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Are you going to pay the household charge? [Part 1]

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,562 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    mikom wrote: »
    Will written to state that transfer of the property does not pass to your spouse or children until 12 years after you die.
    Family stays living in the house for 12 years after you die, biding their time.

    Problem? ;)

    Maybe.


    (3) Where a person who is the sole owner of a residential property
    dies and, at the date of his or her death, a household charge, a late
    payment fee, late payment interest or any part of such charge, fee or
    interest remains unpaid in relation to that property, no further late
    payment fee or late payment interest shall be payable in accordance
    with subsection (1) in relation to that property until a grant of representation
    to the estate of the deceased person issues to the personal
    representative of such deceased person.
    (4) The personal representative of a deceased person shall, as
    soon as a grant of representation to the estate of the deceased person
    issues to him or her, be liable to pay to the relevant local authority
    the full amount due and owing by the deceased, at the date of his or
    her death, in respect of a household charge and related late payment
    fee and late payment interest.
    (5) If the said full amount is paid by the said personal representative
    within 3 months of the date of issue of a grant of representation
    to the estate of the deceased person, he or she shall have no further
    liability in respect of the said household charge and related late payment
    fee and late payment interest due and owing by the deceased
    at the date of his or her death.
    (6) If the said full amount is not paid by the said personal representative
    within 3 months of the date of issue of a grant of representation
    to the estate of the deceased person, he or she shall be
    liable to pay to the relevant local authority, in addition to the said
    full amount, a late payment fee and late payment interest in respect
    of each month or part of a month in which any part of such charge,
    fee or interest remains unpaid from the date of such issue.
    (7) In this section, a reference to “grant of representation” is,
    where 2 or more such grants are issued to the estate of a deceased
    person, a reference to the first of such grants to issue.


    http://www.oireachtas.ie/documents/bills28/bills/2011/7411/b7411s.pdf


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,391 ✭✭✭✭mikom


    Weekend at Bernies 3.

    Let's hope it never gets that far.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,062 ✭✭✭Slick50


    If this tax is defeated now, there will be no attachment to worry about. They cannot attach a debit without a court order. If this tax fails, neither the government or council are going to try and pursue people through the courts for a tax that is defunct.


  • Registered Users Posts: 84 ✭✭socco


    Slick50 wrote: »
    If this tax is defeated now, there will be no attachment to worry about. They cannot attach a debit without a court order. If this tax fails, neither the government or council are going to try and pursue people through the courts for a tax that is defunct.

    if this tax fails how are they going to make up the budget shortfall? (not the entire budget shortfall but the money they'd planned to raise with this which they now won't).


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,062 ✭✭✭Slick50


    socco wrote: »
    if this tax fails how are they going to make up the budget shortfall? (not the entire budget shortfall but the money they'd planned to raise with this which they now won't).

    This has been asked and answered numerous times earlier in this thread, in different ways. That is for the government to figure, this is an unfair and unjust tax, it is up to them to come up with a better, and more acceptable way.


  • Registered Users Posts: 773 ✭✭✭D_murph


    socco wrote: »
    if this tax fails how are they going to make up the budget shortfall? (not the entire budget shortfall but the money they'd planned to raise with this which they now won't).

    That is their problem. Mine is to hang on to my money and that €100 means a lot more to me than it will do for them.

    They have plenty well paid (with our tax money :rolleyes:) advisors who can come up with plan B for them. Let Enda's buddy earn the 35K raise he granted him last year :rolleyes:.


  • Registered Users Posts: 331 ✭✭Mr CJ


    Thumbs up to father priest!!

    http://www.independent.ie/national-news/priest-stands-by-call-for-household-charge-boycott-3037787.html

    I read somewhere also that there may be an extension to the DL this proves that the no people are winning!! The government are desperate... they can FOFF and shove there extension where the sun dont shine we still aint paying!!!!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,183 ✭✭✭dvpower


    Mr CJ wrote: »
    I read somewhere also that there may be an extension to the DL this proves that the no people are winning!! The government are desperate... they can FOFF and shove there extension where the sun dont shine we still aint paying!!!!

    Where did you 'read' this? - I can't see it anywhere.

    There was a call for them to extend the date for signing up for Direct Debit payment to the end of March, but this was rejected

    Phil Hogan has said people who want to pay by direct debit have had plenty of time to do so and everyone else has until the end of March.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,183 ✭✭✭dvpower


    Mr CJ wrote: »

    He was on PK this morning and it turns out he's not liable for the charge himself.

