Are you going to pay the household charge? [Part 1]

billyhead · 01-03-2012 8:10pm

If the majority of people do not pay the charge do you not think that there would be uproar by the people who have actually paid and that they will be looking for a refund. I would think most people will pay this charge before the end of the deadline. I have registered and paid it myself and would be weel pissed like plenty of others if a huge amount of people get away with not paying

Slick50 · 01-03-2012 8:13pm

Weylin wrote: »

Late Payment Penalties.......

READ ALL THE ABOVE AND ABSORB IT ,BEFORE STATING THAT YOU WONT PAY THE CHARGE,IF YOU STILL DONT PAY THEN YOU ARE AN IDIOT.

Not if this morally wrong, unjust and unfair tax, is scrapped, and that is how it is looking. Then it will be those who have paid who are idiots, because Enda won't be sending out refunds.

squod · 01-03-2012 8:14pm

billyhead wrote: »

I have registered and paid it myself and would be weel pissed like plenty of others if a huge amount of people get away with not paying

Better spent on a horse. You took a gamble etc...

dvpower · 01-03-2012 8:20pm

billyhead wrote: »

I have registered and paid it myself and would be weel pissed like plenty of others if a huge amount of people get away with not paying

That's what happened the last time we had a property tax. Lots of people paid. Lots more didn't. The tax was scrapped. The people who paid didn't get a refund. The people who didn't pay largely got away with it.

greenpilot · 01-03-2012 8:50pm

billyhead wrote: »

If the majority of people do not pay the charge do you not think that there would be uproar by the people who have actually paid and that they will be looking for a refund. I would think most people will pay this charge before the end of the deadline. I have registered and paid it myself and would be weel pissed like plenty of others if a huge amount of people get away with not paying

Why did you jump and pay? Was that not a tad foolish, considering that most people are not paying. This charge will not carry. There are quite a lot of folk with backbones out there... no offence...

greenpilot · 01-03-2012 8:59pm

Weylin wrote: »

Late Payment Penalties.

Payments made within 3 and 6 months of 31st March 2012 – a 10% penalty plus 1%
interest per month.
Payments made between 6 and 12 months late – a 20% penalty plus 1% interest per
month .
Payments more than 12 months late – a 30% penalty plus 1% interest per month
So – if someone is 12 months late paying the €100 household charge – they will owe

€130 plus another €12 interest – a total of €142.

If charges remain unpaid, a charge will remain attached to the property – the
accumulated unpaid charges and late payment penalties will have to be discharged in
full before the transfer or sale of the property can be completed.
Where a relevant local authority receives payment in full of a household charge, all related late payment fees and late payment interest in respect of a residential property, it shall, on application to it in writing by or on behalf of the owner of the residential property, within 14 days, give that owner a certificate (in this section referred to as a “certificate of discharge”) confirming that the household charge in respect of the year concerned has been paid and that no late payment fee or late payment interest is due or owing in respect of the property for that year.
READ ALL THE ABOVE AND ABSORB IT ,BEFORE STATING THAT YOU WONT PAY THE CHARGE,IF YOU STILL DONT PAY THEN YOU ARE AN IDIOT.

What planet are you living on buddy...most rural houses will NEVER be sold, as they are family homes, passed on through the generations. We rural folk dont give a flying toss about the Household charge, especially as we already pay for water etc through group water schemes.....jesus you live in a bubble... If you have already paid, it is you, sir who is an idiot.

dvpower · 01-03-2012 9:23pm

greenpilot wrote: »

What planet are you living on buddy...most rural houses will NEVER be sold, as they are family homes, passed on through the generations. We rural folk dont give a flying toss about the Household charge, especially as we already pay for water etc through group water schemes.....jesus you live in a bubble... If you have already paid, it is you, sir who is an idiot.

Rural dwellers are more likely to pay than urban dwellers according to the recent poll.

donalg1 · 01-03-2012 10:36pm

greenpilot wrote: »

Weylin wrote: »

Late Payment Penalties.

Payments made within 3 and 6 months of 31st March 2012 – a 10% penalty plus 1%
interest per month.
Payments made between 6 and 12 months late – a 20% penalty plus 1% interest per
month .
Payments more than 12 months late – a 30% penalty plus 1% interest per month
So – if someone is 12 months late paying the €100 household charge – they will owe

€130 plus another €12 interest – a total of €142.

