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Are you going to pay the household charge? [Part 1]

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  • #3602
    Daroxtar
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,358 ✭✭✭Daroxtar


    Ghandee wrote: »
    Here's where your hundred euro is going. (which don't forget will soon be thousands)

    Not too fussed on Vincent Brown tbh, but at least he managed to get this German banker squirming!

    Don't register, don't pay!

    It's torturous listening to more than 30 seconds of that bumbling twit. I don't care what point he's making or trying to make, could he not have at least tried to speak using some form of understandable syntax? How the hell did he get a job broadcasting? Paper journalism...ya, no problem but public speaking just doesn't suit him at all
    Write your bloody questions down and come up with some form of order to them instead of just letting your mouth run Vinny


  • #3603
    dvpower
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,183 ✭✭✭dvpower


    Am Chile wrote: »
    Going nowhere? you obviously haven,t being paying attention to any of the protests, or any of the big public meetings attended by hundreds over the last few weeks
    Big public meetings attended by ... what did you say... 'hundreds':pac:


  • #3604
    Am Chile
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,025 ✭✭✭Am Chile


    dvpower wrote: »
    Big public meetings attended by ... what did you say... 'hundreds':pac:

    Yeah I said hundreds, you can read I take it?


  • #3605
    Cowenwatch
    Registered Users Posts: 21 ✭Cowenwatch


    Anyone who pays this charge is a fool Full Stop The only way it will work is if everyone pays. If people dont pay the Gov go back to the drawing board. Your controlled by coercion and consent. They cant force you to pay but if you consent to it thats a different kettle of fish. For the love of god stick up for your rights


  • #3606
    Groinshot
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,042 ✭✭✭Groinshot


    Noreen1 wrote: »
    If your friends parents have no mortgage, and savings galore, then it seems that they bought a house that they could afford.
    I'm sure they also paid thousands in stamp duty - so what exactly is your problem with them?
    They did. I have no problem with them, my point is that some people can afford to contribute much much more than they are, whereas others like me are just about getting by on what we've got. the last thing I need is another hike in income tax, because 2% of my salary is more than a hundred quid.
    Seems to me like the people that have the problem paying this are the people who bought houses they couldn't afford anyway...
    mikom wrote: »
    Ask those parents how much tax they paid down through the years.
    Ask them to tell you about when they paid 50p tax for each pound earned.
    They probably paid for your parents collage education with their taxes, and they certainly paid for your primary education.

    They bought/built the house and paid tax on it at the time as well.

    I know they contributed to that, don't get me wrong, but the fact is they're in a better position to contribute financially than I am, so why shouldn't they?They didn't pay for my parents college education, because neither of my parents have college educations.

    To the poster that said there's more families that are the opposite to this, that's true, my family are in the same boat, but if there's a 2% income tax hike, that means that my families total income (including mine) would drop below the point of me being able to afford to rent in dublin, and force me out of college, whereas a 100 euro charge won't kill us. it's the cost of 2 pints a month...


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  • #3607
    ebixa82
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,289 ✭✭✭ebixa82


    So from this poll only 39% have actually said that they won't pay.

    Considering the demograph of posters on AH I think it's safe to say that, in the general population this figure will be substantially lower.

    As the months pass by, and adds in the media highlighting penalties and interest emerge, I think the government will be happy enough with levels of compliance.


  • #3608
    dvpower
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,183 ✭✭✭dvpower


    ebixa82 wrote: »
    So from this poll only 39% have actually said that they won't pay.
    But 20pc of posters aren't liable, so the AH figure is around 50pc

    The No campaign is actually going to aid the household charge. It is too small to be sucessful but it does get bits and pieces of media coverage, a constant reminder to people that the charge exists and the deadline is approaching.


  • #3609
    Slick50
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,062 ✭✭✭Slick50


    ebixa82 wrote: »
    So from this poll only 39% have actually said that they won't pay.

    As the months pass by, and adds in the media highlighting penalties and interest emerge, I think the government will be happy enough with levels of compliance.

    If you look at just the Yes and No figure, it has been a steady 60% No to 40% Yes all along.

    I think a lot of people who are going to pay haven't really thought out the potential long term consequences of this tax. One definite one is it will only increase year after year. What new legislation will they decide to introduce in the future when it becomes more difficult for people to make the payment?