    Very easy to encourage others to break the law and face the consequences, when there are no consequences for you at all.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,704 ✭✭✭squod


    dvpower wrote: »

    Very easy to encourage others to break the law and face the consequences, when there are no consequences for you at all.

    Very easy to introduce ridiculous laws designed to bail-out your mates, when there are no consequences for you at all.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,391 ✭✭✭✭mikom


    Latest campaign news........
    Campaign Against Household and Water Tax- Major National Rally announced.


    In the week that the Government announced that less than 10% have paid
    their hated Household Tax, the Campaign Against the Tax has announced
    a Major Rally to be held in Dublin.

    On Saturday 24th March 2012
    Venue;- National Boxing Stadium (South Circular Road) Dublin 8

    We would ask all supporters of the campaign to keep that date free and
    to strain every muscle to attend the Rally.
    More details of the rally will follow in the next few days.

    The National Steering Committee will meet tomorrow to tie down the
    details in relation to the National Rally .
    The Rally will serve to build up the campaign before the Governments
    deadline on the tax of 31st March.

    The venue will comfortably seat 2000 people and we will need
    indications from all of how many are coming.

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    Helpdesk
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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,042 ✭✭✭Groinshot


    squod wrote: »
    Very easy to introduce ridiculous laws designed to bail-out your mates, when there are no consequences for you at all.

    If this isn't paid though, it's just going to be slapped onto our income tax, which means people like me will be royally ****** over. I don't own a home, so this tax doesn't apply to me, but I know for instance, a friend of mine whos parents are both retired, no pension, but no mortgage, a house worth millions, and savings galore, they're paying jack ****, and I'm forking up 1/5th of what i earn to pay my way through college. In fact, this tax is actually the right direction, meaning people with large savings etc, but very little income are taxed for a change, as opposed to the rest of us who work our asses off, and don't buy houses we can't afford.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,654 ✭✭✭Noreen1


    Groinshot wrote: »
    If this isn't paid though, it's just going to be slapped onto our income tax, which means people like me will be royally ****** over. I don't own a home, so this tax doesn't apply to me, but I know for instance, a friend of mine whos parents are both retired, no pension, but no mortgage, a house worth millions, and savings galore, they're paying jack ****, and I'm forking up 1/5th of what i earn to pay my way through college. In fact, this tax is actually the right direction, meaning people with large savings etc, but very little income are taxed for a change, as opposed to the rest of us who work our asses off, and don't buy houses we can't afford.

    If your friends parents have no mortgage, and savings galore, then it seems that they bought a house that they could afford.
    I'm sure they also paid thousands in stamp duty - so what exactly is your problem with them?


  • Registered Users Posts: 331 ✭✭Mr CJ


    dvpower wrote: »
    Where did you 'read' this? - I can't see it anywhere.

    There was a call for them to extend the date for signing up for Direct Debit payment to the end of March, but this was rejected

    That must of been it, my mistake


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,861 ✭✭✭FlyingIrishMan


    It isn't applicle to me, so it doesn't concern me that much either way.
    But 100euro a year does not seem like much, its not a huge amount for one household to pay, but when all the households in Ireland pay this think how much money it will make the country? I think its a good idea really, a small-ish fee for every household per year until we're out of debt.

    Seriously I know a large majority of politicians are corrupt as ****, but in the case of money Ireland is ****ed and every single plan anyone in power comes up with to try and fix it ends up with massive protests, and some group of people somewhere complaining.

    Pay the tax. It isn't much for a household to pay. And in a few years it will probably be removed when Ireland is out of debt.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,391 ✭✭✭✭mikom


    Groinshot wrote: »
    If this isn't paid though, it's just going to be slapped onto our income tax, which means people like me will be royally ****** over. I don't own a home, so this tax doesn't apply to me, but I know for instance, a friend of mine whos parents are both retired, no pension, but no mortgage, a house worth millions, and savings galore, they're paying jack ****, and I'm forking up 1/5th of what i earn to pay my way through college. In fact, this tax is actually the right direction, meaning people with large savings etc, but very little income are taxed for a change, as opposed to the rest of us who work our asses off, and don't buy houses we can't afford.