If charges remain unpaid, a charge will remain attached to the property – the
accumulated unpaid charges and late payment penalties will have to be discharged in
full before the transfer or sale of the property can be completed.
Where a relevant local authority receives payment in full of a household charge, all related late payment fees and late payment interest in respect of a residential property, it shall, on application to it in writing by or on behalf of the owner of the residential property, within 14 days, give that owner a certificate (in this section referred to as a “certificate of discharge”) confirming that the household charge in respect of the year concerned has been paid and that no late payment fee or late payment interest is due or owing in respect of the property for that year.
READ ALL THE ABOVE AND ABSORB IT ,BEFORE STATING THAT YOU WONT PAY THE CHARGE,IF YOU STILL DONT PAY THEN YOU ARE AN IDIOT.

What planet are you living on buddy...most rural houses will NEVER be sold, as they are family homes, passed on through the generations. We rural folk dont give a flying toss about the Household charge, especially as we already pay for water etc through group water schemes.....jesus you live in a bubble... If you have already paid, it is you, sir who is an idiot.

By passed on I assume you mean transferred which requires a transfer order which in order to get one the charges against the property have to be cleared same as if it was sold.

mikom · 01-03-2012 10:43pm

donalg1 wrote: »

By passed on I assume you mean transferred which requires a transfer order which in order to get one the charges against the property have to be cleared same as if it was sold.

Will written to state that transfer of the property does not pass to your spouse or children until 12 years after you die.
Family stays living in the house for 12 years after you die, biding their time.

Problem?

donalg1 · 01-03-2012 11:43pm

mikom wrote: »

donalg1 wrote: »

By passed on I assume you mean transferred which requires a transfer order which in order to get one the charges against the property have to be cleared same as if it was sold.

Will written to state that transfer of the property does not pass to your spouse or children until 12 years after you die.
Family stays living in the house for 12 years after you die, biding their time.

Problem?

Isn't the twelve years only applicable to the penalty interest and the charge itself stays on it? Plus what happens if there are a few children grown up could they wait 12 years to sort it out.

dxhound2005 · 01-03-2012 11:57pm

mikom wrote: »

Will written to state that transfer of the property does not pass to your spouse or children until 12 years after you die.
Family stays living in the house for 12 years after you die, biding their time.

Problem?

Maybe.

(3) Where a person who is the sole owner of a residential property
dies and, at the date of his or her death, a household charge, a late
payment fee, late payment interest or any part of such charge, fee or
interest remains unpaid in relation to that property, no further late
payment fee or late payment interest shall be payable in accordance
with subsection (1) in relation to that property until a grant of representation
to the estate of the deceased person issues to the personal
representative of such deceased person.
(4) The personal representative of a deceased person shall, as
soon as a grant of representation to the estate of the deceased person
issues to him or her, be liable to pay to the relevant local authority
the full amount due and owing by the deceased, at the date of his or
her death, in respect of a household charge and related late payment
fee and late payment interest.
(5) If the said full amount is paid by the said personal representative
within 3 months of the date of issue of a grant of representation
to the estate of the deceased person, he or she shall have no further
liability in respect of the said household charge and related late payment
fee and late payment interest due and owing by the deceased
at the date of his or her death.
(6) If the said full amount is not paid by the said personal representative
within 3 months of the date of issue of a grant of representation
to the estate of the deceased person, he or she shall be
liable to pay to the relevant local authority, in addition to the said
full amount, a late payment fee and late payment interest in respect
of each month or part of a month in which any part of such charge,
fee or interest remains unpaid from the date of such issue.
(7) In this section, a reference to “grant of representation” is,
where 2 or more such grants are issued to the estate of a deceased
person, a reference to the first of such grants to issue.

http://www.oireachtas.ie/documents/bills28/bills/2011/7411/b7411s.pdf

mikom · 02-03-2012 12:46am

Weekend at Bernies 3.

Let's hope it never gets that far.

Slick50 · 02-03-2012 1:00am

If this tax is defeated now, there will be no attachment to worry about. They cannot attach a debit without a court order. If this tax fails, neither the government or council are going to try and pursue people through the courts for a tax that is defunct.

socco · 02-03-2012 1:13am

Slick50 wrote: »

If this tax is defeated now, there will be no attachment to worry about. They cannot attach a debit without a court order. If this tax fails, neither the government or council are going to try and pursue people through the courts for a tax that is defunct.

if this tax fails how are they going to make up the budget shortfall? (not the entire budget shortfall but the money they'd planned to raise with this which they now won't).