    I understand they have to raise taxes. But I don't think it should be raised on something people have already bought and paid for, least of all something as fundamental as the family home.


  • #3610
    Bruthal
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,422 ✭✭✭✭Bruthal


    Groinshot wrote: »
    it's the cost of 2 pints a month...

    We have been through this "small charge" already. The problem is, its a small charge to get people to register. Then comes the real charge.


  • #3611
    dxhound2005
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,562 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    robbie7730 wrote: »
    We have been through this "small charge" already. The problem is, its a small charge to get people to register. Then comes the real charge.

    Do you think that by not registering this year you will avoid the charge forever? The legislation says otherwise. All you will have succeded in doing is adding interest and arrears to your charge whenever it is collected. Everyone who pays their €100 can sleep easy for the next 9 months.


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  • #3612
    Noreen1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,654 ✭✭✭Noreen1


    Groinshot wrote: »
    They did. I have no problem with them, my point is that some people can afford to contribute much much more than they are, whereas others like me are just about getting by on what we've got. the last thing I need is another hike in income tax, because 2% of my salary is more than a hundred quid.
    Seems to me like the people that have the problem paying this are the people who bought houses they couldn't afford anyway...



    I know they contributed to that, don't get me wrong, but the fact is they're in a better position to contribute financially than I am, so why shouldn't they?They didn't pay for my parents college education, because neither of my parents have college educations.

    To the poster that said there's more families that are the opposite to this, that's true, my family are in the same boat, but if there's a 2% income tax hike, that means that my families total income (including mine) would drop below the point of me being able to afford to rent in dublin, and force me out of college, whereas a 100 euro charge won't kill us. it's the cost of 2 pints a month...

    If your friends parents have no pension, and are living off their savings - then I presume they want to make those savings last as long as possible. Their house is presumably either unsaleable atm, or it's only possible to sell it at a considerable loss.
    If they have no mortgage, and didn't contribute to the "bubble" - then why should they pay for the reckless actions of banks and property developers?

    I can afford to pay €100 this year, but I'm not going to.
    Why? Because by 2014/15, the property tax is estimated to cost €800, I'll be liable for water charges, site tax, and a septic tank charge.
    What will all that cost?

    I don't know. I do know that I have a daughter finishing college this year, and a son starting next year. It wasn't easy, financially, to put my daughter through college - it will cost even more to get my son through.
    If they keep piling on the taxes, there's a very real possibility that I will not be able to afford to pay for another four years of college.

    Faced with a choice between ensuring that my son has a future (even if it's not in this Country), and paying for mistakes that I didn't make - I know which one I will choose.


  • #3613
    tayto lover
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 52,748 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    dxhound2005 wrote: »
    Do you think that by not registering this year you will avoid the charge forever? The legislation says otherwise. All you will have succeded in doing is adding interest and arrears to your charge whenever it is collected. Everyone who pays their €100 can sleep easy for the next 9 months.

    I hear there's a "Pillow Tax" coming.


  • #3614
    dxhound2005
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,562 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    Noreen1 wrote: »
    If your friends parents have no pension, and are living off their savings - then I presume they want to make those savings last as long as possible. Their house is presumably either unsaleable atm, or it's only possible to sell it at a considerable loss.
    If they have no mortgage, and didn't contribute to the "bubble" - then why should they pay for the reckless actions of banks and property developers?

    I can afford to pay €100 this year, but I'm not going to.
    Why? Because by 2014/15, the property tax is estimated to cost €800, I'll be liable for water charges, site tax, and a septic tank charge.
    What will all that cost?

    I don't know. I do know that I have a daughter finishing college this year, and a son starting next year. It wasn't easy, financially, to put my daughter through college - it will cost even more to get my son through.
    If they keep piling on the taxes, there's a very real possibility that I will not be able to afford to pay for another four years of college.

    Faced with a choice between ensuring that my son has a future (even if it's not in this Country), and paying for mistakes that I didn't make - I know which one I will choose.

    €800 estimated by who? Water metering if it comes in will be a good idea making people conserve a precious resource. What site tax? Septic tank inspection charge is €5 once off. If your septic tank is causing pollution you should fix it, if it isn't then no need to worry.


