paid.

Epic fail for the goverment! What happens from here?

They'll have to pay the late fee and interest now.

alastair

OMARS_COMING_ wrote: »

So the majority of people havent paid.

Epic fail for the goverment! What happens from here?

The remainder pay.

alastair

My name is URL wrote: »

The country is more than just an economy

heh, I believe that was said by Noonan earlier on today. You'd never think it by the way some people go on.

Who said it was'nt? The country is shafted without resolution of the economic problems however.

arse..biscuits

Chucky the tree wrote: »

Sums up some of the No protesters, stupid scum really.

A near riot broke out during the protests when a Fine Gael delegate who resembled Phil Hogan tried to pass through the crowd.
The man was engulfed by angry protesters and jostled before gardai came to his rescue.
As they attempted to escort him from the area they were surrounded by screaming protesters, some of whom shouted “shame on you Hogan.

http://www.rte.ie/news/2012/0331/alan-shatter-tells-sinn-fein-to-get-a-life.html

If the no side are stupid scum, then there is a lot of stupid scum, we're in the majority