Slick50 · 02-03-2012 1:30am

socco wrote: »

if this tax fails how are they going to make up the budget shortfall? (not the entire budget shortfall but the money they'd planned to raise with this which they now won't).

This has been asked and answered numerous times earlier in this thread, in different ways. That is for the government to figure, this is an unfair and unjust tax, it is up to them to come up with a better, and more acceptable way.

D_murph · 02-03-2012 3:02am

socco wrote: »

if this tax fails how are they going to make up the budget shortfall? (not the entire budget shortfall but the money they'd planned to raise with this which they now won't).

That is their problem. Mine is to hang on to my money and that €100 means a lot more to me than it will do for them.

They have plenty well paid (with our tax money :rolleyes:) advisors who can come up with plan B for them. Let Enda's buddy earn the 35K raise he granted him last year :rolleyes:.

Mr CJ · 02-03-2012 5:10pm

Thumbs up to father priest!!

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/priest-stands-by-call-for-household-charge-boycott-3037787.html

I read somewhere also that there may be an extension to the DL this proves that the no people are winning!! The government are desperate... they can FOFF and shove there extension where the sun dont shine we still aint paying!!!!

dvpower · 02-03-2012 5:37pm

Mr CJ wrote: »

I read somewhere also that there may be an extension to the DL this proves that the no people are winning!! The government are desperate... they can FOFF and shove there extension where the sun dont shine we still aint paying!!!!

Where did you 'read' this? - I can't see it anywhere.

There was a call for them to extend the date for signing up for Direct Debit payment to the end of March, but this was rejected

Phil Hogan has said people who want to pay by direct debit have had plenty of time to do so and everyone else has until the end of March.

dvpower · 02-03-2012 5:39pm

Mr CJ wrote: »

Thumbs up to father priest!!

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/priest-stands-by-call-for-household-charge-boycott-3037787.html

He was on PK this morning and it turns out he's not liable for the charge himself.

Very easy to encourage others to break the law and face the consequences, when there are no consequences for you at all.

squod · 02-03-2012 5:43pm

dvpower wrote: »

Very easy to encourage others to break the law and face the consequences, when there are no consequences for you at all.

Very easy to introduce ridiculous laws designed to bail-out your mates, when there are no consequences for you at all.

mikom · 02-03-2012 5:46pm

Latest campaign news........

Campaign Against Household and Water Tax- Major National Rally announced.

In the week that the Government announced that less than 10% have paid
their hated Household Tax, the Campaign Against the Tax has announced
a Major Rally to be held in Dublin.

On Saturday 24th March 2012
Venue;- National Boxing Stadium (South Circular Road) Dublin 8

We would ask all supporters of the campaign to keep that date free and
to strain every muscle to attend the Rally.
More details of the rally will follow in the next few days.

The National Steering Committee will meet tomorrow to tie down the
details in relation to the National Rally .
The Rally will serve to build up the campaign before the Governments
deadline on the tax of 31st March.

The venue will comfortably seat 2000 people and we will need
indications from all of how many are coming.

Pat Waine
Helpdesk
1890989800

Groinshot · 02-03-2012 6:16pm

squod wrote: »

Very easy to introduce ridiculous laws designed to bail-out your mates, when there are no consequences for you at all.

If this isn't paid though, it's just going to be slapped onto our income tax, which means people like me will be royally ****** over. I don't own a home, so this tax doesn't apply to me, but I know for instance, a friend of mine whos parents are both retired, no pension, but no mortgage, a house worth millions, and savings galore, they're paying jack ****, and I'm forking up 1/5th of what i earn to pay my way through college. In fact, this tax is actually the right direction, meaning people with large savings etc, but very little income are taxed for a change, as opposed to the rest of us who work our asses off, and don't buy houses we can't afford.

Noreen1 · 02-03-2012 6:39pm

Groinshot wrote: »

If this isn't paid though, it's just going to be slapped onto our income tax, which means people like me will be royally ****** over. I don't own a home, so this tax doesn't apply to me, but I know for instance, a friend of mine whos parents are both retired, no pension, but no mortgage, a house worth millions, and savings galore, they're paying jack ****, and I'm forking up 1/5th of what i earn to pay my way through college. In fact, this tax is actually the right direction, meaning people with large savings etc, but very little income are taxed for a change, as opposed to the rest of us who work our asses off, and don't buy houses we can't afford.