  • #3615
    dxhound2005
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,562 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    tayto lover wrote: »
    I hear there's a "Pillow Tax" coming.

    It will depend on the size of your head.


  • #3616
    tayto lover
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 52,748 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    dxhound2005 wrote: »
    It will depend on the size of your head.

    As long as it's not the size of your brain then :D


  • #3617
    Bruthal
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,422 ✭✭✭✭Bruthal


    dxhound2005 wrote: »
    Everyone who pays their €100 can sleep easy for the next 9 months.

    Well i hope the people who dont sleep well at night because of financial difficulties, do find that paying this charge works wonders for their insomnia.


  • #3618
    goz83
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,034 ✭✭✭goz83


    My wife just paid it. I'm furious about it. While it's only €100 now, it will be more next year. I fundamentally disagree with taxing a family home, especially when the funds from it are going to pay banking debt we've already been saddled with.


  • #3619
    Chinafoot
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,894 ✭✭✭Chinafoot


    I'm renting so this charge doesn't currently apply to me.

    I am completely against the manner in which local authorities are advertising this charge. The public seem to be under the impression that the money they pay to their local authority "to fund local services" will stay with the local authority. It doesn't. It goes back to central government. Originally local authorities were to have nothing to do with this charge at all. Hogan only back-tracked when it finally dawned on him that 1.6m people are not going to pay this charge online so a cash alternative had to be looked at. Sure, there was going to be a €10 penalty for paying in cash ffs.

    Also, the agency that were originally tasked with collecting this money doesn't legally exist as its a merger of two government bodies that hasn't happened yet. The whole thing is just dodge.


  • #3620
    Cantona's Collars
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,709 ✭✭✭✭Cantona's Collars


    All the protests with only hundreds attending is very misleading,the sheer amount of people that didn't attend any protest yet are refusing to pay is staggering so those posters with the smart remarks about the "small protests" are sorely mistaken and underestimate the wave of anger over this.I've yet to meet anyone who is going to pay it.


  • #3621
    mikom
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,391 ✭✭✭✭mikom


    zerks wrote: »
    All the protests with only hundreds attending is very misleading,the sheer amount of people that didn't attend any protest yet are refusing to pay is staggering so those posters with the smart remarks about the "small protests" are sorely mistaken and underestimate the wave of anger over this.I've yet to meet anyone who is going to pay it.

    Quoted for truth.
    The very design of this tax makes it one of the easiest to protest........ simply sit at home and do nothing.


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  • #3622
    dvpower
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,183 ✭✭✭dvpower


    zerks wrote: »
    All the protests with only hundreds attending is very misleading,the sheer amount of people that didn't attend any protest yet are refusing to pay is staggering so those posters with the smart remarks about the "small protests" are sorely mistaken and underestimate the wave of anger over this.I've yet to meet anyone who is going to pay it.
    How can you possibly know that the numbers refusing to pay is staggering?
    All we have to tell these numbers are the poll results, the protest numbers and anecdote.

    More wishful thinking.
    By the way, everyone I ask is going to pay it. Go figure.


  • #3623
    SafeSurfer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,748 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    I meet ans speak to a lot of different people every day. Of the many people I have spoken to, only one has registered to pay the charge, others were non committal but the vast majority were opposed and determined not to pay.

    That is my experience from talking to people, not a scientific poll or anything.

    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



  • #3624
    Cantona's Collars
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,709 ✭✭✭✭Cantona's Collars


    dvpower wrote: »
    How can you possibly know that the numbers refusing to pay is staggering?
    All we have to tell these numbers are the poll results, the protest numbers and anecdote.

    More wishful thinking.
    By the way, everyone I ask is going to pay it. Go figure.

    You must have asked your local Gardai-they have to pay it.


  • #3625
    dvpower
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,183 ✭✭✭dvpower


    zerks wrote: »
    You must have asked your local Gardai-they have to pay it.
    Every non exempted householder has to pay it.


  • #3626
    Ghandee
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,653 ✭✭✭Ghandee


    dvpower wrote: »
    Every non exempted householder has to pay it.

    And so far only +/- 10% have.


    Complete failure IMO.