    Ask those parents how much tax they paid down through the years.
    Ask them to tell you about when they paid 50p tax for each pound earned.
    They probably paid for your parents collage education with their taxes, and they certainly paid for your primary education.

    They bought/built the house and paid tax on it at the time as well.
    But 100euro a year does not seem like much, I think its a good idea really, a small-ish fee for every household per year until we're out of debt.
    And in a few years it will probably be removed when Ireland is out of debt.

    La-La land


  • Registered Users Posts: 331 ✭✭Mr CJ


    dvpower wrote: »
    He was on PK this morning and it turns out he's not liable for the charge himself.

    Very easy to encourage others to break the law and face the consequences, when there are no consequences for you at all.

    This charge will effect everyone either in the future or through family, weather you dont have to pay it or not does not matter, your standing up for what is right for the majority! Fairplay to everyone supporting the campaign who is exempt, at least there not like the other cowards out there looking after number 1 and registering even thou they are exempt! The least they can do is wait till the last minute.


  • Registered Users Posts: 331 ✭✭Mr CJ


    It isn't applicle to me, so it doesn't concern me that much either way.
    But 100euro a year does not seem like much, its not a huge amount for one household to pay, but when all the households in Ireland pay this think how much money it will make the country? I think its a good idea really, a small-ish fee for every household per year until we're out of debt.

    Seriously I know a large majority of politicians are corrupt as ****, but in the case of money Ireland is ****ed and every single plan anyone in power comes up with to try and fix it ends up with massive protests, and some group of people somewhere complaining.

    Pay the tax. It isn't much for a household to pay. And in a few years it will probably be removed when Ireland is out of debt.

    Im not going to waste my time with a big reply the only thing I will say.... WAKE UP!!!

    Its worrying when you realize how some ppl think out there....


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 388 ✭✭cold sweat


    no. taxed to the hilt already. anyone that bought a house more than likely have already paid a stamp duty on it. i have and i dont see why i should be taxed a second time for something i own. paying enough to bondholders etc as it is. what are they going to do? jail everyone that wont pay?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,789 ✭✭✭✭ScumLord


    No, I don't watch TV or read newspapers so I've no idea what any of you are talking about. If this was real I'd assume there'd be some form of official leaflet with grinning gommies inexplicably plastered all over it telling me why it's so great.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,183 ✭✭✭dvpower


    mikom wrote: »
    Latest campaign news........
    Campaign Against Household and Water Tax- Major National Rally announced.
    A Major National Rally - sounds impressive.
    The venue will comfortably seat 2000 people and we will need
    indications from all of how many are coming.
    2000 person capacity - a damp squib in the making.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 388 ✭✭cold sweat


    Mr CJ wrote: »
    Im not going to waste my time with a big reply the only thing I will say.... WAKE UP!!!

    Its worrying when you realize how some ppl think out there....

    wake up flyingirishman!! it will just increase every year. as for going away, dream on. they said the exact same thing when a levy was put on car insurance to prop up pmpa. pmpa is long gone but the motorist is still paying the levy.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,407 ✭✭✭Cardinal Richelieu


    dvpower wrote: »
    A Major National Rally - sounds impressive.


    2000 person capacity - a damp squib in the making.

    Ruth Coppinger(SP) was on VB the other night saying they had 1000s, Clare Daly struggled to get a 100 protesters at a rally in her constituency recently. I paid up but I am just wondering how many of the posters here actually fall within the charge especially the ones against it!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,183 ✭✭✭dvpower


    Mr CJ wrote: »
    Fairplay to everyone supporting the campaign who is exempt, at least there not like the other cowards out there looking after number 1 and registering even thou they are exempt!
    Insulting people who aren't on your side on this issue and who are just doing what the law requires of them probably isn't going to win over any waverers.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,704 ✭✭✭squod


    Groinshot wrote: »
    If this isn't paid though, it's just going to be slapped onto our income tax, which means people like me will be royally ****** over.

    Look at it another way. Take the counterfeit that was used by the Irish central bank to bail Anglo. Do you want that levied against your wages?