If your friends parents have no mortgage, and savings galore, then it seems that they bought a house that they could afford.
I'm sure they also paid thousands in stamp duty - so what exactly is your problem with them?

Mr CJ · 02-03-2012 6:44pm

dvpower wrote: »

Where did you 'read' this? - I can't see it anywhere.

There was a call for them to extend the date for signing up for Direct Debit payment to the end of March, but this was rejected

That must of been it, my mistake

FlyingIrishMan · 02-03-2012 6:46pm

It isn't applicle to me, so it doesn't concern me that much either way.
But 100euro a year does not seem like much, its not a huge amount for one household to pay, but when all the households in Ireland pay this think how much money it will make the country? I think its a good idea really, a small-ish fee for every household per year until we're out of debt.

Seriously I know a large majority of politicians are corrupt as ****, but in the case of money Ireland is ****ed and every single plan anyone in power comes up with to try and fix it ends up with massive protests, and some group of people somewhere complaining.

Pay the tax. It isn't much for a household to pay. And in a few years it will probably be removed when Ireland is out of debt.

mikom · 02-03-2012 6:47pm

Groinshot wrote: »

If this isn't paid though, it's just going to be slapped onto our income tax, which means people like me will be royally ****** over. I don't own a home, so this tax doesn't apply to me, but I know for instance, a friend of mine whos parents are both retired, no pension, but no mortgage, a house worth millions, and savings galore, they're paying jack ****, and I'm forking up 1/5th of what i earn to pay my way through college. In fact, this tax is actually the right direction, meaning people with large savings etc, but very little income are taxed for a change, as opposed to the rest of us who work our asses off, and don't buy houses we can't afford.

Ask those parents how much tax they paid down through the years.
Ask them to tell you about when they paid 50p tax for each pound earned.
They probably paid for your parents collage education with their taxes, and they certainly paid for your primary education.

They bought/built the house and paid tax on it at the time as well.

FlyingIrishMan wrote: »

But 100euro a year does not seem like much, I think its a good idea really, a small-ish fee for every household per year until we're out of debt.
And in a few years it will probably be removed when Ireland is out of debt.

La-La land

Mr CJ · 02-03-2012 6:49pm

dvpower wrote: »

He was on PK this morning and it turns out he's not liable for the charge himself.

Very easy to encourage others to break the law and face the consequences, when there are no consequences for you at all.

This charge will effect everyone either in the future or through family, weather you dont have to pay it or not does not matter, your standing up for what is right for the majority! Fairplay to everyone supporting the campaign who is exempt, at least there not like the other cowards out there looking after number 1 and registering even thou they are exempt! The least they can do is wait till the last minute.

Mr CJ · 02-03-2012 6:52pm

FlyingIrishMan wrote: »

It isn't applicle to me, so it doesn't concern me that much either way.
But 100euro a year does not seem like much, its not a huge amount for one household to pay, but when all the households in Ireland pay this think how much money it will make the country? I think its a good idea really, a small-ish fee for every household per year until we're out of debt.

Seriously I know a large majority of politicians are corrupt as ****, but in the case of money Ireland is ****ed and every single plan anyone in power comes up with to try and fix it ends up with massive protests, and some group of people somewhere complaining.

Pay the tax. It isn't much for a household to pay. And in a few years it will probably be removed when Ireland is out of debt.

Im not going to waste my time with a big reply the only thing I will say.... WAKE UP!!!

Its worrying when you realize how some ppl think out there....

cold sweat · 02-03-2012 6:54pm

no. taxed to the hilt already. anyone that bought a house more than likely have already paid a stamp duty on it. i have and i dont see why i should be taxed a second time for something i own. paying enough to bondholders etc as it is. what are they going to do? jail everyone that wont pay?

ScumLord · 02-03-2012 6:57pm

No, I don't watch TV or read newspapers so I've no idea what any of you are talking about. If this was real I'd assume there'd be some form of official leaflet with grinning gommies inexplicably plastered all over it telling me why it's so great.

Are you going to pay the household charge? [Part 1]

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