  • #3627
    SeaFields
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,551 ✭✭✭SeaFields


    Did anyone get a leaflet through the door about this yet? I got one today (strange i thought as it is a saturday so obviously wasn't delivered by the postman). I am in a rural area too

    Also the girlfriends father came across someone today around his yard and when he approached him the man asked had he registered his septic tank. Assuming the guy was just casing the place he was told to get off the land which he did. Again if he was an official, it was strange because it's the weekend. :confused:


  • #3628
    Am Chile
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,025 ✭✭✭Am Chile


    zerks wrote: »
    All the protests with only hundreds attending is very misleading,the sheer amount of people that didn't attend any protest yet are refusing to pay is staggering so those posters with the smart remarks about the "small protests" are sorely mistaken and underestimate the wave of anger over this.I've yet to meet anyone who is going to pay it.

    Public meetings have being attended by thousands around the country, as for some of the protests that have drawn hundreds there,s a reason for that, some of those protests are in small towns/small villages.

    Some recent protests, photos from todays anti austerity protest in Tipperary.

    http://www.facebook.com/#!/media/set/?set=a.10150558662690887.373764.545750886&type=3



  • #3629
    Am Chile
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,025 ✭✭✭Am Chile


    SeaFields wrote: »
    Did anyone get a leaflet through the door about this yet? I got one today (strange i thought as it is a saturday so obviously wasn't delivered by the postman). I am in a rural area too

    Also the girlfriends father came across someone today around his yard and when he approached him the man asked had he registered his septic tank. Assuming the guy was just casing the place he was told to get off the land which he did. Again if he was an official, it was strange because it's the weekend. :confused:

    Was it this leaflet you received?

    http://www.sdublincoco.ie/viewdocument.aspx?id=7665c662-030e-41cd-88c6-9ff600ea13ab


  • #3630
    dvpower
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,183 ✭✭✭dvpower


    Am Chile wrote: »
    ... as for some of the protests that have drawn hundreds there,s a reason for that, some of those protests are in small towns/small villages.
    The turnouts in the large urban centres were also very low, for example, an anti household charge protest in Cork attracted only 500 people.
    That doesn't point to large scale opposition, and nor do the polls. Time will tell I suppose.


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  • #3631
    SeaFields
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,551 ✭✭✭SeaFields


    Yep, thats the one. I assume people must have got it a lot earlier than us so.


  • #3632
    Am Chile
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,025 ✭✭✭Am Chile


    SeaFields wrote: »
    Yep, thats the one. I assume people must have got it a lot earlier than us so.

    If you still have it, please post it to phil hogan,grovine,co kilkenny.


  • #3633
    SeaFields
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,551 ✭✭✭SeaFields


    Am Chile wrote: »
    If you still have it, please post it to phil hogan,grovine,co kilkenny.

    Ahh thats a pity, I used it to start the fire.


  • #3634
    Am Chile
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,025 ✭✭✭Am Chile


    dvpower wrote: »
    The turnouts in the large urban centres were also very low, for example, an anti household charge protest in Cork attracted only 500 people.
    That doesn't point to large scale opposition, and nor do the polls. Time will tell I suppose.

    There,s also a signifigant number of people who won,t be paying the household tax, but also have no Interest in protests/rallies, several friends/relatives of mine won,t be paying the household tax and told me they won,t be going on any marches.

    One poster here who won,t be paying the household tax has stated a similar viewpoint.
    I have no intention of marching or protesting and there are many like me ...... we are just not going to pay.

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=77287412&postcount=3346


  • #3635
    Slick50
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,062 ✭✭✭Slick50


    dvpower wrote: »
    That doesn't point to large scale opposition, and nor do the polls. Time will tell I suppose.

    The government couldn't care less about people "marching". That is to demonstrate to other people that they are not alone in their opposition to this tax. The returns by the end of the month will be the real proof of public sentiment.

    I see we are still not getting a break down of the numbers registered, re: how many are paying versus how many are claiming exemption.


  • #3636
    Am Chile
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,025 ✭✭✭Am Chile


    Slick50 wrote: »
    The government couldn't care less about people "marching". That is to demonstrate to other people that they are not alone in their opposition to this tax. The returns by the end of the month will be the real proof of public sentiment.