    The IMF are coming to our rescue. Maybe that was due to certain people raising awareness of this issue with them.
    The International Monetary Fund says it is urging the European Union and the European Central Bank to restructure the Anglo Irish Bank promissory notes.
    Mary Lou McDonald has said .....the Government must not pay €3.1bn on the promissory note at the end of the month.
    http://www.rte.ie/news/2012/0302/bailout.html



    This household ''tax'' is stoppable. It will send a message to them. It'll send a message to Europe directly. If income tax rises that'll be a battle for another day. One thing at a time. Keep Ireland's problems in the spotlight and hope others can help us. Best we can do now FF/FG are elected.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 580 ✭✭✭regress


    The charge can be defeated if enough people dont pay. Sadly though most are likely to cave in. We Irish don't really do protest.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,731 ✭✭✭Bullseye1


    socco wrote: »
    if this tax fails how are they going to make up the budget shortfall? (not the entire budget shortfall but the money they'd planned to raise with this which they now won't).

    If there is a shortfall €160 million I'd be amazed. The increase in VAT, the continuing numbers of people leaving the country and people frightened to spend will ensure there will be a more significant shortfall than €160 million this property tax was supposed to bring in.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,704 ✭✭✭squod


    regress wrote: »
    The charge can be defeated if enough people dont pay. Sadly though most are likely to cave in. We Irish don't really do protest.

    The overwhelming majority didn't pay last time. Why do you imagine people will pay it now?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,562 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    [/QUOTE]

    Eamonn O'Cuiv and Martin Ferris on the same platform, interesting. And of course the redoubtable Mattie McGrath. And Joe Higgins appears to have a new found interest in rural sewerage.

    I heard on Radio 1 Drivetime that 183,000 have now paid.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,391 ✭✭✭✭mikom



    I heard on Radio 1 Drivetime that 183,000 have now paid.

    A little over 12%.
    A long way to even 50% compliance.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,562 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    mikom wrote: »
    A little over 12%.
    A long way to even 50% compliance.

    What's your prediction for 31st March?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,391 ✭✭✭✭mikom


    What's your prediction for 31st March?

    Approx 25%.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,017 ✭✭✭The_Thing


    Priest stands by call for household charge boycott:
    A CATHOLIC priest has rejected calls from a senator to end his support for a boycott of the household charge.

    Father Brian O'Fearraigh addressed a public meeting in Gweedore, Co Donegal, last night and urged people not to pay the new €100 charge.

    However, Labour senator Jimmy Harte said the priest was using his position to encourage people to "break the law".

    Fr O'Fearraigh described the new charge as "robbery" and said he would not listen to "any bishop or government" on the issue.

    "I believe this is an unjust law and I am advising people not to pay it. It is wrong," said the priest, who is based at Derrybeg in Gweedore.

    "It is not benefiting the ordinary people. Words must flow and the people's voices must be heard.

    "It's a duty for all priests to stand with their people and show solidarity. I was ordained to serve my community and we must stand by the people and send a strong message to the Government," he said.

    Fr O'Fearraigh admitted he will not have to pay the charge because he lives in rented accommodation but said he wanted all his fellow priests to support his call not to pay.

    However, Mr Harte criticised the priest.

    "I go to Mass to hear religious instruction and not to be told to break the law," he said.

    "If people pick and choose what laws they want to obey then we'll end up with anarchy."

    - Greg Harkin

    Irish Independent


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,007 ✭✭✭Phill Ewinn


    The_Thing wrote: »
    Priest stands by call for household charge boycott:

    I'd go as far as saying it's a sin to pay the household charge.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,391 ✭✭✭✭mikom


    I'd go as far as saying it's a sin to pay the household charge.

    Bless you my child.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,653 ✭✭✭Ghandee


    Here's where your hundred euro is going. (which don't forget will soon be thousands)

    Not too fussed on Vincent Brown tbh, but at least he managed to get this German banker squirming!

    Don't register, don't pay!



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,025 ✭✭✭Am Chile


    I'd go as far as saying it's a sin to pay the household charge.

    Il go further and say if you re going to pay the household charge, you might as well post enda kenny your wages/pay cheque every week and ask how much do you want to take from my wages/pay cheque this week enda.


  • Registered Users Posts: 331 ✭✭Mr CJ


    cold sweat wrote: »
    wake up flyingirishman!! it will just increase every year. as for going away, dream on. they said the exact same thing when a levy was put on car insurance to prop up pmpa. pmpa is long gone but the motorist is still paying the levy.

    Flyingirishman needs to come back down from the clouds...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,422 ✭✭✭✭Bruthal


    It isn't applicle to me, so it doesn't concern me that much either way.
    But 100euro a year does not seem like much, its not a huge amount for one household to pay, but when all the households in Ireland pay this think how much money it will make the country? I think its a good idea really, a small-ish fee for every household per year until we're out of debt.