    I see we are still not getting a break down of the numbers registered, re: how many are paying versus how many are claiming exemption.

    That,s one thing we don,t know the less then 10 % registered how many of those registered actually paid and how many just registered to claim their excemption.


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  • #3637
    Noreen1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,654 ✭✭✭Noreen1


    dxhound2005 wrote: »
    €800 estimated by who? Water metering if it comes in will be a good idea making people conserve a precious resource. What site tax? Septic tank inspection charge is €5 once off. If your septic tank is causing pollution you should fix it, if it isn't then no need to worry.

    Surely you are aware that the Governments stated intention is to raise €160 million this year, increasing to €1.6 Billion by 2014?
    Since the majority of those liable to pay this tax will not be living in mansions, the €800 estimation quoted by various News sources would appear to be reasonable.
    I believe one source is quoted earlier in this thread, if I remember correctly.

    Water metering in your opinion will be a good idea.
    I, and others, have stated valid objections in the relevant thread.
    It's interesting that you are so supportive of the idea, before knowing exactly how much it will cost.
    For that matter, why do you assume that it needs to be conserved everywhere in the Country?

    Septic tank charge has been reduced to €5, for part of this year.
    My septic tank causes no pollution. It was purposely built to exceed the required standards, since I also have a spring well, which I wouldn't dream of contaminating.

    It is rather disingenuous to suggest that this is a once off charge, since older septic tanks (not mine) are likely to require expensive maintenance.
    There is also the issue of when some bureaucrat may decide to change the required standards.
    I'm not so naive that I believe for one second that this charge is not another money spinner for the Government, European directive or no.
    I have very little doubt that in a year or two, the Government will find that our economic circumstances have changed, and it will be necessary to introduce inspection charges (probably by another name, just so no-one can accuse Mr Hogan of breaking promises, or lying!:rolleyes:)


  • #3638
    dvpower
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,183 ✭✭✭dvpower


    Noreen1 wrote: »
    Surely you are aware that the Governments stated intention is to raise €160 million this year, increasing to €1.6 Billion by 2014?
    Source?


  • #3639
    goz83
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,034 ✭✭✭goz83


    dvpower wrote: »
    Source?


    The 160 million is public knowledge for the household charge. I believe the Noreen1 was only sarcastically speculating on the rise to 1.6 billion by 2014, as there was a question mark in her sentence.

    However, if the average fee is to rise to 800 per year, then the annual household charge will generate circa 1.28 billion. add the water charge, estimated at €500 per year per house and that figure becomes 2.8 billion. It is almost 1am, so my maths might be a bit off.


  • #3640
    Noreen1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,654 ✭✭✭Noreen1


    dvpower wrote: »
    Source?


    http://www.sligochampion.ie/news/large-crowd-sends-out-a-clear-message-3022391.html
    Anger abounded when ESRI economist, John Fitzgerald, was quoted by Mr. Bree as saying that the average property tax will rise to €800 per annum - notwithstanding an additional water charge estimated at €500 each year.
    http://www.indymedia.ie/article/101103
    The Government’s stated intention is to raise 160 million euro next year from this tax and by 2014 1.6 billion euro. Phil Hogan indicated this when he proposed the legislation earlier in the year
    It's 1 am, Goodnight!


  • #3641
    Cantona's Collars
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,709 ✭✭✭✭Cantona's Collars


    Am Chile wrote: »
    Public meetings have being attended by thousands around the country, as for some of the protests that have drawn hundreds there,s a reason for that, some of those protests are in small towns/small villages.

    Some recent protests, photos from todays anti austerity protest in Tipperary.

    http://www.facebook.com/#!/media/set/?set=a.10150558662690887.373764.545750886&type=3


    My point was that no matter how many actually hit the streets,the main thing is the general non compliance when it comes to this charge,DVPower and other supporters of this tax are of the impression that people will pay it because they aren't out marching but as Mikom stated,it's easy to protest just by continuing living your life but not paying this bloody tax.