    Seriously I know a large majority of politicians are corrupt as ****, but in the case of money Ireland is ****ed and every single plan anyone in power comes up with to try and fix it ends up with massive protests, and some group of people somewhere complaining.

    Pay the tax. It isn't much for a household to pay. And in a few years it will probably be removed when Ireland is out of debt.

    You best come down a bit, the hypoxia is affecting you up there.


  • Registered Users Posts: 331 ✭✭Mr CJ


    dvpower wrote: »
    Insulting people who aren't on your side on this issue and who are just doing what the law requires of them probably isn't going to win over any waverers.

    This is not got to do with sides, 5000 people registered for this within the first 2 days of this year, these 5000 people are precisely the reason why our government dont give a **** about the people and look for ways all the time to screw us because there is always the gob****es that do what they say. Instead of saying hang on a minute lets check this out first and asking questions to the government, they just say yes sir how much do you want here is my wallet... these people are cowards say what you want.

    Does anyone know the exact amount we will be charged next year????? Nobody can yet 182,000 ran of and agreed something they have not got a notion about! Coward behaviour stupidity call it what you want...


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,183 ✭✭✭dvpower


    Mr CJ wrote: »
    This is not got to do with sides, 5000 people registered for this within the first 2 days of this year, these 5000 people are precisely the reason why our government dont give a **** about the people and look for ways all the time to screw us because there is always the gob****es the do what they say. Instead of saying hang on a minute lets check this out first and asking questions to the government, they just say yes sir how much do you want here is my wallet... these people are cowards say what you want.

    Does anyone know the exact amount we will be charged next year????? Nobody can yet 182,000 ran of and agreed something they have not got a notion about! Coward behaviour stupidity call it what you want...

    It didn't occur to you that maybe these people think that a property tax is actually a really good idea that ought to be in the mix and that maybe they don't agree with your anlaysis of how we get out of the hole we're in?

    You might disagree with them - and that's fair enough. But you can't help youself from calling them cowardly (and now stupid).
    You must know that calling people stupid doesn't encourage anyone who doesn't already agree with you to listen to anything else you have to say, unless...


  • Registered Users Posts: 331 ✭✭Mr CJ


    dvpower wrote: »
    It didn't occur to you that maybe these people think that a property tax is actually a really good idea that ought to be in the mix and that maybe they don't agree with your anlaysis of how we get out of the hole we're in?

    You might disagree with them - and that's fair enough. But you can't help youself from calling them cowardly (and now stupid).
    You must know that calling people stupid doesn't encourage anyone who doesn't already agree with you to listen to anything else you have to say, unless...

    Anyone thinking this new charge is a good idea needs there head examined for starters, and about your other comments, you know what they say about the truth?? it always hurts!

    To make things clear I want this country to get out of this hole as much as everyone else my business is suffering because of it, but any educated person I have spoke to about this agree that it is the wrong approach, as someone said on this before its like trying to lift yourself using a skipping rope it makes no sense! Go back and check out the posts a few good ideas have been suggested and I believe there is many more.

    If you believe that most of these people registered because they think its a good idea you are being misled, I have read another forum before asking why so many registered at the start and most of the answers were "I just wanted to get it out of the way incase I forgot about it but I didnt like paying" I agree there are a few that think it is genuinly a good idea but these are a very small portion smaller than you might think


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,635 ✭✭✭eth0


    dvpower wrote: »
    It didn't occur to you that maybe these people think that a property tax is actually a really good idea that ought to be in the mix and that maybe they don't agree with your anlaysis of how we get out of the hole we're in?

    You might disagree with them - and that's fair enough. But you can't help youself from calling them cowardly (and now stupid).
    You must know that calling people stupid doesn't encourage anyone who doesn't already agree with you to listen to anything else you have to say, unless...