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  • #3642
    dvpower
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,183 ✭✭✭dvpower


    Noreen1 wrote: »
    http://www.sligochampion.ie/news/large-crowd-sends-out-a-clear-message-3022391.html

    http://www.indymedia.ie/article/101103

    It's 1 am, Goodnight!
    Noreen,
    These aren't sources for what you said.
    One is a second hand account of what an economist who isn't a member of government nor a representative of government may (or not) have said.

    The second is what Indymedia say Minister Hogan indicated, without explaining how he indicated it and without a direct quote.

    I haven't looked into it in any detail yet, but if this is what leads you to characterise it as the 'Governments stated objective', then you are just scaremongering.


  • #3643
    Slick50
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,062 ✭✭✭Slick50


    dvpower wrote: »
    Source?

    You've been involved in this thread long enough to have seen numerous references to the fact that this is only a precursor to a full blown property tax. In the MOU, which has been cited as a legally binding reason for "having to" introduce this tax, (that Enda and Eamon had no authority to negotiate) the stated goals show of how much they intend to raise. This was discussed at length, you couldn't have missed it, you cited the MOU.

    dvpower wrote: »
    The property tax is in the MOU. This was in place before the election so it isn't something that was cobbled together.


  • #3644
    mikom
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,391 ✭✭✭✭mikom


    THE PROPOSED PROPERTY tax will raise around €500 million in annual revenue, three times more than the new household charge will bring in, the Taoiseach Enda Kenny has said.
    He said the measure will aim to bring in funds “of the order of half a billion”.
    Although the household charge was expected to be in place until 2014, the government has indicated the new property tax could come into effect as early as 2013.

    http://www.thejournal.ie/property-tax-will-raise-around-e500m-taoiseach-312372-Dec2011/

    Now add water rates and septic tank inspection fees (gonna be just like the NCT).


  • #3645
    dvpower
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,183 ✭✭✭dvpower


    Slick50 wrote: »
    You've been involved in this thread long enough to have seen numerous references to the fact that this is only a precursor to a full blown property tax. In the MOU, which has been cited as a legally binding reason for "having to" introduce this tax, (that Enda and Eamon had no authority to negotiate) the stated goals show of how much they intend to raise. This was discussed at length, you couldn't have missed it.
    I was asking about the specific claim that the government intends to increase this tax to bring in 1.6bn by 2014.

    Can you point to evidence of that specific intention either on this thread or elsewhere?


  • #3646
    Slick50
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,062 ✭✭✭Slick50


    dvpower wrote: »
    I was asking about the specific claim that the government intends to increase this tax to bring in 1.6bn by 2014.

    Can you point to evidence of that specific intention either on this thread or elsewhere?

    It's in the MOU.


  • #3647
    dvpower
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,183 ✭✭✭dvpower


    Slick50 wrote: »
    It's in the MOU.
    You'll be able to quote it so?


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    Slick50
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,062 ✭✭✭Slick50


    dvpower wrote: »
    You'll be able to quote it so?
    dvpower wrote: »
    There is a link to more details further back on this thread.

    Later.


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    dxhound2005
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,562 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    As far as I know nothing has been determined regarding the property tax. There has been lots of speculation and some people are getting themselves wound up worrying about what they will have to pay next year and beyond. As it stands €100 will keep you on the right side of the law this year (€105 if you have a non-polluting septic tank) and not paying will only make it more expensive, it will not let you opt out of the system forever.

    This group is taking submissions at the moment and I read elsewhere that it is due to make its initial report in April.

    http://www.environ.ie/en/LocalGovernment/LocalGovernmentAdministration/LocalGovernmentFinance/Inter-DepartmentalGrouponPropertyTax/


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    goz83
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    dvpower wrote: »
    I was asking about the specific claim that the government intends to increase this tax to bring in 1.6bn by 2014.

    Can you point to evidence of that specific intention either on this thread or elsewhere?

    http://www.independent.ie/national-news/landlords-will-pass-on-the-100-household-charge-to-tenants-following-introduction-in-budget-2965638.html

    5th and 4th paragraph from the bottom.


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    dxhound2005
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,562 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    goz83 wrote: »
    http://www.independent.ie/national-news/landlords-will-pass-on-the-100-household-charge-to-tenants-following-introduction-in-budget-2965638.html

    5th and 4th paragraph from the bottom.

    That doesn't make sense. I think someone is confusing €160 million and €1.6 billion.


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