    Hard to imagine someone would take out a mortgage to buy or build a house, spend 20 or 30 years paying it off and then say "Yeah, I really should be paying the government a few 100e or 1k a year so I can continue to live here"


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,017 ✭✭✭The_Thing


    My Dad died about 7 years ago, but before that I inherited a farmhouse and some land. To this very day I have not changed his name to mine on the ESB bill, so even if the worst comes to the worst and the houshold charge does come in they can't use the name on the bill to get the money :D

    Also this week I had a phone call on Wednesday at work from a woman enquiring about the houshold charge, banker bailout charge, lucky for her she had the wrong number\department, I asked had she looked at the website and she said no and so I gave her the whole don't register, don't pay spiel. She thanked me and hung up :D

    Don't register \ Don't pay \ Fcuk Them.


  • Registered Users Posts: 173 ✭✭Callipo


    Groinshot wrote: »
    If this isn't paid though, it's just going to be slapped onto our income tax, which means people like me will be royally ****** over. I don't own a home, so this tax doesn't apply to me, but I know for instance, a friend of mine whos parents are both retired, no pension, but no mortgage, a house worth millions, and savings galore, they're paying jack ****, and I'm forking up 1/5th of what i earn to pay my way through college. In fact, this tax is actually the right direction, meaning people with large savings etc, but very little income are taxed for a change, as opposed to the rest of us who work our asses off, and don't buy houses we can't afford.

    Income tax is where it should be. Or is tbh.

    It is not paying for having a home but for street lighting and all the other crap/lies.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,562 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    eth0 wrote: »
    Hard to imagine someone would take out a mortgage to buy or build a house, spend 20 or 30 years paying it off and then say "Yeah, I really should be paying the government a few 100e or 1k a year so I can continue to live here"

    Not so hard to imagine really. Name me 5 or 10 countries which do not impose a tax on private property based on some formula connected with it's value and I will name you 100 that do. And this is not some new fangled invention of someones imagination, it has a long history including being in place in this country more years than not.

    Our new version (imposed as part of the current requirements on us as members of the EU) differs this year in that it is a flat rate of €100 but that will be changed in future. The debate around where the money is spent is one of political opinions. I know that the Local Government Fund into which the Household Charge is being placed will not be extra spending for local services. But to argue that the money it is displacing is being set aside to pay for Anglo Irish Bank for instance is just a political opinion and you may as well argue that you won't pay income tax because a lot of it will be used for the same purpose.

    I look forward to a time when taxation and spending will be placed on a proper footing in this country and the property tax could be used to fund local services just like in the North. As far as I am concerned the debate was over as soon as this became law and while "Dont Register, Dont Pay" is a fine slogan that campaign is going nowhere and will only lead to trouble for those who follow it.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,635 ✭✭✭eth0


    Groinshot wrote: »
    If this isn't paid though, it's just going to be slapped onto our income tax, which means people like me will be royally ****** over. I don't own a home, so this tax doesn't apply to me, but I know for instance, a friend of mine whos parents are both retired, no pension, but no mortgage, a house worth millions, and savings galore, they're paying jack ****, and I'm forking up 1/5th of what i earn to pay my way through college. In fact, this tax is actually the right direction, meaning people with large savings etc, but very little income are taxed for a change, as opposed to the rest of us who work our asses off, and don't buy houses we can't afford.

    Ya know for every one of those families there's a good few other families living in a decent size house but have feck all disposable income. Certainly the exception not the rule. If they have no pension then the govt is saving money by not having to pay them one and that will amount to a lot more than some silly property tax.

    This tax is applicable to anyone who uses a permanent structure as their place of residence, whether you own it or not. If you stay put and you are a good tenant you might not see 30-50e per month slapped onto your rent straight away but you won't be able to dodge the resulting rent increase forever.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,183 ✭✭✭dvpower


    eth0 wrote: »
    Hard to imagine someone would take out a mortgage to buy or build a house, spend 20 or 30 years paying it off and then say "Yeah, I really should be paying the government a few 100e or 1k a year so I can continue to live here"
    Where did you get the idea that continuing to live in ones house was contingent on paying the household charge?:confused:

    No wonder you're against it.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,704 ✭✭✭squod


    As far as I am concerned the debate was over as soon as this became law and while "Dont Register, Dont Pay" is a fine slogan that campaign is going nowhere and will only lead to trouble for those who follow it.

    Sour grapes forum
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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,025 ✭✭✭Am Chile


    Not so hard to imagine really.
    I"Dont Register, Dont Pay" is a fine slogan that campaign is going nowhere and will only lead to trouble for those who follow it.

    Going nowhere? you obviously haven,t being paying attention to any of the protests, or any of the big public meetings attended by hundreds over the last few weeks


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